GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[theeedude]

Republicans don't have any working ideas on health care. All they can do is bash Democrat ideas.

 

[shortylickens]

Republicans don't have any working ideas on health care. All they can do is bash Democrat ideas.

Thats a lie.

They came up with multiple bills. Sure, they all suck, but they had ideas.
And yes, they spent more time attacking Democrats than working on productive ideas. But thats pretty much the norm at this point. At least it has been since 1993 when Clinton went to the White House.

 

[Engineer]

Thats a lie.

They came up with multiple bills. Sure, they all suck, but they had ideas.
And yes, they spent more time attacking Democrats than working on productive ideas. But thats pretty much the norm at this point. At least it has been since 1993 when Clinton went to the White House.

So a 'sucking' idea is a 'working' idea? Hardly.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thats a lie.

They came up with multiple bills. Sure, they all suck, but they had ideas.
And yes, they spent more time attacking Democrats than working on productive ideas. But thats pretty much the norm at this point. At least it has been since 1993 when Clinton went to the White House.

You're beginning to understand Repub politicos... the minions of the true Bush constituency.

 

[theeedude]

Thats a lie.

They came up with multiple bills. Sure, they all suck, but they had ideas.
And yes, they spent more time attacking Democrats than working on productive ideas. But thats pretty much the norm at this point. At least it has been since 1993 when Clinton went to the White House.

I said working ideas. They have none.

 

[trenchfoot]

I said working ideas. They have none.

That's pretty much due to the fact that the Repubs have an ironclad ideology that refuses to acknowledge the fact that what essential services the for profit private sector refuses to offer the masses must be provided by the government. In this particular case it's real affordable health care for everyone and not any of that repeal and replace tax cuts for the rich bullshit the Repubs have been miserably failing at when they tried to ram it down our throats three times and counting.

What amuses me more about their failed attempts is that the more they try to force things their way and their way only, the more they make it known that all they care about is giving the working class the most bare minimum joke of a health care plan in order to give the very wealthy a nice healthy tax cut and keep those hefty profits rolling in for the heath care and health insurance industries.

Their attempts at providing more and ever more tax cuts for the wealthy in their all out push to deliver a "tax reform" package that they and Trump say "will be so so good for the middle class" will hopefully go the same way as their supposed health care plan that for the most part gave lip service to the working class while the wealthy stuffs their pockets with cash derived from the bounty the Repub controlled gov't is attempting to bless them with.

The Repubs in gov't are inescapably bound by their ideology and nature to be so easily corrupted by what the very wealthy have tempted them with and are thus very much predisposed to stick it to the middle class and the poor in order to give the very wealthy all that they desire.

It's my hope that many of the working class Repub constituency will finally accept these facts of life and start voting for their own best economic interests rather than for what the GOP leadership have been disingenuously propagandizing them with.

 

[theeedude]

I am looking at the final product, and they have none. The reasons are complex, ideology, money, etc. But the result is what matters, and the result is that after 7 years of calling Obamacare a complete disaster, that have yet to produce any proposal, no matter how minor, that is an unequivocal improvement. If they cannot improve on a disaster, then it doesn't matter what the reasons are, they are their problem to deal with.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The thing is that with so much turmoil in the WH over even the most simple problems they'll never be able to accomplish anything. Trump runs things like its at tv show without regard to procedures or etiquette, most definitely ignores common sense and totally has no practical intelligence all of which continues to degrade any hope of moving forward. Then Mueller's investigation is putting pressure on him and people close to him are also falling under the gun which could be causing them to withdraw support as they push away for self preservation.

To sum it up this administration is like a frat party gone awry where the attendees were all laughing and drinking it up while running amok until the neighbors called the police and now nobody wants to be responsible for what they've done. Will they ever implode upon themselves like the Whig party or is their base too strong and blind lending undying support no matter what?

This is becoming more like a soap opera with each passing day. If you miss a couple of episodes and pick back up the retardedness will be the same so it will always feel familiar to you.

 

[theeedude]

If America doesn't get rid of the Republican party, it's doomed.

 

[Puffnstuff]

If America doesn't get rid of the Republican party, it's doomed.

To be honest its the two party system that has forced us into the corner we're in right now. It has allowed lobbyist funded by corporations and the wealthy to exert influence over our lawmakers to do their bidding over the best interests of the public at large.

 

[theeedude]

To be honest its the two party system that has forced us into the corner we're in right now. It has allowed lobbyist funded by corporations and the wealthy to exert influence over our lawmakers to do their bidding over the best interests of the public at large.

No, it's the Republican party in particular. They change the rules of the game for everyone, so if you want to compete, you have to play those games. Citizens United was a Republican vs Democrat split on SCOTUS. If we don't lustrate GOP from every branch of government, this country will eventually break up.

 

[ivwshane]

To be honest its the two party system that has forced us into the corner we're in right now. It has allowed lobbyist funded by corporations and the wealthy to exert influence over our lawmakers to do their bidding over the best interests of the public at large.

Another "both sides" moron.

 

[Indus]

If we don't lustrate GOP from every branch of government, this country will eventually break up.

how long do you figure?

 

[theeedude]

how long do you figure?

Depends on GOP, but at the rate they are regressing, if they overstay their welcome through Gerrymander, vote suppression, SCOTUS, and Electoral College, I would say 10 years is not out of the question.

 

[Indus]

Depends on GOP, but at the rate they are regressing, if they overstay their welcome through Gerrymander, vote suppression, SCOTUS, and Electoral College, I would say 10 years is not out of the question.

Wish it would happen already.

I wouldn't mind deporting the entire Trump family.

 

[zinfamous]

Lets just say Obamacare is in fact "broken", which is hard to prove because there was never a strict definition of success, but even if it is broken, does Donald honestly believe any of them will admit to it, scrap the whole program, and work with the Republicans to make something completely new?
Or is he just posturing and full of shit like always?


(I dont like Obamacare because it raised my monthly rates considerably and also I have much worse coverage. But the Dems claim millions of people are now insured who were not previously, so theres that.)

Or how about this: say it is broken and you are charged with figuring out why it is broken, so it doesn't happen again.

Does it matter whether or not:

1) you dropped it by accident and it was poorly constructed and broke, or if it was made of cheap parts and could be made better by replacing those specific parts?
2) you've been systematically chiseling away at key structures of the device to insure that it falls apart. And keep hammering until maybe it shatters into pieces. And then proudly claim "see, it's broken! I told you"

This is an important point, and one of these analogies reflects what has actually happened with the ACA.

 

[fskimospy]

To be honest its the two party system that has forced us into the corner we're in right now. It has allowed lobbyist funded by corporations and the wealthy to exert influence over our lawmakers to do their bidding over the best interests of the public at large.

It’s realy important to recognize the dysfunction we are seeing in government is primarily due to the radicalization of the Republican Party over the last 30 years.

This is shown both empirically and honestly just through a gut check. Just think to yourself and ask if the average Democrat elected in the 90s would be at home in the Democratic Party today. I think that’s a pretty obvious yes. We know for a fact the opposite is not true for Republicans, as the people considered ultra right conservatives in the 90s like John Boehner are RINOs now.

The democrats moved modestly to the left and the republicans went insane. To treat this as a ‘both sides’ problem just rewards the people who went nuts.

 

[vi edit]

Chief Dotard is word vomiting out his plans for an executive order for cross state policies as a be all end all savior for "lots and lots of people". I also like how he has the animated corpse of Henry Kissinger next to him claiming that Obamacare is raising his premiums. Wonder if he actually did the same math with the Republican plans. Hmmm....

 

[K1052]

It's only 11AM and I think I need a drink:

 

[UberNeuman]

Old Henry hates paying high premiums. He also hates the red hot poker Satan keeps ramming up his ass.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Thats a lie.

They came up with multiple bills. Sure, they all suck, but they had ideas.
And yes, they spent more time attacking Democrats than working on productive ideas. But thats pretty much the norm at this point. At least it has been since 1993 when Clinton went to the White House.

The bills were basically meant to save enough for the tax cuts for the 1%. They didn't care about impact when they wrote them, they just needed the savings to push the tax cut through.

 

[Younigue]

Old Henry hates paying high premiums. He also hates the red hot poker Satan keeps ramming us his ass.

No, he likes red hot poker.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Is this referring to subsidies on the ACA exchange? How can he do this by executive order? Isn't it in direct violation of ACA which is law? I know several people who can't afford the full premiums and get subsidized plans on the exchange.

Trump will end health care cost-sharing subsidies -
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/obamacare-subsidies/index.html

 

[sactoking]

After months of subversive moves to destabilize insurance markets it became official today: fuck you, you're poor and/or sick.

First we get an executive order to explore expanding mewas, those funderful fraud magnets that got so bad that Republican administrations had to rein them in during the 80s and 90s. Now it's official that the legally mandated cost sharing reductions will be unlawfully withheld.

 

[ivwshane]

Congrats Republicans! You will soon be winning!!!


What did you win? Higher premiums and less insurance options!! Its a Republicans wet dream!

Enjoy your higher costs!!