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Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?

PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Vic
Democracy as administered by a committee of appointed bureaucrats? :)

In the US, this kind of "language protection" would be considered nothing short of racism. Shall we force all the immigrant parents to give their children English names? Diego would be forbidden, but James would be okay? Juan would be bad, but John would be okay? Or (in the interests of European liberal socialism) should that be the other way around?

Not to mention how apparently little authority a parent has to raise their own child!

Democracy as in the same type of democracy any other western nation has, i am aware of no nation that does not have laws that their citizens will have to abide by, if you think a law is wrong you can work to change it through democracy, protests and political influence, it is the same everywhere.

How much authority do parents in the US have to raise their own children? Perhaps a bit more because making spanking illegal would be impossible, but there are other laws that protect children from their parents.

One guy on this forum believes he should have the right to whip or kill his children, that is what he says his beliefs require of him if his children should disobey him, now there are countries where he would not be convicted for doing so, does that mean that those countries are more free than the US?

Of course it doesn't, it means that the culture is different, kinda like how the Swedish culture is different from the US culture, if you know what i mean. ;)
 

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Moon Unit Zappa is said to be strongly in favor of the Icelandic model of strict baby name control. She refuses to give a reason why.
 

Czar

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But anyways. If you are an icelandic citizen you are that first and naming your kid with an icelandic name shouldnt be so out of the question?
ah this isnt Iceland and language protection shouldnt ever exist on the individual.

Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland are basicly the same cultures and have very similar laws and motives for those laws.

So to you do you fint it acceptable that people can live in a country for generations without learning the native language or adapting to society?
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?

PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants

Who is racist towards immigrants? Read my post above, ALL countries require immigrants to abide by their laws, that is the way it works, if you cannot accept the laws in a country you are free not to go there, simple as that.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Czar
the US is based around Immigration, Europe and most other countries are not, huge different cultural background that comes into play on what is acceptable and what is not
Which is why Europeans always harp on the US for not allowing enough immigration, or not accomodating our immigrants enough, or not incorporating enough socialism into our society (a fiscal impossibility given our level of immigration, socialism simply cannot pay for itself). Yet the European nations are hypocrites on this subject in every way. Thank you for continuing to enlighten me.

Originally posted by: Smithy
Because I don't fear the society I live in, I don't fear the state. We as free people has chosen that some laws should prevent people from doing things that is considered stupid.
As I said b4 biostud666, you have been conditionded for slavery
Indeed. The freedom to pace back and forth in his cage is good enough for biostud666 it seems.
 

CanOWorms

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First force them to change their names. Then force them to lose their culture/identity. Then bleach their skin!
 
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?

PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants

Who is racist towards immigrants? Read my post above, ALL countries require immigrants to abide by their laws, that is the way it works, if you cannot accept the laws in a country you are free not to go there, simple as that.

Iceland is racist towards immigrants by restricting foreign names, as stated and supported by Czar.

Yes, all countries require immigrants and its citizens to abide by the law. What you are forgetting is that the law can be racist, as in this case with Iceland.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?

PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants

you are? then why are you so much against my culture and just cant accept it?

When people decide to move for example from Mexico to Iceland they are not coming here to make a little mini Mexico, they come here fully knowingly that here is a different culture and you must adapt to that society.
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Smithy
But anyways. If you are an icelandic citizen you are that first and naming your kid with an icelandic name shouldnt be so out of the question?
ah this isnt Iceland and language protection shouldnt ever exist on the individual.

Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland are basicly the same cultures and have very similar laws and motives for those laws.

So to you do you fint it acceptable that people can live in a country for generations without learning the native language or adapting to society?

If they want to live like that, why should you stop them?

You can adapt to society and learn the native language without losing your entire identity.
 
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Who is racist towards immigrants? Read my post above, ALL countries require immigrants to abide by their laws, that is the way it works, if you cannot accept the laws in a country you are free not to go there, simple as that.
Sure, who cares if the immigrant starves. Agree w/rt Iceland, let them do as they wish. They are so far gone already if we see accurate representation here.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?
PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants
you are? then why are you so much against my culture and just cant accept it?

When people decide to move for example from Mexico to Iceland they are not coming here to make a little mini Mexico, they come here fully knowingly that here is a different culture and you must adapt to that society.
And if the US adopted a similar policy, Czar? Forced Mexican immigrants to learn English and take English names?
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?

PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants

you are? then why are you so much against my culture and just cant accept it?

When people decide to move for example from Mexico to Iceland they are not coming here to make a little mini Mexico, they come here fully knowingly that here is a different culture and you must adapt to that society.

I am not against your culture. What have I stated that is against your culture? Nothing. That law is not part of your culture. Or are you now going to say everything about Iceland is about your culture? :roll: It is made to force other people away from their culture.

Mexicans can go to Iceland and adapt to the society while still being of Mexican culture. If Jose moves to Iceland and keeps his name, there is nothing wrong with that. He is still of Mexican descent. Stop discriminating against him.

Why are you against other people's culture? Why are you openly supporting racist policies?
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?

PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants

Who is racist towards immigrants? Read my post above, ALL countries require immigrants to abide by their laws, that is the way it works, if you cannot accept the laws in a country you are free not to go there, simple as that.

Iceland is racist towards immigrants by restricting foreign names, as stated and supported by Czar.

Yes, all countries require immigrants and its citizens to abide by the law. What you are forgetting is that the law can be racist, as in this case with Iceland.

It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?

PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants

Who is racist towards immigrants? Read my post above, ALL countries require immigrants to abide by their laws, that is the way it works, if you cannot accept the laws in a country you are free not to go there, simple as that.

Iceland is racist towards immigrants by restricting foreign names, as stated and supported by Czar.

Yes, all countries require immigrants and its citizens to abide by the law. What you are forgetting is that the law can be racist, as in this case with Iceland.

I should probably read more carefully, If Iceland forces immigrants to change their names then yes, that is racist.

I grew up in Finland and my best friend at the time had a Greek name that was almost impossible to pronounce in Finnish so i know that immigrants are not required to change their name there, not in Sweden or Denmark either.

And not in Iceland either it seems. So i guess that discussion is over.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I am not against your culture. What have I stated that is against your culture? Nothing. That law is not part of your culture.

:thumbsup:
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.

Yes, it is racist. You can be an Icelandic citizen and Icelandic, but be of Mexican heritage or descent. There is nothing wrong with keeping your identity or parts of your culture.
 
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?
PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants
you are? then why are you so much against my culture and just cant accept it?

When people decide to move for example from Mexico to Iceland they are not coming here to make a little mini Mexico, they come here fully knowingly that here is a different culture and you must adapt to that society.
And if the US adopted a similar policy, Czar? Forced Mexican immigrants to learn English and take English names?

He would probably go crazy about it. And he would be completely justified in doing so. However, he apparently lives in a country full of hate and discrimination...and fully supports it.
 

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Originally posted by: Czar
zebo,
ok, for example, some people have a kid, they name in Communist Boy, how do you think it would effect his life do you think?
the effect that it has, has nothing to do with freedoms that other countries take from their populations because 'government knows best'.
The laws are there to protect the children, it is also illegal to spank your children for the same reason, how this has anything to do with Nazi Germany i don't know but maybe you could elaborate?
so spanking is never a good idea?

you live under a tyrannical government and you don't even know it.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Smithy
But anyways. If you are an icelandic citizen you are that first and naming your kid with an icelandic name shouldnt be so out of the question?
ah this isnt Iceland and language protection shouldnt ever exist on the individual.

Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland are basicly the same cultures and have very similar laws and motives for those laws.

So to you do you fint it acceptable that people can live in a country for generations without learning the native language or adapting to society?

If they want to live like that, why should you stop them?

You can adapt to society and learn the native language without losing your entire identity.
you wont loose your background, there are plenty of people here living happily who migrated, they have their own culture ofcorse but they are also icelandic. I work with a guy who is from Poland called Stanislaw and he still has that name. He has a kid who I think was born here dont remember if the boy has an icelandic name or a polish name but he still has the family name.

 
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Originally posted by: Czar
you wont loose your background, there are plenty of people here living happily who migrated, they have their own culture ofcorse but they are also icelandic. I work with a guy who is from Poland called Stanislaw and he still has that name. He has a kid who I think was born here dont remember if the boy has an icelandic name or a polish name but he still has the family name.

Oh thank god they let them keep their last name. Do they also bleach their skin and their hair? :disgust:

You have shown the fundamental difference that I believe that separates Europeans and Americans/Canadians. You want immigrants to be exactly like you. You view any retention of culture as 'wrong'. You are willing to go towards racist measures to keep out as much outside culture as you can.

You don't even deserve your sig.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?
PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants
you are? then why are you so much against my culture and just cant accept it?

When people decide to move for example from Mexico to Iceland they are not coming here to make a little mini Mexico, they come here fully knowingly that here is a different culture and you must adapt to that society.
And if the US adopted a similar policy, Czar? Forced Mexican immigrants to learn English and take English names?

like I have said so many times before, the US has a different cultural background, but I dont see anything against people to take an english language test before they become a US citizen, but I think its gone too far because it is acceptable in the US to not know english.
 

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All the bolded names are not Danish, so all you talking about racism and slavery clearly have no idea what you're talking about. People are allowed to call their children what tehy like beside, car brands, diseases cartoon figures etc. If the name is not on the list they can apply for it and if it seems reasonable they get the name.
 

Klixxer

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Remember that the family name (which you have from heritage) does not need to change, the law only applies to first names.
 
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Originally posted by: biostud666
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All the bolded names are not Danish, so all you talking about racism and slavery clearly have no idea what you're talking about. People are allowed to call their children what tehy like beside, car brands, diseases cartoon figures etc. If the name is not on the list they can apply for it and if it seems reasonable they get the name.

We've basically moved from Danish name laws to the extreme racist tactics of Iceland that Czar openly supports and tries to justify.