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Good OS roundup article.

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Originally posted by: Nothinman




Because MacOS used windows as a generic term, it wasn't used any the product names, copyrights, trademarks or anything. And X11 isn't X Windows, it's X11, X11R6 (the current release) or just X.

Oh yea and you misspelled Aqua =)
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Which is my point. Windows is a generic term for those little dialog boxes we stare at for hours on end. I would be like ford going:

"And all new for 2004 the Ford Car YD (tm), better than before, bigger seats, more outstanding roll resistence due all new 12 foot door wings! 80 foot long curise ship construction and now the methane turbo 3 cylinder with 80 speed ultra overdrive transmission for smooth rides and meets 45% of the new projected California Socialist Republic's 2035 enviromental compliance!! Get your Ford Car (tm) today!"

And suing anybody who refers to any convaince device by calling them cars, instead of the more technically correct usage: "non-Ford compliant automobiles" and have ongoing trademark strife with GM for the new Chevy "Char".
 
I'm gonna pretend that I'm asian and pretend that I'm offended, to take the opportunity to notify EricMartello (notice the attention I pay to spelling, smartass) that he is a childish bum (and a bigot too, it seems). You come in here and insult people as if you are so grand for having this unbiased "knowledge" of operating systems, only to get made to look like an ass, and yet you continue to post, seemingly oblivious to the fact that you are speaking about things in which you have no experience. If you want to debate, do it about things you have some knowledge of. Go start a thread about the virtues of win2k over xp or something.
 
I did not bother reading this thread, because most of it is crap. Some people need a friggin' clue-stick upside the head a good half dozen times. I don't know how I manage to avoid these threads for this long before just going off. Maybe its the JD that makes me want to poke my head in and see WTF is going on.

Want easy? Setup OpenBSD. Once you get past the jitters of partitioning (which isn't usually that bad), its easy. Want apache? Change a NO to a YES and it will run. Simple solutions for simple people. That's why I use it, I'm a simpleton.

If CLI is so bad, why is Microsoft supposedly looking at making a CLI only server OS?

EricMartello, please, get an effing clue when it comes to Mac OS X. PLEASE! The X does stand for 10 by the way, but along the same lines as the X Windowing System (or whatever the hell people want to call it, I just need to call attention to the fact I am not talking about Mac OS X) has not moved up release numbers in years. They will continue calling it Mac OS X vblah, but the X ALWAYS STOOD FOR 10! X11 has not been integrated into Aqua as far as I can tell, but Apple did release an X11 client (probably server too) application to allow Apple users to use X11 programs without having to download XFree86 releases.

Want to inform me anymore about the OS I rate #3 of all time for desktop applications?

Now, back to your regularly scheduled "Idiots on AT, and the Regulars That Love to Flame Them!" on this week's "Jerry Springer!"
 
[Q=BingBongWongFooey] I'm gonna pretend that I'm asian and pretend that I'm offended, to take the opportunity to notify EricMartello (notice the attention I pay to spelling, smartass) that he is a childish bum (and a bigot too, it seems). You come in here and insult people as if you are so grand for having this unbiased "knowledge" of operating systems [/quote]


Jeez I totally missed that part of of the thread. I thought you were talking about me. 🙁 I was like, how the hell did I piss you off like that? was "char" a bad asian slang or something?
I couldn't figure out what pissed you off that much. I didn't think I was THAT big of a moron, just a bit too opinionated sometimes... oh well. Now I know.
(maybe)

I knew that guy was a lamer when he stated that a windows was inherently superior just because it was GUI-based, but I can't resist these threads sometimes. Better than reading The Onion sometimes and at least I get to praticipate, but it's not that fun after it gets personal.
 
On a Sunny Sunday morning in NC- I had decided that I was not going to wade into the quagmire BUT once I got all the way to the end I could not resist. So in lieu of mowing the lawn I decided to add my $.02:

EricMartello- I understand your point of view. I don't agree with it though. I know how hard Linux is to learn and to develop skills in. I installed it the first time over 2 years ago, started running it as my OS of choice at work 18 months ago, 6 months ago I installed it on all the systems (1 server, 3 workstations, and a laptop) in my home with the execption of my wife's computer, and 2 weeks ago I took and passed my RHCE. I now have to look forward to forcing a Linux desktop rollout down the throats of about 35 employees at work because "it's better for what they need to do". So I have to sum up what I learned in 2 years (rm -rf is BAD) and teach 35 people how to be productive on Linux so that no schedules slip or work gets lost. That is gonna suck. Why you ask? Because the majority of the people that I work with are Windows Babies (TM). They have only ever run Windows and they know nothing else. The learning curve should not be too huge but the ADMIN curve will be. Again why you ask? Because we are not planning on giving root access to the users (theory is less chance for network damamge that way)

Linux has it's uses and people that prefer it. I was a BIG MS 2000 fan until I "saw the light". I saw the light when I started having to "patch" my Department Windows 2000 server on almost a daily basis. Why is that a problem? Well you schedule a reboot on a machine that has 250 users spread out over the entire US. Additionally the patches were required by my Corporate office to be on in a certain amount of time... Any critical patches had to be on in 24hours or less. It was then that I realized that any Linux patches that I saw that were Cert notices almost never required me to reboot my Linux Fileserver like I had to with my Windows server. Once I made that realization along with SSH, Remote X (read X forwarding in SSH) and webmin, I determined that I could, using the commandline, admin my Linux box from the comfort of my home without have to reboot(usually)

Linux is Arcane! Yes that is true. But once you get proficient at using it you will find that it may make you a BETTER windows admin. You may not know windows better but you will be willing to look for "Linux type" ways to admin your windows systems, such as batching your updates- and other various things that Windows Update wouldn't make you think to do. I have found that I like Linux more as I have more flexibility but then you have heard that over and over. Also I can control what I am running (you have heard that too).

Eric- My suggestion to you is to run it for a while. Learn some of it. Remove the blinders and use google and see what it is about. All too often small minds remain small because they are not willing to look at the world outside. I suggest that you expand your horizons.

As far a n0cmonkey, BBWF, nothingman, drag and others on this forum that provide assistance to what can be annoying n00bs (read unwilling to use the search function or google) we will contiue to provide the assistance and opinions that we have up through til now.

As a final comment- Don't make assumptions or insult your fellow ATers. There is/was no need to use insults or slurs here. As BBWF(I think he is the one) put it "Opinions are like assholes everyone has one, they all stink. and some are bigger then others. So voice your opinion and defend it rationally and logically without the name calling and GROW UP

Panther - on a bemused (read hung over) Sunday morning
 
Eric- My suggestion to you is to run it for a while. Learn some of it. Remove the blinders and use google and see what it is about. All too often small minds remain small because they are not willing to look at the world outside. I suggest that you expand your horizons.
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I have run Linux for a while, and I was not impressed, nor compelled to switch to it. If you use just ONE box to support your whole company, that's just asking for trouble...look into this thing called redundancy. Lemme guess, you're using IDE hard drives too. I run Win2K and I do not need to install updates on a "daily basis", not even weekly. I'd say once every few weeks...and guess what, it is FULLY AUTOMATED. At least you admit that linux is old. 😀

Eric



 
Postcount is inversely proportional to the intelligence and credibility of said poster. Once you pass 1000, several facts become apparent:

- You are a guy
- You live with your parents
- You have never gotten laid; JILL doesn't count
- Personal hygiene is an afterthought
- You do not know what you are talking about, because you live on AnandTech -- the AOL of hardware websites
- You have an opinion about everything, and feel the need to share it, but in reality you are a yes-man who will never amount to anything

There's more, but you get the point. 😀

Eric

Originally posted by: StuckMojo
OMFG!!!

i only JUST NOW noticed this guys post count! *sigh* why the hell did i even bother?
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Originally posted by: EricMartello
Eric- My suggestion to you is to run it for a while. Learn some of it. Remove the blinders and use google and see what it is about. All too often small minds remain small because they are not willing to look at the world outside. I suggest that you expand your horizons.
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I have run Linux for a while, and I was not impressed, nor compelled to switch to it. If you use just ONE box to support your whole company, that's just asking for trouble...look into this thing called redundancy. Lemme guess, you're using IDE hard drives too. I run Win2K and I do not need to install updates on a "daily basis", not even weekly. I'd say once every few weeks...and guess what, it is FULLY AUTOMATED. At least you admit that linux is old. 😀

Eric
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First off can the attitude... I work for a Fortune 100 company. I am responsible for the daily running of my TEST team. We are in a developmental environment that cannot afford to go down. Redundancy is great IF and only if you can maintain the security of what you are doing.

The servers that I run are all on 4H ServerRaid controllers, EXP 10s & 15 with full 18 and 36 GB SCSI Drives. I have not had a "system" failure or issue under Linux in the last 10 months (when I converted the server to Linux). Your updates are FULLY AUTOMATED but guess what? THEY DON"T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL YOU REBOOT THE SYSTEM!!! DUH! If you are running automated windows update on a server you are stupid. That means that you are willing to bet your job that MS has QA'ed that patch in your environment. They haven't. There isn't even a beta test group for the patches (unless you count the OEM SP testing that goes on. Usually much after the hotfix has been released). So you in your MS greatness blindly apply a patch that MS SAYS will fix the security issue and not cause another issue. I HOPE THAT YOU BACK UP FREQUENTLY...

I plan to go back and look at the total number of MS Security bullentins that I got last year. Actually I used MS's Tech net there were 23 patches that were issues last year for security issues (Link to search). Looking at the dispersion that is a minimum of 1 per month with the most being 3 in a month (in 5 months). This is based on selecting W2k Server with SP2 as a base. Now if you have a company that has an IT requirement for patching that has to be met then that meant that I had to reboot a minimum of 1 time per month. THAT IS TOO MUCH ON A MISSION CRITICAL SYSTEM.... Period end of discussion.

You a truly ignorant and a troll...

Maybe it is time to ask the mods to lock it.
 
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Postcount is inversely proportional to the intelligence and credibility of said poster. Once you pass 1000, several facts become apparent:

- You are a guy
- You live with your parents
- You have never gotten laid; JILL doesn't count
- Personal hygiene is an afterthought
- You do not know what you are talking about, because you live on AnandTech -- the AOL of hardware websites
- You have an opinion about everything, and feel the need to share it, but in reality you are a yes-man who will never amount to anything

There's more, but you get the point. 😀

Eric
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Then why are you here, dumbass? Obviously you're not only ignorant when it comes to operating systems, you're also a conceited bigot. Pretty sad that you are 5 years older than me and yet are as ignorant as I was in probably junior high. Grow up.
 
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Postcount is inversely proportional to the intelligence and credibility of said poster. Once you pass 1000, several facts become apparent:

- You are a guy
- You live with your parents
- You have never gotten laid; JILL doesn't count
- Personal hygiene is an afterthought
- You do not know what you are talking about, because you live on AnandTech -- the AOL of hardware websites
- You have an opinion about everything, and feel the need to share it, but in reality you are a yes-man who will never amount to anything

There's more, but you get the point. 😀

Eric
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That stuff doesn't pertain to me because I've posted 1000+ times on Anandtech, it pertains to me because I play snes and genesis roms...

For the record, I prefer Linux on my servers and Windows on my desktops. Why? Simply because I'm a lazy son-of-a-bitch. Linux servers, albeit, are more difficult to setup, but are infinitely easier to maintain. I do have a few *Nix desktop boxes, but I prefer Win because I don't have to think.

Now, I'm not trying to impose any of my views on anyone. I simply felt like voicing my opinion because I've been playing "secret of mana" for far too long, and I'm avoiding my shower...

 
Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Postcount is inversely proportional to the intelligence and credibility of said poster. Once you pass 1000, several facts become apparent:

- You are a guy
- You live with your parents
- You have never gotten laid; JILL doesn't count
- Personal hygiene is an afterthought
- You do not know what you are talking about, because you live on AnandTech -- the AOL of hardware websites
- You have an opinion about everything, and feel the need to share it, but in reality you are a yes-man who will never amount to anything

There's more, but you get the point. 😀

Eric
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That stuff doesn't pertain to me because I've posted 1000+ times on Anandtech, it pertains to me because I play snes and genesis roms...

For the record, I prefer Linux on my servers and Windows on my desktops. Why? Simply because I'm a lazy son-of-a-bitch. Linux servers, albeit, are more difficult to setup, but are infinitely easier to maintain. I do have a few *Nix desktop boxes, but I prefer Win because I don't have to think.

Now, I'm not trying to impose any of my views on anyone. I simply felt like voicing my opinion because I've been playing "secret of mana" for far too long, and I'm avoiding my shower...
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Haven't played that game in forever, sounds fun, stinky 😛
 
EricMartello, do you work for this pricerio.com place? Your profile says you are in Baltimore, which isn't far from me, but pricerio is registered in Philly. Of course the ISP or hosting company (running Linux) is in Baltimore. If you aren't actually working for pricerio, it sounds like an awful lot of work keeping up with it for a hobby. Not to mention, running it on an inferior platform like Linux is a bad idea. Ahh, never mind. Alabanza.com is a web hosting company. So instead of looking for the superior Windows hosting packages, you went with an inferior Linux package. How strange.

As far as redundancy goes, what kind of internet connections does your employer have? You have gathered that information while you cleaned his garbage cans right? Let me guess, Business DSL? How about an OC-3 and a satellite connection for redundancy? Or just a couple of T-1s from different providers? If you have anything but the middle choice, you are fooling yourself about redundancy.

Got a couple of enterprise ready firewalls in an High Availability mode? How about a hot-site 300-600 miles away? All of your databases have hot backups? Hot spares? The UPS systems last long enough for your generators to kick on? Because we know that even power connections to 4 different grids still is not enough. And one of the most over looked parts of redundancy, do you have enough administrators that most of them can call in sick, die, disappear, get abducted, get arrested, get deported, whatever, and still have a 100% operational site?

If you can answer these questions well, and you obviously know all of the answers, I would love to hear about your truely redundant IDS setup. My IDS fetish is starting to kick back in. The thought of unreleased products in my grubby (because I have too many posts to shower, even with the increadibly cut down amount of time I spend here) hands is making me giggle like a school girl high on caffiene.
 
my reference to your postcount was not an attack on your intelligence. it was simply a indication of the likelyhood that you are trolling. often someone who registers then posts a controversial thread has done so just to start a fight. had a looked at your postcount initially, i wouldn't have bothered with more than one or two posts. if you weren't going to have a nice discussion after that, it becomes evident that you are trolling.

and incidentally, i registered almost 4 years ago and still dont have 1000 posts. i'd say that's a pretty low post rate.
 
Heh...I think that article that EricMartello 'found' was created by him. The website in his profile, pricerio.com and holomaxx.com are both registered to the same person, and hosted at the same place...

Registrant:
holoMaXx technologies (HOLOMAXX-DOM)
PO Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136-1921
US

Domain Name: HOLOMAXX.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
technologies, holoMaXx (JKXXVLBLXI) SsZERO.noSpam@holomaxx.com

PO Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
215.816.5024 801.761.4201

Record expires on 26-Jan-2004.
Record created on 26-Jan-2000.
Database last updated on 28-Apr-2003 00:30:01 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.APOLLOHOSTING.COM 216.147.43.193
NS2.APOLLOHOSTING.COM 216.147.1.144

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Domain Name: pricerio.com
Registrar: NAMESYSTEM.COM, INC.

Registrant:
technologies, holoMaXx SsZERO@holomaxx.com
holoMaXx technologies
P.O. Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
Phone: 2158165024
Fax:

Administrative:
technologies, holoMaXx SsZERO@holomaxx.com
holoMaXx technologies
P.O. Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
Phone: 2158165024
Fax:

Technical:
technologies, holoMaXx SsZERO@holomaxx.com
holoMaXx technologies
P.O. Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
Phone: 2158165024
Fax:

Billing:
technologies, holoMaXx SsZERO@holomaxx.com
holoMaXx technologies
P.O. Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
Phone: 2158165024
Fax:

Record created: 2002-08-16 15:13:04
Record expires: 2003-08-16 17:13:04

Domain Name Servers:

ns.apollohosting.com
ns2.apollohosting.com
216.147.43.193
216.147.1.144




Can you say TROLL?

 
What a dork you are. Pricerio is a site for review sites...and I happen to be starting my own site soon. No, I do not work for pricerio or have anything to do with it, but I will be promoting my website through it.

Eric


Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
EricMartello, do you work for this pricerio.com place? Your profile says you are in Baltimore, which isn't far from me, but pricerio is registered in Philly. Of course the ISP or hosting company (running Linux) is in Baltimore. If you aren't actually working for pricerio, it sounds like an awful lot of work keeping up with it for a hobby. Not to mention, running it on an inferior platform like Linux is a bad idea. Ahh, never mind. Alabanza.com is a web hosting company. So instead of looking for the superior Windows hosting packages, you went with an inferior Linux package. How strange.

As far as redundancy goes, what kind of internet connections does your employer have? You have gathered that information while you cleaned his garbage cans right? Let me guess, Business DSL? How about an OC-3 and a satellite connection for redundancy? Or just a couple of T-1s from different providers? If you have anything but the middle choice, you are fooling yourself about redundancy.

Got a couple of enterprise ready firewalls in an High Availability mode? How about a hot-site 300-600 miles away? All of your databases have hot backups? Hot spares? The UPS systems last long enough for your generators to kick on? Because we know that even power connections to 4 different grids still is not enough. And one of the most over looked parts of redundancy, do you have enough administrators that most of them can call in sick, die, disappear, get abducted, get arrested, get deported, whatever, and still have a 100% operational site?

If you can answer these questions well, and you obviously know all of the answers, I would love to hear about your truely redundant IDS setup. My IDS fetish is starting to kick back in. The thought of unreleased products in my grubby (because I have too many posts to shower, even with the increadibly cut down amount of time I spend here) hands is making me giggle like a school girl high on caffiene.
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FYI, the Holomaxx company owns pricerio, a website which I signed up for as an affiliate to help get traffic to my site when I build it.

Eric


Originally posted by: Vortex
Heh...I think that article that EricMartello 'found' was created by him. The website in his profile, pricerio.com and holomaxx.com are both registered to the same person, and hosted at the same place...

Registrant:
holoMaXx technologies (HOLOMAXX-DOM)
PO Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136-1921
US

Domain Name: HOLOMAXX.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
technologies, holoMaXx (JKXXVLBLXI) SsZERO.noSpam@holomaxx.com

PO Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
215.816.5024 801.761.4201

Record expires on 26-Jan-2004.
Record created on 26-Jan-2000.
Database last updated on 28-Apr-2003 00:30:01 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.APOLLOHOSTING.COM 216.147.43.193
NS2.APOLLOHOSTING.COM 216.147.1.144

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Domain Name: pricerio.com
Registrar: NAMESYSTEM.COM, INC.

Registrant:
technologies, holoMaXx SsZERO@holomaxx.com
holoMaXx technologies
P.O. Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
Phone: 2158165024
Fax:

Administrative:
technologies, holoMaXx SsZERO@holomaxx.com
holoMaXx technologies
P.O. Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
Phone: 2158165024
Fax:

Technical:
technologies, holoMaXx SsZERO@holomaxx.com
holoMaXx technologies
P.O. Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
Phone: 2158165024
Fax:

Billing:
technologies, holoMaXx SsZERO@holomaxx.com
holoMaXx technologies
P.O. Box 11107
Philadelphia, PA 19136
US
Phone: 2158165024
Fax:

Record created: 2002-08-16 15:13:04
Record expires: 2003-08-16 17:13:04

Domain Name Servers:

ns.apollohosting.com
ns2.apollohosting.com
216.147.43.193
216.147.1.144




Can you say TROLL?
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Oh yeah, keen detective skills there chang pow ding wang bong. That MUST be it.

Eric

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
So either he or a friend of his in philly wrote that article. Nice. What an ass.
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Check out Apollohosting.com
Haha what a lamer. Do you suppose he got the 13.96 dollar a month hosting, or the 47.96 dollar a month virtual private server.

OR do you suppose that he sprung for the 199.00 dollar a month dedicated LINUX/apache server? hahaha

GJ, Vortex. I wouldn't of guessed to hit him up on a whois server!
 
I got neither, moron. I have my own server, which I am going to colocate as soon as I find a place I like. Man, the smarter you try to be, the more you prove how stupid you really are.

Eric

Originally posted by: drag
Check out Apollohosting.com
Haha what a lamer. Do you suppose he got the 13.96 dollar a month hosting, or the 47.96 dollar a month virtual private server.

OR do you suppose that he sprung for the 199.00 dollar a month dedicated LINUX/apache server? hahaha

GJ, Vortex. I wouldn't of guessed to hit him up on a whois server!
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Originally posted by: EricMartello
What's wrong? The egg-roll forums down again?

Eric

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Originally posted by: StuckMojo
my reference to your postcount was not an attack on your intelligence.
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Ah yes, I believe he takes care of that himself 😉
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Haha, yes, I am eating eggrolls as we speak actually, wiping them all over my non-bathed body as I whine to my parents (who I live with) about how I can't get laid. Funny how I mention that you attack your own intelligence, and as a comeback, you make a racist remark to a white guy. And why are you even bothering with us, oh dirty citizens of the aol of hardware forums? Aren't you too busy showering and getting laid, paying rent and using the aol of operating systems?
 
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