Georgia Democrats to propose limitations on vasectomies for men

[MotF Bane]

Now will they realize the hypocrisy of drug laws? I won't hold my breath.

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[hal2kilo]

Now will they realize the hypocrisy of drug laws? I won't hold my breath.

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Too much para-military police infrastucture built upon the drugs laws for that to happen.

 

[Atreus21]

Most Dem's do, in my XP. The logic used begets the real battle, when is a baby consider an individual life and not a fetus. Repubs use feelings and beliefs to determine this, Dems use science. The battle continues...

Science can't answer that question. Philosophy makes an attempt.

Frankly, I have no shame in involving emotion in the debate, especially since I've had kids. I can imagine murdering my own children. And that makes me emotional.

 

[hal2kilo]

Science can't answer that question. Philosophy makes an attempt.

I actually agree with you on something.

 

[Atreus21]

I actually agree with you on something.

 

[SNC]

Are there really people that view NOT getting someone pregnant the same as killing an unborn child?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Science can't answer that question. Philosophy makes an attempt.

Frankly, I have no shame in involving emotion in the debate, especially since I've had kids. I can imagine murdering my own children. And that makes me emotional.

Many people don't share your view. I have 2 kids, abortion was never considered. But you can't apply your beliefs to everyone when it comes the some things. Science will have to be the deciding factor, like it or not.

 

[Atreus21]

Many people don't share your view. I have 2 kids, abortion was never considered. But you can't apply your beliefs to everyone when it comes the some things. Science will have to be the deciding factor, like it or not.

As I said, science can't answer questions like this. The definition of a human being is in the realm of philosophy.

I don't apply my beliefs to everyone when it comes to abortion. I simply tell them not to lecture me about my emotional involvement. When it comes to killing one's own children, you can bet your ass I'm emotionally involved.

 

[ShawnD1]

Are there really people that view NOT getting someone pregnant the same as killing an unborn child?

Well, let me put on my white coat and reading glasses so we can compare the two.

Sperm is a lot like this:

It's a tiny living thing that moves around with its tail or "flagellum" as we in the biz call it.

A fetus is like this:

It's a parasite that drains nutrients. It grows stronger as you grow weaker. With enough time, this parasite grows so large that the woman has trouble walking and making sandwiches. Eventually it must be forcibly remove from the system or the mother will explode.

You're trying to tell me that it's wrong to kill 1 parasite but it's not wrong to slay millions of sperm? You think your wife's t-shirt is a cum rag, but I like to think of it as a concentration camp. A concentrated sperm camp.

 

[etrigan420]

I can imagine murdering my own children.

D:

 

[ch33zw1z]

As I said, science can't answer questions like this. The definition of a human being is in the realm of philosophy.

I don't apply my beliefs to everyone when it comes to abortion. I simply tell them not to lecture me about my emotional involvement. When it comes to killing one's own children, you can bet your ass I'm emotionally involved.

Oh, I read it. I just don't agree. Define child.

 

[ch33zw1z]

D:

I was trying to assume he meant "can't"....because if I try to do that, I start getting physically ill.

 

[Mursilis]

Many people don't share your view. I have 2 kids, abortion was never considered. But you can't apply your beliefs to everyone when it comes the some things. Science will have to be the deciding factor, like it or not.

You're asking science to answer an ethical question? You seem to be confused.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You're asking science to answer an ethical question? You seem to be confused.

No, I'm asking for a scientific definition for when a fetus becomes a baby. And maybe I am confused? Do you know?

 

[Mursilis]

No, I'm asking for a scientific definition for when a fetus becomes a baby. And maybe I am confused? Do you know?

Well, dictionary.com defines baby as a human fetus, so there you go.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well, dictionary.com defines baby as a human fetus, so there you go.

Thanks for exercising your google skills... How do you define a baby?

My point is you can't globally apply an ethical definition to everyone. Some say as soon as the egg is fertilized, some say when the baby is delivered. You can either have an abortion or you can't. When pro-life people start to pick at it and try to create laws like the one in the article then it starts to create more questions than answers. They want to throw people in jail who have an abortion after 20 weeks. Well, that's nice, but it's seems as if an ethical definition is being apply to the law.

 

[Mursilis]

Thanks for exercising your google skills... How do you define a baby?

A very young human.

 

[hal2kilo]

No, I'm asking for a scientific definition for when a fetus becomes a baby. And maybe I am confused? Do you know?

How will we ever know when the zygote/fetus is sentient? They are saving premies at ridiculously low weights now (Doctors playing hero/god, most end up really fucked up).

I really don't think science can answer that question.

 

[ch33zw1z]

A very young human.

Which starts when?

 

[QuantumPion]

Well, let me put on my white coat and reading glasses so we can compare the two.



It's a parasite that drains nutrients. It grows stronger as you grow weaker. With enough time, this parasite grows so large that the woman has trouble walking and making sandwiches. Eventually it must be forcibly remove from the system or the mother will explode.

You're trying to tell me that it's wrong to kill 1 parasite but it's not wrong to slay millions of sperm? You think your wife's t-shirt is a cum rag, but I like to think of it as a concentration camp. A concentrated sperm camp.

Such fail. But I guess that's to be expected from pre high-school kids that have not taken a basic biology class yet. Here, allow me to clue you in: sperm are not human. They only have 23 chromosomes. Therefore, sperm are merely a part of you, like blood cells. A fetus is a human. It has complete and unique DNA which is different from both the mother and the father.

And if you want to make absurd comparisons to paraistes, well babies, after being born, are parasites too by your definition. So are teenagers. And the elderly. And welfare recipients. Just because one person is dependent on another person does not mean you have the right to kill them merely because it is inconvenient for you to support them.

 

[ElFenix]

Which starts when?

fetus vs. baby isn't the argument. the argument is whether a fetus counts as a human life that is worthy of state protection against its intentionally caused demise. and, if it ever does, when does the transition, if any, happen?

science can't answer that question. it can provide some context and maybe some support as to why certain aged fetuses should be protected, such as when can a fetus feel pain. but science cannot provide a complete answer to that question.

 

[ch33zw1z]

fetus vs. baby isn't the argument. the argument is whether a fetus counts as a human life that is worthy of state protection against its intentionally caused demise. and, if it ever does, when does the transition, if any, happen?

science can't answer that question. it can provide some context and maybe some support as to why certain aged fetuses should be protected, such as when can a fetus feel pain. but science cannot provide a complete answer to that question.

Understood, thanks for the quality reply. I still believe you can't legislate like they're trying to do in the article. You either can have abortions, or you can't. Ethics is what is attempting to be legislated, I do not agree.

Others have mentioned drugs and prostitution, both of which I believe should be legal...I personally wouldn't use either if legal...

 

[shortylickens]

What are these real issues, and what would you like them to do about them? Be specific. Also, if you have an idea for what you would like to be done, can you take a quick look and see if there is legislative or executive support that is sufficient to pass it?

Once you check out those things, this will all make much more sense. I hear a constant refrain on here about politicians 'wasting time'. Generally, that's a ridiculous statement. Bills don't usually pass or not pass because people ran out of time by accident; someone has deliberately run out the clock, there isn't enough support, etc, etc.

:wub:

 

[Jaskalas]

Are there really people that view NOT getting someone pregnant the same as killing an unborn child?

Far as they're concerned unborn children are nothing. Since all this is in protest against banning late term abortion, apparently they're fine with killing children up until the moment of birth.

Or, would that be the moment AFTER birth? Hard to tell where Dems draw the line when 20 weeks has them going nuclear.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Focusing solely on why men shouldn't be able to force women to have abortions: Fine, let's let men have a say in whether the fetus is aborted. As long as women get to decide if their sexual partners are required to get vasectomies.

I posted this in a thread yesterday morning. Yesterday evening, a Georgia congresswoman introduces a bill comparing abortions to vasectomies. The only conclusion I can draw is that my posts on Anandtech are directly responsible for all legislation in Georgia. Bearing that in mind, peaches aren't a real fruit, and henceforth, shall be known as "pitted crapples."

Also, it strikes me that legislative trolling is going to be laughably ineffective. At best, everyone will misrepresent your intent or just not understand the satire. At worst, your satirical bill will actually pass and then you'll have to wonder what the hell is wrong with all your co-workers.