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Another example, I know a "Computer Peripheral Specialist" that works for a public school. He plugs in monitors, keyboards, and mice. 17.5 an hour plus full benefits.

I don't need my tax dollars being wasted on this. State buildings need to operate like everyone else. The AV guys for this school have more than enough time to hook up keyboards and mice, they're just lazy, and the system is very forgiving of inefficiency. Where will it stop? Space bar admins, Power cord admins, right click admins, and of course USB admins.
 
I don't think people realize how inefficient this state has gotten with state employment. It has to stop, The "toner guy" at the prison doesn't even need to be there, let alone make 55k a year with state benefits.
 
spidey07 said:
If that's what the market for their skills dictate then so be it. As the fine Governor of NJ said - They don't have to work there. A job is not an entitlement or right, it's an exchange of services for money. It's Unions that remove free market forces and is essentially extortion from tax payers.
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Market analysis is not a one-way street. If you think the market is the only thing that matters here, then the union is trying to maximize their price demanded through organization within the market, just as a corporation organizes within the market. There's no extortion, no more than "you don't have to work here" is extortion. If businesses and governments don't like the price demanded, they don't sign the contract. So be it. There's no entitlement or right for deal with labor only as individual market participants, unless a law is passed (WI) to short-circuit the market (allowing organization only on the capital side).
 
rolodomo said:
Market analysis is not a one-way street. If you think the market is the only thing that matters here, then the union is trying to maximize their price demanded through organization within the market, just as a corporation organizes within the market. There's no extortion, no more than "you don't have to work here" is extortion. If businesses and governments don't like the price demanded, they don't sign the contract. So be it. There's no entitlement or right for deal with labor only as individual market participants, unless a law is passed (WI) to short-circuit the market (allowing organization only on the capital side).
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True, the unions don't ever promise votes for the state/local reps that sign-off on these contracts. I am sure that the politicians are getting the best price possible for the tax payers with nothing promised by the unions to help keep those politicians in office.
 
Homerboy said:
I did use this site already to search for some employees I know.
My first search of a very good friend of mine... she's an MPS teacher with about 4 years under her belt. $55K, full benefits etc. Not too shabby!
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That works out to over 100K a year if you prorate to include summers off an all the "free" benefits.

I'm also reading rumors the governor is telling teachers if they miss 3 straight days without a doctors notice they'll be fired. So much win from this guy.
 
JockoJohnson said:
True, the unions don't ever promise votes for the state/local reps that sign-off on these contracts. I am sure that the politicians are getting the best price possible for the tax payers with nothing promised by the unions to help keep those politicians in office.
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Yes, that would be a risk when individuals organize within the market and exert great influence. Another example, individuals organize into a corporation, which then lobbies lawmaker for legal entitlements with the understanding the corporation will donate to lawmaker's election campaign (or will not spend money to oppose).

However, both types of organizations should still be analyzed as valid market participants (or not), but not just one of them.
 
Homerboy said:
I did use this site already to search for some employees I know.
My first search of a very good friend of mine... she's an MPS teacher with about 4 years under her belt. $55K, full benefits etc. Not too shabby!
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Interesting... I was under the assumption that teacher salaries weren't listed on that database because they fell under "employees represented by several labor unions."
 
SammyJr said:
May your faith in the Trickle Down keep you warm while you are sitting on your couch, unemployed, eating from your Chinese made dinner ware.
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You're confused, that will be you, not me. I'm gainfully employed, I do not need a union to represent me, see I have a secret weapon.


Psss wanna know what it is? I have skills.... and a good work ethic...
 
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We should just take a quick poll to see how many here feel labor unions should be completely outlawed, along with child labor laws, and mandated safety codes.
 
jonks said:
We should just take a quick poll to see how many here feel labor unions should be completely outlawed, along with child labor laws, and mandated safety codes.
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Why not have a separate poll for each item? Oh yea, because then the results might not be as skewed as you desire.
 
rolodomo said:
Yes, that would be a risk when individuals organize within the market and exert great influence. Another example, individuals organize into a corporation, which then lobbies lawmaker for legal entitlements with the understanding the corporation will donate to lawmaker's election campaign (or will not spend money to oppose).

However, both types of organizations should still be analyzed as valid market participants (or not), but not just one of them.
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Wholeheartedly agree. I wish that corporations didn't count as an "individual". Too much lobbying power from corporations and unions.
 
jonks said:
We should just take a quick poll to see how many here feel labor unions should be completely outlawed, along with child labor laws, and mandated safety codes.
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Why would they be lumped under one poll? Unions are not the only group that could enforce child labor laws and mandated safety codes. Do you really think that way?
 
rolodomo said:
Yes, that would be a risk when individuals organize within the market and exert great influence. Another example, individuals organize into a corporation, which then lobbies lawmaker for legal entitlements with the understanding the corporation will donate to lawmaker's election campaign (or will not spend money to oppose).

However, both types of organizations should still be analyzed as valid market participants (or not), but not just one of them.
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Also, a Chamber of Commerce which lobby on behalf businesses among other activities.
 
Jadow said:
Where in the name of hell are you getting your estimate that the average teacher salary is 22k a year? LOL. More like 60k-70k total compensation. And they have to work about 40 days less a year than the rest of us schmos.
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FWIW, I dated a public high school teacher in a small town near Madison, and her salary was ~$35k per year after about 8 years of teaching in that district. I don't know what benefits (total compensation) she got. She just had a Bachelor's degree and was studying for a Master's.

Median household income around Madison/Milwaukee was $50k last time I checked.
 
FDF12389 said:
Why not have a separate poll for each item? Oh yea, because then the results might not be as skewed as you desire.
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The same people who sneer with glee at every anti-union effort and yet have no problem with corporate extortion tactics are the ones with the problems. They are the people who argued about "unnecessary and unconstitutional government interference" when those things I mentioned were implemented. It's only 100 years of inertia that prevents those issues from being reargued, but argued they were back then, by the same sorts of free-market advocates. In your post however it seems you've conceded child labor laws are ok, so congrats on that.
 
tk149 said:
FWIW, I dated a public high school teacher in a small town near Madison, and her salary was ~$35k per year after about 8 years of teaching in that district. I don't know what benefits (total compensation) she got. She just had a Bachelor's degree and was studying for a Master's.

Median household income around Madison/Milwaukee was $50k last time I checked.
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So average salary was 50k, she got free pension, 3 months off a year, and didn't pay for her benefits. IMO that's worth wayy more the 15k less in income.
 
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