Georgia GOP Gov. Candidate Allegedly Behind Voter Purge

[dainthomas]

Im not aware of anyone promoting it per se. I will admit my opinion is based on the fact I live in southern AZ, where illegal immigration really IS a problem. Many of the largest most powerful gangs in the US come from Mexico, and Phoenix/Tuscon is at least a transition city for them. It would make their transition into the US much easier if they could just walk into DMV and get an ID with no documentation needed.

And if you think that isnt a major issue, consider the majority of our country's meth and opioids come over the border.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/11/mexico-cartels-meth/1626383/
https://delphihealthgroup.com/blog/where-do-opioids-come-from/

If Mexican drug gangs are voting in Arizona, they're doing a horrible job at it given that elected officials there are overwhelmingly right wing anti-immigrant crazies.

 

[blackangst1]

If Mexican drug gangs are voting in Arizona, they're doing a horrible job at it given that elected officials there are overwhelmingly right wing anti-immigrant crazies.

Sorry, I wasnt implying that. I kind of derailed the convo by talking about ID laws, but I dint mean to imply there is massive voter fraud in AZ. Sorry if that seemed implied.

edit: and AZ is pretty well represented DvsR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona's_congressional_districts

 

[Jhhnn]

Im not aware of anyone promoting it per se. I will admit my opinion is based on the fact I live in southern AZ, where illegal immigration really IS a problem. Many of the largest most powerful gangs in the US come from Mexico, and Phoenix/Tuscon is at least a transition city for them. It would make their transition into the US much easier if they could just walk into DMV and get an ID with no documentation needed.

And if you think that isnt a major issue, consider the majority of our country's meth and opioids come over the border.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/11/mexico-cartels-meth/1626383/
https://delphihealthgroup.com/blog/where-do-opioids-come-from/

Moving the goalposts? Obviously.

 

[blackangst1]

Moving the goalposts? Obviously.

? WTF are you talking about? More nonsense?

 

[Aikouka]

And for the record, it is also my opinion that state issued ID (with the normal proofs needed) should be FREE. That would alleviate some of the complaints on the left.

The cost isn't really the only issue and sometimes may not be the biggest issue. For some, these people have no driver's license, which is why they need the state-issued ID instead. However, their smaller town and its surrounding area may not have an office where they can even get one. This happened... I think it was last year when Alabama closed a bunch of offices in lower-income areas. So, these people may need to get an ID, but they have no logistical way of getting one.

 

[Jhhnn]

? WTF are you talking about? More nonsense?

From voting to illegal mexican rapists & drug smuggling gang members getting state ID?

 

[blackangst1]

From voting to illegal mexican rapists & drug smuggling gang members getting state ID?

I never said anything about rapists, and the rest, well...the point WHOOSHED right over your head.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That wasnt the question. It was what countries require ID. As far as what is considered proper ID is another story.

It is part of the question when the countries don’t have nearly the restrictive ID requirements. Sure many countries require some form of identifying process. The problem is you are comparing the restrictive requirements that the GOP puts on voting with very liberal requirements elsewhere.

I see now that was part of the article though and I digress

 

[Jhhnn]

I never said anything about rapists, and the rest, well...the point WHOOSHED right over your head.

Heh. None of what you said had a damned thing to do with voter purges in Georgia but I'm sure it felt good saying it.

 

[blackangst1]

It is part of the question when the countries don’t have nearly the restrictive ID requirements. Sure many countries require some form of identifying process. The problem is you are comparing the restrictive requirements that the GOP puts on voting with very liberal requirements elsewhere.

I see now that was part of the article though and I digress

I have previously said as a start Id like to see free state ID for anyone (with proper proofs). That could be a start. So what that means is I dont support restrictive requirements, but I do support something to prove ID.

Is that clearer for you?

 

[VRAMdemon]

70% of Voters Purged from Rolls by GA Gubernatorial Candidate Brian Kemp Are Black

670,000 registrations were purged last year alone, and 53,000 voter registrations are currently sitting on hold on Kemp’s desk. While Georgia’s population is 32 percent black, the population Kemp has purged is almost 70 percent black.

Couldn't the Georgia electoral office issue some Community Service ads on the TV/radio/local FB sites in the months before to inform the people to expect an IMPORTANT REGISTRATION LETTER in the mail?

Honestly, with something so fundamentally important as the right to vote in an election, any election, a stupid semi-junkmail letter arriving without forewarning reeks of something shady and piscatorial.

 

[ivwshane]

Hey guys, I'd rather disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters of that means we can prevent one person from voting illegally, in person. If they vote illegally by mail, I don't care and I certainly won't hold politicians accountable who claim to care about voter fraud by questioning why none of their proposals address voter fraud by mail.

Yours truly

A pussified, intellectually lazy voter

/s

 

[Victorian Gray]

Im not aware of anyone promoting it per se. I will admit my opinion is based on the fact I live in southern AZ, where illegal immigration really IS a problem. Many of the largest most powerful gangs in the US come from Mexico, and Phoenix/Tuscon is at least a transition city for them. It would make their transition into the US much easier if they could just walk into DMV and get an ID with no documentation needed.

And if you think that isnt a major issue, consider the majority of our country's meth and opioids come over the border.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/11/mexico-cartels-meth/1626383/
https://delphihealthgroup.com/blog/where-do-opioids-come-from/

Looks like you're saying, "I made up a non existent situation so that I can be upset with it and now I'll simply start talking about other stuff." <shrug>

 

[blackangst1]

Looks like you're saying, "I made up a non existent situation so that I can be upset with it and now I'll simply start talking about other stuff." <shrug>

Just because something hasnt happened on a large scale doesnt mean it cant. What dont you understand about that?

Nevermind. Youre more of the reactive type. Fix it AFTER its a problem.

And I dont think its JUST about voting. There are other reasons as well, which Ive stated.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Just because something hasnt happened on a large scale doesnt mean it cant. What dont you understand about that?

There is no indication that it's a problem now, let alone a growing problem. What don't *you* understand about that. And, getting back to your original point, making up untrue examples of something that nobody is promoting simply to argue against it is nonsense.

Nevermind. Youre more of the reactive type. Fix it AFTER its a problem.

ROFL. And you seem to be someone who likes to make up problems that don't exist and then rail against them. Have fun bunky.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just because something hasnt happened on a large scale doesnt mean it cant. What dont you understand about that?

Nevermind. Youre more of the reactive type. Fix it AFTER its a problem.

And I dont think its JUST about voting. There are other reasons as well, which Ive stated.

Yeh, it's always good to fix an imaginary problem, particularly when the collateral damage is really the intended result.

The GOP has a minority cadre of voters who vote the way Muslims pray to Mecca. More voters just dilutes their influence so they'll get all chickenshit every chance they get to prevent that from happening. They don't want everybody to vote & said so nearly 40 years ago-

Paul Weyrich - Goo-Goo Syndrome (proper audio/video synchronization) - YouTube

 

[soundforbjt]

Georgia NAACP to file suit, Kemp himself has purged 20% of the population of Georgia from voting.

 

[fskimospy]

Just because something hasnt happened on a large scale doesnt mean it cant. What dont you understand about that?

Nevermind. Youre more of the reactive type. Fix it AFTER its a problem.

This doesn’t make much sense. We have had countless thousands of elections in this country, the vast majority without any voter ID requirements. This means we have an excellent grasp on what sorts of things people do in order to try and steal elections and voter impersonation isn’t one of them.

Not implementing voter ID laws isn’t being reactive, it’s being smart. If there are significant costs to something and no benefits you don’t do it. I thought conservatives were all against wasteful spending and pointless laws?

 

[soundforbjt]

This doesn’t make much sense. We have had countless thousands of elections in this country, the vast majority without any voter ID requirements. This means we have an excellent grasp on what sorts of things people do in order to try and steal elections and voter impersonation isn’t one of them.

Not implementing voter ID laws isn’t being reactive, it’s being smart. If there are significant costs to something and no benefits you don’t do it. I thought conservatives were all against wasteful spending and pointless laws?

Not if it keeps them in power.

 

[HomerJS]

70% of Voters Purged from Rolls by GA Gubernatorial Candidate Brian Kemp Are Black



Couldn't the Georgia electoral office issue some Community Service ads on the TV/radio/local FB sites in the months before to inform the people to expect an IMPORTANT REGISTRATION LETTER in the mail?

Honestly, with something so fundamentally important as the right to vote in an election, any election, a stupid semi-junkmail letter arriving without forewarning reeks of something shady and piscatorial.

You are assuming Republicans want minorities to vote.

 

[zerocool84]

Just remember how many people that Trump voter fraud squad found?

Oh yea, nothing, and they shut it down because there is no widespread voter fraud.

 

[theeedude]

Republican SCOTUS is rigging North Dakota race for Republicans too:
https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...-allows-north-dakota-to-enforce-voter-id-laws

The request to toss out the order came from a group of Native American residents who are challenging a new state law that requires voters to present identification that includes a current residential street address.
The challengers argued the new rule disenfranchises a disproportionate share of the population because many Native American voters live on reservations without standard addresses.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I'm starting to feel that the bulk of my ATPN posts start with "how is this legal...?"

I understand the need to make sure voter rolls are maintained, but how is it legal for an incumbent to purge voter rolls just before a major election?

Did he find an old sticky note between his papers, slap his hand to his forehead and say "Oh crap I knew I forgot something!"

Additionally, if they can prove residency, why not allow a potential voter to register and vote on election day? Why do elections have to happen on just one day...

 

[HomerJS]

Stacey Abrams campaign demands GOP's Kemp resign as Georgia secretary of state amid voter registration uproar

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/11/poli...ion-voter-registration-abrams-kemp/index.html

 

[fskimospy]

I'm starting to feel that the bulk of my ATPN posts start with "how is this legal...?"

I understand the need to make sure voter rolls are maintained, but how is it legal for an incumbent to purge voter rolls just before a major election?

Did he find an old sticky note between his papers, slap his hand to his forehead and say "Oh crap I knew I forgot something!"

Additionally, if they can prove residency, why not allow a potential voter to register and vote on election day? Why do elections have to happen on just one day...

Once you realize that one of the two parties in the election has a vested interest in as few people as possible voting all of this will make a lot more sense.

If you look at any Republican actions on voting basically anywhere in the country almost all of them are in the direction of making it more difficult to vote. This is not an accident, they know they are a minority party comprised of particularly high turnout voters. The only way they can keep power is by making voting progressively more difficult so that only their high turnout voters remain. They aren't even particularly secretive that this is their plan.