Government Intervenes with naming of child...WTF?

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Czar

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
I'm still saying the same thing. If Googlygoogl immigrates to Iceland and becomes an icelandic citizen he can keep his name no questions asks. But if he has a kid he cant call him Googlygoogl jr because that name is not on the list.

So where do you stand now, do you still think this law is racist? do you still think I am racist?

Actually all you said in the beginning was that Googlygool would not be able to have Googlygool Jr because Googlygool is not an Icelandic name. Now you are saying that you support having Googlygool name his/her child Googlygool.

Is this law racist? Racist may be too strong, but it is clearly xenophobic if foreign names are on the banned list as you have indicated. Jose, Mohammed, etc. shouldn't have to apply for any names for their children just like Czar doesn't. MonkeyFace or some other name not related to culture or heritage or anything else applying for a name may be more reasonable to have to get approval.

I don't think you're racist, as I have previously clarified. However, I believe that you are xenophobic based on your comments in this thread as well as your comments in prevoius threads. You are too worried about your culture and language.
Exactly, he could not have that name because it was not Icelandic, in other words not on the list. Same as I wont call someone icelandic who is not an icelandic citizen.

If I just take the names starting with the letter A, all of the foreign names on the banned list have another version in the allowed list. Is this xenophobic?
Everyone has to apply to have their names added to the list and if you realy would spend some time looking at it you would see that there are sooo many names in the banned list that are just the same names as in the allowed list but only with one or two letters changed, and I am talking about names purely of icelandic origin, for example Jóhan is the same as Jóhann but only with one n missing.

And to look at this even further, here is a list of the names that were rejected and accepted in their last meeting.
Leonida - denied - Doesnt fit icelandic grammaticly and has no back history.
Kata - accepted - Has some grammatic issues as per "frá Kötu" but otherwise ok.
Von - accepted - Has some grammatic issues as per "til Vonar" but otherwise ok.
Adel - accepted - Has some grammatic issues as per "til Adels" but otherwise ok.

As you should be able to see that it has alot to do with how it fits the icelandic language and that is a discussion I dont think you are even close to having enough knowledge to get into so I wont go further into it.

You could say this is xenophobic but I wont. Reasons for why I support this law mainly two.
1. It prevents stupid parents from naming their kids stupid names.
2. It gurantees that names used fit the icelandic language ( as per John becomes Jón )

If you are still going on about these other threads about where I said everyone is racist in some way then I have explained it perfectly well in this thread somewhere and why I belive so. If you want to go deeper into this subject then I will gladly do so by starting a new thread about that subject. If you have some other comments of mine that makes you think I'm xenophobic then please quote them.

And I dont know what you have learned but in Europe and everywhere else in the world languages and culture is the prime factor on what defines a nation.
 

Klixxer

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It must be kinda hard to understand when you are living in a nation that really has no original culture or national language, i think that is where the translation gets lost.

Unfortunantly 99% of all countries do and the US is in minority, i say unfortunantly because i see diversity as something good, but then again, i am a Finnish Jew living in Germany so... heh.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I wish that most of Europe experienced a massive re-evaluation of their society and culture after WW2 on the level of what happened to the Japanese. I think it could have avoided some of the problems happening now and in the near future.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedic...om/Racism%20in%20Japan
here, go play, that is unless you have a specific agenda against europe

I mention the Japanese many times in some of my threads. However, their culture underwent some pretty staggering changes. I think if Europe went through the same 'degree' of changes to their culture, then they wouldn't be having these types of problems. I didn't say that the Japanese underwent a change that eradicated discrimination, simply that their culture underwent a high 'degree' of change.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Europe is stupid. Who cares?

We should all care. They're on the verge of repeating history, voluntary or not.

"We have seen this kind of thing before... I would never say that this is the beginning of a new Holocaust. But this is how it starts." - Barbara John, Germany's former commissioner for foreigners.
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
If you are still going on about these other threads about where I said everyone is racist in some way then I have explained it perfectly well in this thread somewhere and why I belive so. If you want to go deeper into this subject then I will gladly do so by starting a new thread about that subject. If you have some other comments of mine that makes you think I'm xenophobic then please quote them.

I'm actually basing it on your comments in this thread, that everyone is a racist comment, as well as comments you have made in the past where you have said you feel threatened by groups of immigrants because they are unknown to you.

And I dont know what you have learned but in Europe and everywhere else in the world languages and culture is the prime factor on what defines a nation.

Yes, and this desire to have a stagnant culture is one of the reasons for the increased xenophobia, racism, and discrimination.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I'm actually basing it on your comments in this thread, that everyone is a racist comment, as well as comments you have made in the past where you have said you feel threatened by groups of immigrants because they are unknown to you.
so you dont belive my reasoning for everyone being reacist in some ways? that it is not in our nature to be suspicous of the unknwon?
That being threatened by a group of immigrant comment if I remember correctly was hypothetical in regard of my stance on everyone being racist in some ways.


Yes, and this desire to have a stagnant culture is one of the reasons for the increased xenophobia, racism, and discrimination.
why do you call it a stagnant culture?

 

Sunner

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If my parents were stupid/bad parents enough to wanna name me "Stupid Fvcker" or some other crap, I'd sure be thanking whoever thought up the laws restricting names.
Someone who wants to name their kid something that will obviously get them in trouble when they start school shouldn't be a parents to begin with.

I agree that foreign named should be allowed though, if they're hard to pronounce or whatever, that shouldn't matter, they'll just spend a little extra time teaching people to pronounce them, or come up with a good nickname, so I see no problem with that.
And as far as I know, you can name your kid pretty much anything here in Sweden, so long as it's not offensive and/or harmful to the kid(for example someone wanted to name their son Tequila but got that rejected, I agree completely with that).

I've known a bunch of people with some pretty tricky foreign names, aside from the fact that I couldn't address them properly to begin with, no one seemed to have a problem with that, including the government.