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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Smithy
What you apperently can't grasp is that no-one and I mean NO-ONE whatsoever find it racist. Beeing denied to call your child superman isn't racism.
No one is saying that.
First the names then the armbands. It's incrimentalism

No. First it's the names. Then it's going to be culture and background. Then it's going to be bleaching the skin. Then it will be the armbands since their skin will be bleached, you need a way to identify them!
 
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Originally posted by: biostud666
It's not a new law it's been around for a really long time, so since it's only a problem for 2-3 people a year there's really no reason to change it.

Wow, are you really this brainwashed?

Hey, I have an idea. How about every 14 year old boy named John that is born in September and is under the height of 6 feet becomes a slave. It would only be a problem for a few people a year and there would be no reason to change it. :roll:

Here's a crazy thought. Anything racist has a reason to be changed.
 

biostud

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Smithy
What you apperently can't grasp is that no-one and I mean NO-ONE whatsoever find it racist. Beeing denied to call your child superman isn't racism.
No one is saying that.
First the names then the armbands. It's incrimentalism

Yes we all know that Hitler's mom beeing denied to call him Betty Boop, led directly to the Nazi Regime.
 

Czar

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
you have no idea how hard it is to salvage this language with all the cultural influence that is coming right now and you couldnt belive how vastly different my generation speaks and uses english slang compared to my parents. It is maybe a loosing battle but it is worth doing.

Well now Czar..I guess you have to justify being a racist somehow!

And no one is talking about forcing people to change their names. It does only apply to newborns. If you want to call your kid Jose then you just have to apply for it, no idea if it would be accepted or not, most likely will if you have a mexican background.

You are forcing them to abandon their heritage. I guess only Czar can have Czar Jr., not Jose.

Like I said there Jose would most likely be accepted and it would come as a surprise if it wouldnt be accepted.

The fact is that even if you try to keep your own cultural background it goes away in a few generations. This is not something that people want to happen or try to force it is something that just happens and we cant stop it no matter where you immigrate to.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Smithy
What you apperently can't grasp is that no-one and I mean NO-ONE whatsoever find it racist. Beeing denied to call your child superman isn't racism.
No one is saying that.
First the names then the armbands. It's incrimentalism

If there has been no change in the law for this long, i sincerly doubt there ever will be, many countries are moving away from beurocracy and governmental control while the US is increasing it.

In some areas you have already passed most of Europe in that area, i would worry about the new laws that restrict freedom instead of laws that have been around for a very long time and are getting more lax every year.
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
No one is forced to leave their culture, I'm just stating a fact, it happens, people slowly loose their background and just blend in with the people.

Forcing people to not have their cultural first names forces them to abandon their culture and heritage. It is without a doubt a racist policy.

Cultures don't necessarily go away after a couple of generations.

What you are basically suggesting is extermination of entire heritages and culture.

There are some things that I have just accepted for example gun ownership. Because of the cultural background of Iceland allowing everyone to buy assault weapons is just unthinkable because guns here are at most used for hunting and target practicing as a sport ( not in your back yard firing at cans but at a real firing range, sortof thing you can compete at the olympics ).

When I first joined the forum I was very much against guns because I thought my cultural viewpoint was right and less guns per person in the US would be better. But I have learned that that change is just pointless because gun ownership is a part of the US culture and if anyone here in iceland speaks for more gun control in the US I try to remind them that the its way more complex because of cultural backgrounds.

Well now...comparing RACISM to gun ownership. How great....

So it took me quite some time reading a US based forum to accept the US culture on gun ownership while just tonight reading my posts and the little bit of information you think you have learned everything there is to know about European culture when it comes to protecting that european culture.

You see I am not willing to be a RACIST to protect gun ownership.
 
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Originally posted by: biostud666
Yes we all know that Hitler's mom beeing denied to call him Betty Boop, led directly to the Nazi Regime.
Ah you know of this too.

I still say Czar argument for heritage preservation is bs by his own admition of last names preserving immigrant heritage.
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
you have no idea how hard it is to salvage this language with all the cultural influence that is coming right now and you couldnt belive how vastly different my generation speaks and uses english slang compared to my parents. It is maybe a loosing battle but it is worth doing.

Well now Czar..I guess you have to justify being a racist somehow!

And no one is talking about forcing people to change their names. It does only apply to newborns. If you want to call your kid Jose then you just have to apply for it, no idea if it would be accepted or not, most likely will if you have a mexican background.

You are forcing them to abandon their heritage. I guess only Czar can have Czar Jr., not Jose.

Like I said there Jose would most likely be accepted and it would come as a surprise if it wouldnt be accepted.

The fact is that even if you try to keep your own cultural background it goes away in a few generations. This is not something that people want to happen or try to force it is something that just happens and we cant stop it no matter where you immigrate to.

No it does not. Your cultural background and heritage does not instantly vanish in a vew generations. It continues in many circumstances, even with your racist attacks against immigrants.

Jose should not be on any restrictive list - period. Placing foreign names on restrictive lists and supporting them as you have done is racist.
 
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
If there has been no change in the law for this long, i sincerly doubt there ever will be, many countries are moving away from beurocracy and governmental control while the US is increasing it.

In some areas you have already passed most of Europe in that area, i would worry about the new laws that restrict freedom instead of laws that have been around for a very long time and are getting more lax every year.[/quote]

Actually after 9/11 certain European has enacted restrictive laws. Religious profiling is upheld, etc. Many countries have equal or much more restrictive Patriot Act laws. Even Canada has its own version.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
If there has been no change in the law for this long, i sincerly doubt there ever will be, many countries are moving away from beurocracy and governmental control while the US is increasing it.

In some areas you have already passed most of Europe in that area, i would worry about the new laws that restrict freedom instead of laws that have been around for a very long time and are getting more lax every year.

Actually after 9/11 Europe has enacted the more restrictive laws. Religious profiling is upheld, etc. Many countries have equal or much more restrictive Patriot Act laws. Even Canada has its own version.
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They are too busy criticizing the US to realize that their own countries have been passing the most restrictive and criticized post 9/11 laws. It really amazes me how this is easily forgotten.
 

Czar

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
No one is forced to leave their culture, I'm just stating a fact, it happens, people slowly loose their background and just blend in with the people.

Forcing people to not have their cultural first names forces them to abandon their culture and heritage. It is without a doubt a racist policy.

Cultures don't necessarily go away after a couple of generations.

What you are basically suggesting is extermination of entire heritages and culture.

There are some things that I have just accepted for example gun ownership. Because of the cultural background of Iceland allowing everyone to buy assault weapons is just unthinkable because guns here are at most used for hunting and target practicing as a sport ( not in your back yard firing at cans but at a real firing range, sortof thing you can compete at the olympics ).

When I first joined the forum I was very much against guns because I thought my cultural viewpoint was right and less guns per person in the US would be better. But I have learned that that change is just pointless because gun ownership is a part of the US culture and if anyone here in iceland speaks for more gun control in the US I try to remind them that the its way more complex because of cultural backgrounds.

Well now...comparing RACISM to gun ownership. How great....

So it took me quite some time reading a US based forum to accept the US culture on gun ownership while just tonight reading my posts and the little bit of information you think you have learned everything there is to know about European culture when it comes to protecting that european culture.

You see I am not willing to be a RACIST to protect gun ownership.

Do you think that if 1 mexican family moved into a society of 1000 icelandic families that this mexican family will still be considered mexican after 2 generations? After all that mexican family has lets say 2 kids and I doubt they will be procreating by themselves so they have an icelandic mate and end up with 4 kids who will have one mexican parent and once icelandic one. The kids go ofcorse to icelandic schools and have icelandic friends. Then it goes on that a kid with one mexican grand parent and three icelandic grand parents will probably not come even close to think of himself as a mexican first and an icelander second.
This happens no matter what you do.

And please try to understand that the gun ownership talk was not there to make it seem equal only to realy try to make you understand how different cultures react to other cultures, and when you can accept that you realy are tolerant to other cultures and dont discriminate against them anymore. Truly hope you can learn that someday.

 

Klixxer

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Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
No one is forced to leave their culture, I'm just stating a fact, it happens, people slowly loose their background and just blend in with the people.

Forcing people to not have their cultural first names forces them to abandon their culture and heritage. It is without a doubt a racist policy.

Cultures don't necessarily go away after a couple of generations.

What you are basically suggesting is extermination of entire heritages and culture.

There are some things that I have just accepted for example gun ownership. Because of the cultural background of Iceland allowing everyone to buy assault weapons is just unthinkable because guns here are at most used for hunting and target practicing as a sport ( not in your back yard firing at cans but at a real firing range, sortof thing you can compete at the olympics ).

When I first joined the forum I was very much against guns because I thought my cultural viewpoint was right and less guns per person in the US would be better. But I have learned that that change is just pointless because gun ownership is a part of the US culture and if anyone here in iceland speaks for more gun control in the US I try to remind them that the its way more complex because of cultural backgrounds.

Well now...comparing RACISM to gun ownership. How great....

So it took me quite some time reading a US based forum to accept the US culture on gun ownership while just tonight reading my posts and the little bit of information you think you have learned everything there is to know about European culture when it comes to protecting that european culture.

You see I am not willing to be a RACIST to protect gun ownership.

Cultural differences is what the entire issue is about.

What Czar is trying to point out to you is that you do not understand the Icelandic culture and that is why you react the way you do.
 

biostud

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: biostud666
It's not a new law it's been around for a really long time, so since it's only a problem for 2-3 people a year there's really no reason to change it.

Wow, are you really this brainwashed?

Hey, I have an idea. How about every 14 year old boy named John that is born in September and is under the height of 6 feet becomes a slave. It would only be a problem for a few people a year and there would be no reason to change it. :roll:

Here's a crazy thought. Anything racist has a reason to be changed.

Here's a crazy thought maybe you should try understand that doing things different from the US style isn't necesarily racism, facism or communism.

I gave a very good example: a "white" dane tried to call her son Christophpher which was denied because of the stupid spelling, and she could rename her child with a proper spelling. Now, the law is equal to all "races" and if you'd do me the favor to browse through the list I put up, you will find lot of Muslim names. So the law is not to prevent cultures from keeping their roots, but from keeping people from spelling the names stupid and call ther children different brand names. I can't really se why something that's no problem is equalized to nazism. Theoretically it might be a problem, but in real life it isn't. It might be in US but is not over here.
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Czar
Do you think that if 1 mexican family moved into a society of 1000 icelandic families that this mexican family will still be considered mexican after 2 generations?

They could be considered Icelandic of Mexican descent and heritage. If they want to be known like this, then there is nothing wrong. Stop trying to exterminate them. Let them have the choice.

After all that mexican family has lets say 2 kids and I doubt they will be procreating by themselves so they have an icelandic mate and end up with 4 kids who will have one mexican parent and once icelandic one. The kids go ofcorse to icelandic schools and have icelandic friends. Then it goes on that a kid with one mexican grand parent and three icelandic grand parents will probably not come even close to think of himself as a mexican first and an icelander second.
This happens no matter what you do.

That's nice. How about if they only marry people of Mexican descent? Oops, too bad!

And please try to understand that the gun ownership talk was not there to make it seem equal only to realy try to make you understand how different cultures react to other cultures, and when you can accept that you realy are tolerant to other cultures and dont discriminate against them anymore. Truly hope you can learn that someday.

Your culture is not based on stripping people of their culture and heritage.

I truly hope that you can understand that cultures can co-exist with each other. If your neighbor is named Jose, he is not planning on killing you. He is not planning on taking over Iceland.

I truly hope that you can understand that it is not ok to be a racist.
 

Czar

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
you have no idea how hard it is to salvage this language with all the cultural influence that is coming right now and you couldnt belive how vastly different my generation speaks and uses english slang compared to my parents. It is maybe a loosing battle but it is worth doing.

Well now Czar..I guess you have to justify being a racist somehow!

And no one is talking about forcing people to change their names. It does only apply to newborns. If you want to call your kid Jose then you just have to apply for it, no idea if it would be accepted or not, most likely will if you have a mexican background.

You are forcing them to abandon their heritage. I guess only Czar can have Czar Jr., not Jose.

Like I said there Jose would most likely be accepted and it would come as a surprise if it wouldnt be accepted.

The fact is that even if you try to keep your own cultural background it goes away in a few generations. This is not something that people want to happen or try to force it is something that just happens and we cant stop it no matter where you immigrate to.

No it does not. Your cultural background and heritage does not instantly vanish in a vew generations. It continues in many circumstances, even with your racist attacks against immigrants.

Jose should not be on any restrictive list - period. Placing foreign names on restrictive lists and supporting them as you have done is racist.
I dont think your reading skills are working, I have said Jose would most likely not end up on this list.

Please just read the lists for yourself. The names are in most cases only a different spelling of an allowed name, in some cases the scandinavian name Sven is just an version of the Icelandic name Sveinn, other examples John is just a english version of the name Jón or the other way around, doesnt matter.

 

Klixxer

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Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
If there has been no change in the law for this long, i sincerly doubt there ever will be, many countries are moving away from beurocracy and governmental control while the US is increasing it.

In some areas you have already passed most of Europe in that area, i would worry about the new laws that restrict freedom instead of laws that have been around for a very long time and are getting more lax every year.

Actually after 9/11 certain European has enacted restrictive laws. Religious profiling is upheld, etc. Many countries have equal or much more restrictive Patriot Act laws. Even Canada has its own version.
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Many countries do, most countries do not which is why i typed "most of Europe" instead of only Europe.

Naturally when there comes new laws restricting freedom it should worry everyone no matter which country it is.

Which was my point.
 
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Cultural differences is what the entire issue is about.

What Czar is trying to point out to you is that you do not understand the Icelandic culture and that is why you react the way you do.

That racist law is not part of the Icelandic culture. It is not ingrained into their society, language, arts, etc.

I cannot understand racism. I will admit it. It is irrational to be racist.

Are you trying to say that the Icelandic culture is racist?
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: biostud666
Here's a crazy thought maybe you should try understand that doing things different from the US style isn't necesarily racism, facism or communism.

Who said that policies that are different from the US are racist? They aren't.

However a racist policy is racist in its very nature.

I gave a very good example: a "white" dane tried to call her son Christophpher which was denied because of the stupid spelling, and she could rename her child with a proper spelling. Now, the law is equal to all "races" and if you'd do me the favor to browse through the list I put up, you will find lot of Muslim names. So the law is not to prevent cultures from keeping their roots, but from keeping people from spelling the names stupid and call ther children different brand names. I can't really se why something that's no problem is equalized to nazism. Theoretically it might be a problem, but in real life it isn't. It might be in US but is not over here.

NEWSFLASH: I'm talking about ICELAND and the racist policies that Czar openly supports.
 

Klixxer

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Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Cultural differences is what the entire issue is about.

What Czar is trying to point out to you is that you do not understand the Icelandic culture and that is why you react the way you do.

That racist law is not part of the Icelandic culture. It is not ingrained into their society, language, arts, etc.

I cannot understand racism. I will admit it. It is irrational to be racist.

Are you trying to say that the Icelandic culture is racist?

Ah, so names are NOT part of the culture? Is that it?
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
I dont think your reading skills are working, I have said Jose would most likely not end up on this list.

It better not. However, you have also stated your support of Jose having to change his name, just like your Italian friend.

It is undeniable that you have shown open support for racist tactics.

Please just read the lists for yourself. The names are in most cases only a different spelling of an allowed name, in some cases the scandinavian name Sven is just an version of the Icelandic name Sveinn, other examples John is just a english version of the name Jón or the other way around, doesnt matter.

Oh how nice...they still have to change their names! What about those evil Asians, Indians, Arabs, etc? Well I guess they would have to bleach their skin and hair before coming, huh?

How brainwashed are you?
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Cultural differences is what the entire issue is about.

What Czar is trying to point out to you is that you do not understand the Icelandic culture and that is why you react the way you do.

That racist law is not part of the Icelandic culture. It is not ingrained into their society, language, arts, etc.

I cannot understand racism. I will admit it. It is irrational to be racist.

Are you trying to say that the Icelandic culture is racist?

Ah, so names are NOT part of the culture? Is that it?

No, a racist name law is not part of a culture.

A person named Jose can participate in Icelandic culture.
 

biostud

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: biostud666
Here's a crazy thought maybe you should try understand that doing things different from the US style isn't necesarily racism, facism or communism.

Who said that policies that are different from the US are racist? They aren't.

However a racist policy is racist in its very nature.

I gave a very good example: a "white" dane tried to call her son Christophpher which was denied because of the stupid spelling, and she could rename her child with a proper spelling. Now, the law is equal to all "races" and if you'd do me the favor to browse through the list I put up, you will find lot of Muslim names. So the law is not to prevent cultures from keeping their roots, but from keeping people from spelling the names stupid and call ther children different brand names. I can't really se why something that's no problem is equalized to nazism. Theoretically it might be a problem, but in real life it isn't. It might be in US but is not over here.

NEWSFLASH: I'm talking about ICELAND and the racist policies that Czar openly supports.


Then stop quoting me :p

It's 2.30 am overhere and I'll go to sleep now, and dream happy thoughts.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Cultural differences is what the entire issue is about.

What Czar is trying to point out to you is that you do not understand the Icelandic culture and that is why you react the way you do.

That racist law is not part of the Icelandic culture. It is not ingrained into their society, language, arts, etc.

I cannot understand racism. I will admit it. It is irrational to be racist.

Are you trying to say that the Icelandic culture is racist?

Ah, so names are NOT part of the culture? Is that it?

No, a racist name law is not part of a culture.

A person named Jose can participate in Icelandic culture.

Either the law is part of protecting the Iceland culture and names are part of the culture or names are not part of the culture which would mean that it is not racist.