Georgia GOP Gov. Candidate Allegedly Behind Voter Purge

[soulcougher73]

Id say im shocked, but its becoming such a common tactic of the GOP im just not shocked anymore.

When you cant beat em, cheat em.

 

[pauldun170]

In Republican America, politicians pick voters.

I liked this post so much I came back later to say how much I liked this post.
I really like this post.

 

[sandorski]

Legalize Pot, then fill the prisons with the Politicians pulling this shit.

 

[dainthomas]

Why is it that individual states get to pass laws regarding federal elections? (i.e. laws regarding necessary id).

Well there was this thing called the Voting Rights Act, but you know, the Confederate states are all good now so it wasn't necessary any more.

 

[Jhhnn]

Probably because they read the entire story and not just the thread title. There is an accusation, and an explanation. Most here will assume the accusation is absolutely correct and the rebuttal is propaganda from the racist right.

"To protect against voter fraud"... is bullshit & you know it.

 

[esquared]

Because the individual states each run their own elections & have from the beginning. It's traditional & was abused even more egregiously in the past. What we're seeing today from the GOP is the Jim Crow comeback tour. The GOP leadership promotes it for their own greedy & wretched reasons while the rank & file goes along because they're afraid to lose. I mean, you know, as if Libs are some king of horrible monsters or something.

Georgia already tried this earlier with Randolph County.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/georgia-county-scraps-plan-close-most-polling-places-n903691

They couldn't be more blatant in what they're trying to do.

 

[blackangst1]

Do other countries require you to register to vote?

How the hell can you require people to have an address to vote? How is that not a clear violation of the constitution? I'm sure this doesn't apply for military living on base or over seas...

Many countries require proper ID to vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...log.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.03e3ac49e657

Do other democracies require voters to carry photo IDs when they vote?

Many do, but the laws aren’t as strict as those in Texas and South Carolina.

Poll workers in Ireland can ask voters for proof of identity, but voters have a choice of “five different forms of photo ID, in addition to bank books, credit cards, checkbooks and marriage certificates.”

“In Switzerland, every registered voter is sent a registration card prior to an election, and if the voter brings her registration card to the polling place, no additional identification is needed.”

“Canada permits any voter who lacks one of the allowed forms of photo identification to present two of forty-five other forms of identification or documentation that have the voter’s name and address on at least one. Acceptable documents include leases, student transcripts, and utility bills.”

Sweden’s policy is a bit more vague, requiring that a “voter who is not known to the voting clerks [produce] an identity document or in another way verify her or his identity.”

“India allows the use of fifteen different types of identification, ranging from property documents to arms licenses to income tax identity cards. Included, too, are forms of identification most likely to be possessed by the poor.... For instance, voters can present ration cards issued to the poor to allow them to buy food staples and kerosene oil at subsidized prices.”

That’s in addition to many countries that don’t require ID to vote, such as “Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom (with the exception of Northern Ireland),” the authors wrote.

They also pointed out that in many other countries, it’s much easier to obtain identification than it is in the United States because ID cards are issued to all citizens automatically:

“Countries such as Spain, Greece, France, Malta, Belgium, and Italy provide national identity documents to their citizens to use for many purposes, including travel, banking, and healthcare access as well as voting.”
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Many, not all. So our voting laws are not really that off track.

 

[Zorba]

Many countries require proper ID to vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...log.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.03e3ac49e657

Do other democracies require voters to carry photo IDs when they vote?

Many do, but the laws aren’t as strict as those in Texas and South Carolina.

Poll workers in Ireland can ask voters for proof of identity, but voters have a choice of “five different forms of photo ID, in addition to bank books, credit cards, checkbooks and marriage certificates.”

“In Switzerland, every registered voter is sent a registration card prior to an election, and if the voter brings her registration card to the polling place, no additional identification is needed.”

“Canada permits any voter who lacks one of the allowed forms of photo identification to present two of forty-five other forms of identification or documentation that have the voter’s name and address on at least one. Acceptable documents include leases, student transcripts, and utility bills.”

Sweden’s policy is a bit more vague, requiring that a “voter who is not known to the voting clerks [produce] an identity document or in another way verify her or his identity.”

“India allows the use of fifteen different types of identification, ranging from property documents to arms licenses to income tax identity cards. Included, too, are forms of identification most likely to be possessed by the poor.... For instance, voters can present ration cards issued to the poor to allow them to buy food staples and kerosene oil at subsidized prices.”

That’s in addition to many countries that don’t require ID to vote, such as “Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom (with the exception of Northern Ireland),” the authors wrote.

They also pointed out that in many other countries, it’s much easier to obtain identification than it is in the United States because ID cards are issued to all citizens automatically:

“Countries such as Spain, Greece, France, Malta, Belgium, and Italy provide national identity documents to their citizens to use for many purposes, including travel, banking, and healthcare access as well as voting.”
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Many, not all. So our voting laws are not really that off track.

That is an interesting read, but I was more curious about the specific requirement to pre-register. It seems like at least some of those countries require it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Many countries require proper ID to vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...log.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.03e3ac49e657

Do other democracies require voters to carry photo IDs when they vote?

Many do, but the laws aren’t as strict as those in Texas and South Carolina.

Poll workers in Ireland can ask voters for proof of identity, but voters have a choice of “five different forms of photo ID, in addition to bank books, credit cards, checkbooks and marriage certificates.”

“In Switzerland, every registered voter is sent a registration card prior to an election, and if the voter brings her registration card to the polling place, no additional identification is needed.”

“Canada permits any voter who lacks one of the allowed forms of photo identification to present two of forty-five other forms of identification or documentation that have the voter’s name and address on at least one. Acceptable documents include leases, student transcripts, and utility bills.”

Sweden’s policy is a bit more vague, requiring that a “voter who is not known to the voting clerks [produce] an identity document or in another way verify her or his identity.”

“India allows the use of fifteen different types of identification, ranging from property documents to arms licenses to income tax identity cards. Included, too, are forms of identification most likely to be possessed by the poor.... For instance, voters can present ration cards issued to the poor to allow them to buy food staples and kerosene oil at subsidized prices.”

That’s in addition to many countries that don’t require ID to vote, such as “Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom (with the exception of Northern Ireland),” the authors wrote.

They also pointed out that in many other countries, it’s much easier to obtain identification than it is in the United States because ID cards are issued to all citizens automatically:

“Countries such as Spain, Greece, France, Malta, Belgium, and Italy provide national identity documents to their citizens to use for many purposes, including travel, banking, and healthcare access as well as voting.”
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Many, not all. So our voting laws are not really that off track.

First, gin up paranoia among the faithful about the voter fraud boogeyman. Then engage in voter suppression to fight it, as if it exists to any appreciable extent in the first place. Cue various apologisms, like yours.

 

[fskimospy]

Many countries require proper ID to vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...log.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.03e3ac49e657

Do other democracies require voters to carry photo IDs when they vote?

Many do, but the laws aren’t as strict as those in Texas and South Carolina.

Poll workers in Ireland can ask voters for proof of identity, but voters have a choice of “five different forms of photo ID, in addition to bank books, credit cards, checkbooks and marriage certificates.”

“In Switzerland, every registered voter is sent a registration card prior to an election, and if the voter brings her registration card to the polling place, no additional identification is needed.”

“Canada permits any voter who lacks one of the allowed forms of photo identification to present two of forty-five other forms of identification or documentation that have the voter’s name and address on at least one. Acceptable documents include leases, student transcripts, and utility bills.”

Sweden’s policy is a bit more vague, requiring that a “voter who is not known to the voting clerks [produce] an identity document or in another way verify her or his identity.”

“India allows the use of fifteen different types of identification, ranging from property documents to arms licenses to income tax identity cards. Included, too, are forms of identification most likely to be possessed by the poor.... For instance, voters can present ration cards issued to the poor to allow them to buy food staples and kerosene oil at subsidized prices.”

That’s in addition to many countries that don’t require ID to vote, such as “Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom (with the exception of Northern Ireland),” the authors wrote.

They also pointed out that in many other countries, it’s much easier to obtain identification than it is in the United States because ID cards are issued to all citizens automatically:

“Countries such as Spain, Greece, France, Malta, Belgium, and Italy provide national identity documents to their citizens to use for many purposes, including travel, banking, and healthcare access as well as voting.”
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Many, not all. So our voting laws are not really that off track.

I feel like the more relevant question though is if it's a good idea. I have never heard a single logical argument as to why it is.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Many countries require proper ID to vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...log.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.03e3ac49e657

Do other democracies require voters to carry photo IDs when they vote?

Many do, but the laws aren’t as strict as those in Texas and South Carolina.

Poll workers in Ireland can ask voters for proof of identity, but voters have a choice of “five different forms of photo ID, in addition to bank books, credit cards, checkbooks and marriage certificates.”

“In Switzerland, every registered voter is sent a registration card prior to an election, and if the voter brings her registration card to the polling place, no additional identification is needed.”

“Canada permits any voter who lacks one of the allowed forms of photo identification to present two of forty-five other forms of identification or documentation that have the voter’s name and address on at least one. Acceptable documents include leases, student transcripts, and utility bills.”

Sweden’s policy is a bit more vague, requiring that a “voter who is not known to the voting clerks [produce] an identity document or in another way verify her or his identity.”

“India allows the use of fifteen different types of identification, ranging from property documents to arms licenses to income tax identity cards. Included, too, are forms of identification most likely to be possessed by the poor.... For instance, voters can present ration cards issued to the poor to allow them to buy food staples and kerosene oil at subsidized prices.”

That’s in addition to many countries that don’t require ID to vote, such as “Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom (with the exception of Northern Ireland),” the authors wrote.

They also pointed out that in many other countries, it’s much easier to obtain identification than it is in the United States because ID cards are issued to all citizens automatically:

“Countries such as Spain, Greece, France, Malta, Belgium, and Italy provide national identity documents to their citizens to use for many purposes, including travel, banking, and healthcare access as well as voting.”
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Many, not all. So our voting laws are not really that off track.

Now go see what ID aid acceptable to vote in many countries. The list in Canada has about 50 items. Two needed if you don’t have photo ID.

Then ask why the states that do this make it so damn restrictive to what one can use.

 

[Jhhnn]

I feel like the more relevant question though is if it's a good idea. I have never heard a single logical argument as to why it is.

To pertekt against the dreaded boogeyman of voter fraud. I't's kinda like reefer madness, only different.

 

[dainthomas]

I feel like the more relevant question though is if it's a good idea. I have never heard a single logical argument as to why it is.

We have to do anything we can to stop the 3-4 cases of voter fraud every year! If that requires disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters, so be it!

 

[blackangst1]

I feel like the more relevant question though is if it's a good idea. I have never heard a single logical argument as to why it is.

Ive always though you an intelligent man. However, for the life of me, I dont understand why you cant answer this yourself, and the possibilities of NOT having some kind of voter ID law in place.

 

[blackangst1]

Now go see what ID aid acceptable to vote in many countries. The list in Canada has about 50 items. Two needed if you don’t have photo ID.

Then ask why the states that do this make it so damn restrictive to what one can use.

That wasnt the question. It was what countries require ID. As far as what is considered proper ID is another story.

 

[fskimospy]

Ive always though you an intelligent man. However, for the life of me, I dont understand why you cant answer this yourself, and the possibilities of NOT having some kind of voter ID law in place.

I can't answer it myself because there is no logical argument for voter ID. The purpose of voter ID is to prevent a crime that for all intents and purposes doesn't exist, which is irrational.

 

[blackangst1]

I can't answer it myself because there is no logical argument for voter ID. The purpose of voter ID is to prevent a crime that for all intents and purposes doesn't exist, which is irrational.

Do you agree it IS possible though?

 

[fskimospy]

Do you agree it IS possible though?

Sure, anything is possible. The fact remains however that it simply almost never happens. The reasons for this should be fairly obvious too - it is the easiest way to get caught of any type of voter fraud and it yields almost no benefit for stealing an election as it’s a single vote. That’s way too inefficient and dangerous for anyone serious about fraud to attempt.

We do know however that voter ID laws prevent significant numbers of legal voters from casting a vote so these laws have real costs. If a law has significant costs and yields no benefit it is an irrational law. That’s why there is no logical argument for voter ID.

 

[dainthomas]

Do you agree it IS possible though?

"So you're saying there's a chance?!?"

 

[blackangst1]

Sure, anything is possible. The fact remains however that it simply almost never happens. The reasons for this should be fairly obvious too - it is the easiest way to get caught of any type of voter fraud and it yields almost no benefit for stealing an election as it’s a single vote. That’s way too inefficient and dangerous for anyone serious about fraud to attempt.

We do know however that voter ID laws prevent significant numbers of legal voters from casting a vote so these laws have real costs. If a law has significant costs and yields no benefit it is an irrational law. That’s why there is no logical argument for voter ID.

Ive never been one who supports that in-person voter fraud is a major thing. I know its not. However, with something as important as voting, it is my opinion you should have some sort of ID to prove your identity. Just my opinion.

And for the record, it is also my opinion that state issued ID (with the normal proofs needed) should be FREE. That would alleviate some of the complaints on the left.

 

[fskimospy]

Ive never been one who supports that in-person voter fraud is a major thing. I know its not. However, with something as important as voting, it is my opinion you should have some sort of ID to prove your identity. Just my opinion.

And for the record, it is also my opinion that state issued ID (with the normal proofs needed) should be FREE. That would alleviate some of the complaints on the left.

A lot of people, especially poorer and older people, lack the necessary documents to get an ID. I can’t think of a reason why we should prevent them from voting in order to require IDs to stop something we all agree isn’t an issue

 

[blackangst1]

A lot of people, especially poorer and older people, lack the necessary documents to get an ID. I can’t think of a reason why we should prevent them from voting in order to require IDs to stop something we all agree isn’t an issue

I guess Im distrustful of people that can just walk in and say "hi, Im John Doe. I cant prove it but its my name and Im 37 years old".

Personal opinion.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I guess Im distrustful of people that can just walk in and say "hi, Im John Doe. I cant prove it but its my name and Im 37 years old".

Personal opinion.

Mind telling us who is promoting that scenario? Please provide examples.

 

[blackangst1]

Mind telling us who is promoting that scenario? Please provide examples.

Im not aware of anyone promoting it per se. I will admit my opinion is based on the fact I live in southern AZ, where illegal immigration really IS a problem. Many of the largest most powerful gangs in the US come from Mexico, and Phoenix/Tuscon is at least a transition city for them. It would make their transition into the US much easier if they could just walk into DMV and get an ID with no documentation needed.

And if you think that isnt a major issue, consider the majority of our country's meth and opioids come over the border.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/11/mexico-cartels-meth/1626383/
https://delphihealthgroup.com/blog/where-do-opioids-come-from/

 

[woolfe9998]

A question for those of you who view in person voter fraud as a serious issue. Do you think it's worth the risk of federal prison to cast an extra vote?

It's one thing if you can hack an electronic system and change thousands of votes. But the risk-benefit calculus for in person voter fraud is basically a joke. Only a brain dead moron would even consider such a thing.