Government Intervenes with naming of child...WTF?

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: biostud666
Mac,Mack, Mads, Magal, Magne, Magni, Magnus, Mahmoud, Mahmud, Majid, Maks, Malakias, Malcolm, Malte, Malthe, Manderup, Mandrup, Manfred, Manly, Manne, Manneke, Mannfred, Manuel, Mar, Marc, Marcel, Marcelius, Marcell, Marcello, Marchel, Marck, Marco, Marcos, Marcus, Mariano, Marinus, Mario, Marius, Mark, Markild, Marko, Markus, Markvar, Markvard, Marni, Marno, Marthen, Marthin, Marthinus, Marti, Martin, Martinez, Martinius, Martinus, Martti, Marty, Marvin, Marx, Mass, Massimo, Matfus, Mathfus, Mathias, Mathies, Mathinus, Mathis, Matias, Matis, Mats, Matt, Matthes, Matthew, Matthfus, Matthias, Matthies, Matthis, Matthæus, Matti, Mattias, Mattis, Matts, Mattæus, Matæus, Mauri, Maurice, Maurits, Mauritz, Max, Maxim, Maxime, Maximilian, Maximillian, Meck, Meik, Meikey, Meiner, Meinert, Meinhard, Meino, Meir, Mejner, Mejnert, Melchior, Melkior, Melvin, Meno, Merlan, Micael, Micas, Mich, Michael, Michaell, Michal, Michel, Michell, Michlas, Mick, Mickei, Mickey, Micki, Micklas, Micky, Mico, Miguel, Mihail, Mik, Mikael, Mikal, Mike, Mikelis, Mikey, Miki, Mikk, Mikkel, Mikki, Mikko, Mikllas, Miklos, Milan, Milius, Millo, Milo, Milos, Milter, Milton, Mingo, Minik, Mirko, Miro, Mitchell, Mogens, Mohamed, Molte, Momme, Monne, Monty, Morgan, Morits, Moritz, Morten, Morthen, Mortimer, Morton, Moses, Mourids, Mourits, Mouritz, Moust, Muhammad, Mylius, Mårten.

All the bolded names are not Danish, so all you talking about racism and slavery clearly have no idea what you're talking about. People are allowed to call their children what tehy like beside, car brands, diseases cartoon figures etc. If the name is not on the list they can apply for it and if it seems reasonable they get the name.

We're refering to Iceland's horrible naming policy when the term racist is brought up.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Remember that the family name (which you have from heritage) does not need to change, the law only applies to first names.

And remember that still doesn't make it OK.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?

PATHETIC.

I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants

you are? then why are you so much against my culture and just cant accept it?

When people decide to move for example from Mexico to Iceland they are not coming here to make a little mini Mexico, they come here fully knowingly that here is a different culture and you must adapt to that society.

I am not against your culture. What have I stated that is against your culture? Nothing. That law is not part of your culture. Or are you now going to say everything about Iceland is about your culture? :roll: It is made to force other people away from their culture.

Mexicans can go to Iceland and adapt to the society while still being of Mexican culture. If Jose moves to Iceland and keeps his name, there is nothing wrong with that. He is still of Mexican descent. Stop discriminating against him.

Why are you against other people's culture? Why are you openly supporting racist policies?

The law is part of my culture, highly valuing the Icelandic language is a part of my culture. What you are basicly saying that my culture of trying to salvage my language is offensive to you.

Jose can move to Iceland, he will ofcorse have a Mexican background and be more mexican than any native here. But he would have to work here, he would have to send his kids to school here and he has to adapt. First generations of immigrants are usualy slow to adapt and there is nothing wrong with that, the second generation probably looks at itself as half mexican and half icelandic and slowly regardless of the cultural background you look at yourself as icelandic first.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
you wont loose your background, there are plenty of people here living happily who migrated, they have their own culture ofcorse but they are also icelandic. I work with a guy who is from Poland called Stanislaw and he still has that name. He has a kid who I think was born here dont remember if the boy has an icelandic name or a polish name but he still has the family name.

Oh thank god they let them keep their last name. Do they also bleach their skin and their hair? :disgust:

You have shown the fundamental difference that I believe that separates Europeans and Americans/Canadians. You want immigrants to be exactly like you. You view any retention of culture as 'wrong'. You are willing to go towards racist measures to keep out as much outside culture as you can.

You don't even deserve your sig.

You are SEVERLY overreacting.

Why won't you let fundamentalist Muslims stone women and children? Are you so against their culture? What is next? Concentration camps? It is just as ridiculous as your little speach about bleaching skin and hair.

 

[imported_Smithy]

Originally posted by: biostud666
All the bolded names are not Danish, so all you talking about racism and slavery clearly have no idea what you're talking about. People are allowed to call their children what tehy like beside, car brands, diseases cartoon figures etc. If the name is not on the list they can apply for it and if it seems reasonable they get the name.

You're like a brick wall, no light shines through. It is clearly wrong for the state to regulate naming of a child.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Remember that the family name (which you have from heritage) does not need to change, the law only applies to first names.

And remember that still doesn't make it OK.

not ok to you maybe but ok to me
that is a cultural difference

if we want another example you just have to look at what acceptable prison policies are in iceland and the US, wastly different

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
The law is part of my culture, highly valuing the Icelandic language is a part of my culture. What you are basicly saying that my culture of trying to salvage my language is offensive to you.

How is that law part of your culture? Are you trying to tell me that this racist law has been celebrated in Iceland for a damn long time? It is ingrained into your daily lifestyle? No. That's just BS to justify racism.

Having a next door neighbor named 'Jose' does not destroy your language. Only a racist would come up with such a crazy notion. You can have mandatory language tests or what not. However, you should force people to be exactly like you just because it makes you feel 'safe'. What is next? Are you going to make all immigrants bleach their skin and hair to preserve your culture? What other racist measures are you willing to take?

Jose can move to Iceland, he will ofcorse have a Mexican background and be more mexican than any native here. But he would have to work here, he would have to send his kids to school here and he has to adapt. First generations of immigrants are usualy slow to adapt and there is nothing wrong with that, the second generation probably looks at itself as half mexican and half icelandic and slowly regardless of the cultural background you look at yourself as icelandic first.

You can be Icelandic without changing your name. You can be Icelandic of Mexican descent with a name of Jose. There is nothing wrong with soemoen from Iceland named Jose.

Justify your racism all you want. All it does is make you less a perfect symbol of what your sig is describing.

 

[Czar]

and since we are on the list of allowed names, here is a list of icelandic boys names that are allowed
http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...r=on&Samthykkt=yes

and here are a few that are not of icelandic origin (that I know of at least)
Abel, Abraham, Adolf, Adrían, Alfons, Allan, Anders, Ares, and so on and on just have a look at it yourself

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
You are SEVERLY overreacting.

Why won't you let fundamentalist Muslims stone women and children? Are you so against their culture? What is next? Concentration camps? It is just as ridiculous as your little speach about bleaching skin and hair.

There is a pretty damn big difference between stoning women and children and keeping your name and part of your original heritage, which has no adverse effects on anyone.

A racist name law is not part of any culture.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
you wont loose your background, there are plenty of people here living happily who migrated, they have their own culture ofcorse but they are also icelandic. I work with a guy who is from Poland called Stanislaw and he still has that name. He has a kid who I think was born here dont remember if the boy has an icelandic name or a polish name but he still has the family name.

Oh thank god they let them keep their last name. Do they also bleach their skin and their hair? :disgust:

You have shown the fundamental difference that I believe that separates Europeans and Americans/Canadians. You want immigrants to be exactly like you. You view any retention of culture as 'wrong'. You are willing to go towards racist measures to keep out as much outside culture as you can.

You don't even deserve your sig.

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, you have apperently not got the faintest idea of how Europe work. With that said I still think we should be far better in mixing our cultures. Like US most european countries define themself as National states, and we like our nations and our culture much. But many feel that our culture is threatened, because of the internationalism (I don't). You must remember that we're only a few million danes while there's 250 mio americans, and your culture is the most promoted in the world. Personally I don't think that we're threatened, but I still think it's a good idea to have our government intervene in some things you don't.

 

[CanOWorms]

I find it hilarious that people are saying that a racist law is part of their culture and saying that since you're opposed to a racist law, then you're against a culture. Even more hilarious is how people are comparing this to something such as stoning people to death!

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Smithy

Originally posted by: biostud666
All the bolded names are not Danish, so all you talking about racism and slavery clearly have no idea what you're talking about. People are allowed to call their children what tehy like beside, car brands, diseases cartoon figures etc. If the name is not on the list they can apply for it and if it seems reasonable they get the name.

You're like a brick wall, no light shines through. It is clearly wrong for the state to regulate naming of a child.

That's not clear. We just have different views on what's right and wrong.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
not ok to you maybe but ok to me
that is a cultural difference

if we want another example you just have to look at what acceptable prison policies are in iceland and the US, wastly different

It should not be OK to anybody. Forcing people to lose a part of their heritage is atrocious and would only be supported by RACISTS.

Here is the fundamental difference between you and I. You seem to think that whatever happens in Iceland is OK while whatever happens in the US is OK. I'm not sure what the police policies are in each country, but the policies in the US can be wrong or bad when compared to Iceland.

How brainwashed do you have to be to support racism?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
The law is part of my culture, highly valuing the Icelandic language is a part of my culture. What you are basicly saying that my culture of trying to salvage my language is offensive to you.

How is that law part of your culture? Are you trying to tell me that this racist law has been celebrated in Iceland for a damn long time? It is ingrained into your daily lifestyle? No. That's just BS to justify racism.

Having a next door neighbor named 'Jose' does not destroy your language. Only a racist would come up with such a crazy notion. You can have mandatory language tests or what not. However, you should force people to be exactly like you just because it makes you feel 'safe'. What is next? Are you going to make all immigrants bleach their skin and hair to preserve your culture? What other racist measures are you willing to take?

Jose can move to Iceland, he will ofcorse have a Mexican background and be more mexican than any native here. But he would have to work here, he would have to send his kids to school here and he has to adapt. First generations of immigrants are usualy slow to adapt and there is nothing wrong with that, the second generation probably looks at itself as half mexican and half icelandic and slowly regardless of the cultural background you look at yourself as icelandic first.

You can be Icelandic without changing your name. You can be Icelandic of Mexican descent with a name of Jose. There is nothing wrong with soemoen from Iceland named Jose.

Justify your racism all you want. All it does is make you less a perfect symbol of what your sig is describing.

you have no idea how hard it is to salvage this language with all the cultural influence that is coming right now and you couldnt belive how vastly different my generation speaks and uses english slang compared to my parents. It is maybe a loosing battle but it is worth doing.

And no one is talking about forcing people to change their names. It does only apply to newborns. If you want to call your kid Jose then you just have to apply for it, no idea if it would be accepted or not, most likely will if you have a mexican background.

And like I have said before most of the names on the list are names with different spelling, which is just utterly pointless to have.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer
You are SEVERLY overreacting.

Why won't you let fundamentalist Muslims stone women and children? Are you so against their culture? What is next? Concentration camps? It is just as ridiculous as your little speach about bleaching skin and hair.

There is a pretty damn big difference between stoning women and children and keeping your name and part of your original heritage, which has no adverse effects on anyone.

A racist name law is not part of any culture.

Superman is nowhere a part of original heritage.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: biostud666
You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, you have apperently not got the faintest idea of how Europe work. With that said I still think we should be far better in mixing our cultures. Like US most european countries define themself as National states, and we like our nations and our culture much. But many feel that our culture is threatened, because of the internationalism (I don't). You must remember that we're only a few million danes while there's 250 mio americans, and your culture is the most promoted in the world. Personally I don't think that we're threatened, but I still think it's a good idea to have our government intervene in some things you don't.

Yes, these governments are willing to go through racist means to try to preserve any aspect of their culture and perceive all immigrants as threats. This is disgusting. You even said it yourself. Thanks.

The sad thing is that as you said, there are only a few million Danes..and they complain about an extremely small minority of immigrants. I find it hilarious when these countries act 'crazy' when 2-3% of a certain minority group exists in their country. Oh no!

 

[imported_Smithy]

Support your political party Czar. When it comes down to it this naming law is an encroachment to your liberty. You should be outraged since as you said, you keep your last name which preserves your heritage. Therefore, it follows that mandating first names isnt nessisary to preserve your herritage.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer
You are SEVERLY overreacting.

Why won't you let fundamentalist Muslims stone women and children? Are you so against their culture? What is next? Concentration camps? It is just as ridiculous as your little speach about bleaching skin and hair.

There is a pretty damn big difference between stoning women and children and keeping your name and part of your original heritage, which has no adverse effects on anyone.

A racist name law is not part of any culture.

Superman is nowhere a part of original heritage.

So?

Thanks for saying something that has almost no relevance to this topic.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I find it hilarious that people are saying that a racist law is part of their culture and saying that since you're opposed to a racist law, then you're against a culture. Even more hilarious is how people are comparing this to something such as stoning people to death!

What you apperently can't grasp is that no-one and I mean NO-ONE whatsoever find it racist. Beeing denied to call your child superman isn't racism.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
you have no idea how hard it is to salvage this language with all the cultural influence that is coming right now and you couldnt belive how vastly different my generation speaks and uses english slang compared to my parents. It is maybe a loosing battle but it is worth doing.

Well now Czar..I guess you have to justify being a racist somehow!

And no one is talking about forcing people to change their names. It does only apply to newborns. If you want to call your kid Jose then you just have to apply for it, no idea if it would be accepted or not, most likely will if you have a mexican background.

You are forcing them to abandon their heritage. I guess only Czar can have Czar Jr., not Jose.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: biostud666
You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, you have apperently not got the faintest idea of how Europe work. With that said I still think we should be far better in mixing our cultures. Like US most european countries define themself as National states, and we like our nations and our culture much. But many feel that our culture is threatened, because of the internationalism (I don't). You must remember that we're only a few million danes while there's 250 mio americans, and your culture is the most promoted in the world. Personally I don't think that we're threatened, but I still think it's a good idea to have our government intervene in some things you don't.

Yes, these governments are willing to go through racist means to try to preserve any aspect of their culture and perceive all immigrants as threats. This is disgusting. You even said it yourself. Thanks.

The sad thing is that as you said, there are only a few million Danes..and they complain about an extremely small minority of immigrants. I find it hilarious when these countries act 'crazy' when 2-3% of a certain minority group exists in their country. Oh no!

It's not a new law it's been around for a really long time, so since it's only a problem for 2-3 people a year there's really no reason to change it.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I find it hilarious that people are saying that a racist law is part of their culture and saying that since you're opposed to a racist law, then you're against a culture. Even more hilarious is how people are comparing this to something such as stoning people to death!

What you apperently can't grasp is that no-one and I mean NO-ONE whatsoever find it racist. Beeing denied to call your child superman isn't racism.

WTF are you talking about? I'm talking about Iceland's racist rules. This Superman incident happened in Sweden. I disagree with Sweden's child name restrictions since I suspect it can be open to a lot of abuse against minorities (as I stated, Kurds were prevented from using their names in Europe), but their policy isn't racist if it's just meant to prevent children from having offensive or 'stupid' names.

 

[imported_Smithy]

What you apperently can't grasp is that no-one and I mean NO-ONE whatsoever find it racist. Beeing denied to call your child superman isn't racism.

No one is saying that.
First the names then the armbands. It's incrimentalism

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer
You are SEVERLY overreacting.

Why won't you let fundamentalist Muslims stone women and children? Are you so against their culture? What is next? Concentration camps? It is just as ridiculous as your little speach about bleaching skin and hair.

There is a pretty damn big difference between stoning women and children and keeping your name and part of your original heritage, which has no adverse effects on anyone.

A racist name law is not part of any culture.

For you it is a big difference, but for the people who believe that that is what their God require them to do it is horrendous that they have to give up part of their religion.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
not ok to you maybe but ok to me
that is a cultural difference

if we want another example you just have to look at what acceptable prison policies are in iceland and the US, wastly different

It should not be OK to anybody. Forcing people to lose a part of their heritage is atrocious and would only be supported by RACISTS.

Here is the fundamental difference between you and I. You seem to think that whatever happens in Iceland is OK while whatever happens in the US is OK. I'm not sure what the police policies are in each country, but the policies in the US can be wrong or bad when compared to Iceland.

How brainwashed do you have to be to support racism?

No one is forced to leave their culture, I'm just stating a fact, it happens, people slowly loose their background and just blend in with the people.

There are some things that I have just accepted for example gun ownership. Because of the cultural background of Iceland allowing everyone to buy assault weapons is just unthinkable because guns here are at most used for hunting and target practicing as a sport ( not in your back yard firing at cans but at a real firing range, sortof thing you can compete at the olympics ).

When I first joined the forum I was very much against guns because I thought my cultural viewpoint was right and less guns per person in the US would be better. But I have learned that that change is just pointless because gun ownership is a part of the US culture and if anyone here in iceland speaks for more gun control in the US I try to remind them that the its way more complex because of cultural backgrounds.

So it took me quite some time reading a US based forum to accept the US culture on gun ownership while just tonight reading my posts and the little bit of information you think you have learned everything there is to know about European culture when it comes to protecting that european culture.