GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[Thump553]

They swear that is the final disposition on this dead horse.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/politics/health-care-republican-senate-vote/index.html

I hope you're correct, but I'm going to wait until Sunday to celebrate. I've sat through this bad horror movie too many times this year.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Trying to cram it into the, already contentious, tax bill would be weapons grade crazy. I doubt they'll really try.

Are you really doubting the GOPs ability to weaponize stupid?

 

[trenchfoot]

Trying to cram it into the, already contentious, tax bill would be weapons grade crazy. I doubt they'll really try.

I agree with you and I think it rather ironic that this supposed "replacement health care plan" always was an key integral component of the "tax reform plan" that will both bless the wealthy with more tax cuts while forcing the gov't to shrink in size and services to the working class due to the reduction of revenues that the tax cuts create, a two 'fer of which is exactly what the GOP have been doggedly striving for these past decades.

If the Repubs are compelled to include the "health care plan" tax cuts for the wealthy and bear the brunt of the damage that this "health scare plan" will cause to the working class, they will expose what they've been trying to hide from the get-go. I'm thinking that's another reason why they're not going to do it.

That being said, desperation, especially the kind that is motivated by greed, has a way of shutting off the normal reasoning abilities of folks and makes them gear up into panic mode overdrive. It seems the Repubs have clutch pedaled to the floor, got a death grip on that shifter knob and are seriously contemplating about shifting into that gear.

Exploding clutch and gear box anyone?

 

[brycejones]

Are you really doubting the GOPs ability to weaponize stupid?

I won't anymore if the fine people of Alabama elect Roy Moore as their senator.

 

[vi edit]

I won't anymore if the fine people of Alabama elect Roy Moore as their senator.

Yeah. When you have the choice between a McConnell backed candidate and a Bannon one...you know you are already fucked.

 

[K1052]

I won't anymore if the fine people of Alabama elect Roy Moore as their senator.

*looks at Jeff Sessions*

uhhh

 

[K1052]

Wow this is like McConnell's worst day ever.

Moore will probably win in AL, healthcare goes down again, and now it looks like a wave of retirements is about to hit the GOP (Corker just announced he's not running for re-election).

 

[thilanliyan]

They swear that is the final disposition on this dead horse.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/politics/health-care-republican-senate-vote/index.html

Graham to McConell-->"Thank you, it's complicated, it's difficult politics,"
Who knew!!

 

[Puffnstuff]

Are you really doubting the GOPs ability to weaponize stupid?

Psst... I think they've got the patent locked up on that one for a while. However, never underestimate the democrats ability to mimic their behavior.

 

[UNCjigga]

Wow this is like McConnell's worst day ever.

Moore will probably win in AL, healthcare goes down again, and now it looks like a wave of retirements is about to hit the GOP (Corker just announced he's not running for re-election).

 

[woolfe9998]

So where does the GOP go from here? Do they 1) keep writing crappy far right bills that 3-4 of their Senators say no to, 2) work on a bi-partisan bill with the dems, or 3) do nothing. I'm betting on the first. I don't think we've seen the last of these crappy bills.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So where does the GOP go from here? Do they 1) keep writing crappy far right bills that 3-4 of their Senators say no to, 2) work on a bi-partisan bill with the dems, or 3) do nothing. I'm betting on the first. I don't think we've seen the last of these crappy bills.

I don't think they have the political capital to continue (not that they had it for this round, or last round for that matter). Prolly 3, move on to fail at other things.

 

[K1052]

So where does the GOP go from here? Do they 1) keep writing crappy far right bills that 3-4 of their Senators say no to, 2) work on a bi-partisan bill with the dems, or 3) do nothing. I'm betting on the first. I don't think we've seen the last of these crappy bills.

Probably do nothing, for now. There is a chance that a bipartisan stabilization bill gets worked out for some non-contreverisal things like CSR payments.

I don't know what the appetite will be next year for trying to crack this again via reconciliation. Guess we'll find out.

 

[Thump553]

So where does the GOP go from here? Do they 1) keep writing crappy far right bills that 3-4 of their Senators say no to, 2) work on a bi-partisan bill with the dems, or 3) do nothing. I'm betting on the first. I don't think we've seen the last of these crappy bills.

They do nothing, Trump sabotages the ACA (by cutting off the payments to the insurers, among other things) and when the ACA fails say "I told you so."

 

[Engineer]

Cheeto Von Tweeto just said that they had the votes for healthcare but because of reconciliation window and the filibuster, they can't get it through?

WTF is he talking about? If they have enough votes, they should be able to pass it with the 50 votes that they have.

Said that the Dems would get rid of the filibuster if they had the chance?!? Again, WTF is he talking about? There has been plenty of times in history that both side could have gotten rid of the filibuster but did not. This guy has lost it.

 

[K1052]

Cheeto Von Tweeto just said that they had the votes for healthcare but because of reconciliation window and the filibuster, they can't get it through?

WTF is he talking about? If they have enough votes, they should be able to pass it with the 50 votes that they have.

Said that the Dems would get rid of the filibuster if they had the chance?!? Again, WTF is he talking about? There has been plenty of times in history that both side could have gotten rid of the filibuster but did not. This guy has lost it.

They, in fact, don't have the votes.

Can't wait for the outlandish claims about the yet to actually exist tax bill that will undoubtedly be passed "very soon".

 

[hal2kilo]

Yeah. When you have the choice between a McConnell backed candidate and a Bannon one...you know you are already fucked.

What's even sadder is that the real alternative (Democrat) won't even be considered. I so glad

Cheeto Von Tweeto just said that they had the votes for healthcare but because of reconciliation window and the filibuster, they can't get it through?

WTF is he talking about? If they have enough votes, they should be able to pass it with the 50 votes that they have.

Said that the Dems would get rid of the filibuster if they had the chance?!? Again, WTF is he talking about? There has been plenty of times in history that both side could have gotten rid of the filibuster but did not. This guy has lost it.

Yea, I heard an audio feed of this crap while he was about to board Air Force 1 for Indianapolis. He kept repeating that they have the votes just not now due to a Senator being in the hospital. Well, that Senator (Cochran) is not actually in the hospital, and he's a guaranteed Yes vote. The man is senile.
EDIT: here's a link https://www.salon.com/2017/09/28/do...-claim-that-a-gop-senator-is-in-the-hospital/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What's even sadder is that the real alternative (Democrat) won't even be considered. I so glad

Yea, I heard an audio feed of this crap while he was about to board Air Force 1 for Indianapolis. He kept repeating that they have the votes just not now due to a Senator being in the hospital. Well, that Senator (Cochran) is not actually in the hospital, and he's a guaranteed Yes vote. The man is senile.

He's incapable of error and defeat in his mind. He didn't lose. He just wasn't allowed to win but he would have had they let him. I mean this is the guy who this morning deleted all of his tweets supporting Luther Strange. Like that erases his failure in backing the loser. I particularly like the one where he said Strange was polling higher due to his support. He wasn't. - Delete

He is just completely delusional and detached from reality.

 

[hal2kilo]

He's incapable of error and defeat in his mind. He didn't lose. He just wasn't allowed to win but he would have had they let him. I mean this is the guy who this morning deleted all of his tweets supporting Luther Strange. Like that erases his failure in backing the loser. I particularly like the one where he said Strange was polling higher due to his support. He wasn't. - Delete

He is just completely delusional and detached from reality.

Sometimes I wonder if he walks around with a pack of gold star stickers, just for himself.

 

[sactoking]

I've seen some reports now that he's going to sign sign an executive order to permit health insurance sales across state lines. I can't, at this time, comprehend how this will withstand the inevitable judicial scrutiny. It's also really stupid as it won't help anything. But hey, maybe the USSC eventually does enough legal gymnastics to permit it and then we'll see in practice how the theory has always been asinine.

 

[vi edit]

I've seen some reports now that he's going to sign sign an executive order to permit health insurance sales across state lines. I can't, at this time, comprehend how this will withstand the inevitable judicial scrutiny. It's also really stupid as it won't help anything. But hey, maybe the USSC eventually does enough legal gymnastics to permit it and then we'll see in practice how the theory has always been asinine.

To this day I have never been able to understand how out of state policies would have any measurable effect on cost or access to care. It's been some pariah held high by the GOP for years but it just makes no sense to me.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I've seen some reports now that he's going to sign sign an executive order to permit health insurance sales across state lines. I can't, at this time, comprehend how this will withstand the inevitable judicial scrutiny. It's also really stupid as it won't help anything. But hey, maybe the USSC eventually does enough legal gymnastics to permit it and then we'll see in practice how the theory has always been asinine.

There is no law forbidding selling insurance across state lines. It is not done for practical reasons, not legal ones.

 

[sactoking]

It is a legal issue, just primarily a state-level one, which is why I can't see a federal executive order having any effect.

 

[Puffnstuff]

It is a legal issue, just primarily a state-level one, which is why I can't see a federal executive order having any effect.

The federal supremacy doctrine will supersede any state law if one exists that is in conflict with it. If Trump creates an executive order with specific rules that are in conflict with an existing state law they will have to switch gears and get on board the new policy. Health insurance is something that should be legislated as it takes time for research which historically results in a more comprehensive package. The legislative branch has a duty to create needed laws, however, they need to leave this health care issue alone and focus on other matters as it isn't the only pressing issue on our plates.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

If I'm remembering it right two states already allow out of state policies and exactly zero companies have taken it up since it was permitted.