Georgia Democrats to propose limitations on vasectomies for men

[ShawnD1]

Has any mother who, say, was involved in a motor vehicle accident in which her child died been charged with that child's death where the accident was not her fault or due to her negligence?

You counter an example of criminal neglect by saying "oh well it's not neglect if it's not her fault." What about when it is her fault? You completely dodged the question because you know you are wrong.

Take a realistic scenario and see if your logic of "fetus = baby" makes sense. Think of something where a parent would be charged with negligence when their child dies. How about forcing a baby to have a vegan diet? link. Parent forces vegan diet even though they know it's unhealthy, baby dies from vitamin problems, parent is charged with being a baby killing murderer. That actually happens. In your world, this would also apply to miscarriages caused by poor diet. When a woman has a miscarriage caused by poor diet, she would be charged with neglect.

What about miscarriages caused by caffeine? We've known for many many years that caffeine causes miscarriages. Women are explicitly told not to drink coffee (or alcohol) while pregnant. In your fucked up republican dystopia, every single miscarriage would be a murder investigation. Did the woman drink coffee while pregnant? If so, she's guilty of neglect or something similar. After all, it's pretty much 100% certain that a mother would be charged with murder or neglect if she bottle fed coffee to her child and the child died from it.


btw these are all real world examples. Mothers HAVE been charged with criminal neglect when their baby is born with drugs in their system.
http://www.wmctv.com/story/16342431...-newborn-tests-positive-for-cocaine-marijuana

Terrikah Clinton gave birth to a baby boy on November 19 at Methodist South Hospital. Investigators said her son tested positive for cocaine and marijuana.

Clinton is charged with reckless endangerment.

Alright I get that. It's endangerment because that's an actual baby that was born. It has full human status and it is protected by laws. In your world, this would also extend to fetuses. Fetus dies from coffee? Criminal charges. Fetus dies from vitamin problems? Criminal charges.

 

[Mursilis]

Yes, I oppose rape.

I'll start with the abortion topic. I personally don't agree with abortion, but let me elaborate because you brought up the topic of rape. If a woman is raped, then I would be supportive in her decision, putting my own morals aside. Only the strongest of women could look at that child day after day after day and not let the memory of how the child was conceived adversely affect her and the child's life, IMO.

Rape is forcing an otherwise consenting individual into sexual intercourse. Abortion is destroying a fetus before it becomes a individual. An obvious difference, and ethics come into play when deciding the point at which the fetus becomes an individual. Which is why the debate rages on.

Why do you disagree with abortion, but also state that the fetus is destroyed before it becomes an "individual" (and what's that, exactly?)? If the fetus is not an "individual", why would you not agree with abortion? Plenty of liposuctions involve the removal and destruction of far more cells than are typically destroyed by an abortion, and I've never heard of someone finding liposuction to be morally wrong.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why do you disagree with abortion, but also state that the fetus is destroyed before it becomes an "individual" (and what's that, exactly?)? If the fetus is not an "individual", why would you not agree with abortion? Plenty of liposuctions involve the removal and destruction of far more cells than are typically destroyed by an abortion, and I've never heard of someone finding liposuction to be morally wrong.

Because I understand that my ethics are not everyone else's, that's why. While abortion would not be an option for me, others may choose to do it precisely because they don't view the fetus the same as I do. Understanding other's view points may not agree yours, simple. I chose the terms i did precisely because of that.