thraashman
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I believe practicing Christianity is an immoral act and that we should not condone immoral acts.
You know what this means... HE"S GAY!!!! and the op also, I might add. Thats how these things always go... :Q
Is it really his job to be making decrees regarding homosexuality though?
You share his view? I'm shocked. :roll:
Well if it isn't the forum sheriff....
Don't let yer lassooo hitch ya where it hurts! YEEEE HAWWWWWWWWW!
Both you and General Pace are either criminally ignorant or fatally stupid. I either case, retired Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva may have something to say about your bigotry. You can hear the interview with him from NPR's All Things Considered.
Sgt. Alva lost a leg on the first day of Bush's tragic war of lies. What have you done for your country? :roll:
A general is getting in trouble for calling something immoral, even though the very "act" is listed as something military personal are not supposed to do.
Sounds like changes to the UCMJ needs to be made before the Pace would need to apologize for anything.
Sounds like changes to the UCMJ needs to be made before the Pace would need to apologize for anything.
well, what exactly constitutes a homosexual act? two guys buttfvcking? what about a male soldier who buttfvcks another female soldier?
Originally posted by: feralkid
You really need to ask?
so two guys engage in that activity it's immoral, but a straight guy and female do it and it's ok? Why is everything about homosexuals always about sex? America has some serious hangups, and for a country who love to live in other peoples bedrooms, it's quite perplexing
Sounds more like we need a change in the UCMJ that would respect the rights and privacy of troops willing to sacrafice life and limb for their country and fire bigoted homophobic pricks like Gen. Pace from any position of command authority.
Forget for a moment whether you are some sort of anti-gay bigot or someone who IS gay...do we really care about General Pace's opinion? Could this country maybe get past listening to people in visible positions opening their big yaps about things totally unrelated to why they are well known? General Pace is supposed to be running the military, not the morality police. God knows he could spend a little more time doing his job and a little less time judging what goes on in your bedroom. If he was talking about the best way to outfit a Marine division, I'd listen...but on this particular topic his opinion is about as useful as that of any random dumbass on the internet.
And while I've really become tired of arguing with the bigot brigade, I just feel compelled to remind you jokers that your arguments sound exactly like those made about black people 40 years ago, or women voting before that, or freeing the slaves before that, or pretty much anything like that in history where such views look stupidly backward now. In fact, often the arguments use EXACTLY the same words as those used by bigots of the past. And I know, I know, this time is different...except it's not, because I'm betting the racists with the firehoses in Alabama thought pretty much the same thing.
And while I've really become tired of arguing with the bigot brigade, I just feel compelled to remind you jokers that your arguments sound exactly like those made about black people 40 years ago, or women voting before that, or freeing the slaves before that, or pretty much anything like that in history where such views look stupidly backward now. In fact, often the arguments use EXACTLY the same words as those used by bigots of the past. And I know, I know, this time is different...except it's not, because I'm betting the racists with the firehoses in Alabama thought pretty much the same thing.
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: feralkid
You really need to ask?
so two guys engage in that activity it's immoral, but a straight guy and female do it and it's ok? Why is everything about homosexuals always about sex? America has some serious hangups, and for a country who love to live in other peoples bedrooms, it's quite perplexing
Actually it is also wrong for a male and felmale, at least in the military. So it is equally applied to all. I believe oral sex is also not allowed, along with having affairs with married people.
Does the military monitor what people do in their bedrooms? no. But they do in the barracks.
Now if a military personal got caught in any of the above acts, say in the backseat of a car - they would get in trouble.
But these rules are made publicly available, and it should be a surprise to anyone that an organization that regulates the amount of hair a person has, might have some rules concerning behavior outside of uniform (literally).
Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: feralkid
You really need to ask?
so two guys engage in that activity it's immoral, but a straight guy and female do it and it's ok? Why is everything about homosexuals always about sex? America has some serious hangups, and for a country who love to live in other peoples bedrooms, it's quite perplexing
Actually it is also wrong for a male and felmale, at least in the military. So it is equally applied to all. I believe oral sex is also not allowed, along with having affairs with married people.
Does the military monitor what people do in their bedrooms? no. But they do in the barracks.
Now if a military personal got caught in any of the above acts, say in the backseat of a car - they would get in trouble.
But these rules are made publicly available, and it should be a surprise to anyone that an organization that regulates the amount of hair a person has, might have some rules concerning behavior outside of uniform (literally).
so why target gays like they're part of some exclusive club of immoral behaviour? Gen Pace is probably surrounded by gays and he doesn't even know it. That's how clueless dumbfvcks like him are.
UberNeuman
Lifer
- Nov 4, 1999
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postmortemIA, you realize that there has always been homosexuals in military service in this country since the beginning..... What you and like minded people are doing is spiting in their faces..... What you and others like you are doing is demeaning that service to this country....
OrByte
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Classic case of footinamouthitis
You guys supporting this Military mans opinion is one thing, but by him doing his vocal vomit in the news media, well, you can see the trouble he got himself into. Now he will probably never apologize, and that is fine. But, he learned a valuable lesson:
keep your bigotry to yourself.
You guys supporting this Military mans opinion is one thing, but by him doing his vocal vomit in the news media, well, you can see the trouble he got himself into. Now he will probably never apologize, and that is fine. But, he learned a valuable lesson:
keep your bigotry to yourself.
I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.
I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.
What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.
My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.
OrByte
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.....Originally posted by: Conky
I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.
I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.
What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.
My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.
This is horrible. I mean seriously, what the hell are you smoking?
"I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order."
since when has anyone ever argued for this "recognition" issue? This is moronic. I don't even know where to start...AFAIK, the issue with gays in the military isn't about recognition, its about being able to serve without negative ramification, or prejudice and with the full benefits of everyone else that enjoys the freedom to serve.
"Don't ask don't tell." < does that ring a bell?
are you in high school? because I would expect this from someone that has to work on his/her critical thinking skills.
Umm, hello... They don't want "Don't ask, don't tell". Tell me what they do want.Originally posted by: OrByte
.....Originally posted by: Conky
I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.
I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.
What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.
My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.
This is horrible. I mean seriously, what the hell are you smoking?
"I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order."
since when has anyone ever argued for this "recognition" issue? This is moronic. I don't even know where to start...AFAIK, the issue with gays in the military isn't about recognition, its about being able to serve without negative ramification, or prejudice and with the full benefits of everyone else that enjoys the freedom to serve.
"Don't ask don't tell." < does that ring a bell?
are you in high school? because I would expect this from someone that has to work on his/her critical thinking skills.
I am very open minded and have no issue with gay people. Pretending that you can allow soldiers to express their individuality is not very realistic. If your best criticism is to call me a moron then you don't have a lot of mental capacity.
UberNeuman
Lifer
- Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: Conky
Umm, hello... They don't want "Don't ask, don't tell". Tell me what they do want.Originally posted by: OrByte
.....Originally posted by: Conky
I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.
I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.
What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.
My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.
This is horrible. I mean seriously, what the hell are you smoking?
"I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order."
since when has anyone ever argued for this "recognition" issue? This is moronic. I don't even know where to start...AFAIK, the issue with gays in the military isn't about recognition, its about being able to serve without negative ramification, or prejudice and with the full benefits of everyone else that enjoys the freedom to serve.
"Don't ask don't tell." < does that ring a bell?
are you in high school? because I would expect this from someone that has to work on his/her critical thinking skills.
I am very open minded and have no issue with gay people. Pretending that you can allow soldiers to express their individuality is not very realistic. If your best criticism is to call me a moron then you don't have a lot of mental capacity.
So, what you're saying is if Homosexuals didn't have to worry about being forced out of the service - that on the battlefield, they'll drop their weapons and break into show tunes and dance around and attempt to seduce the other soldiers into their ways?
I will repeat just for you. I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Conky
Umm, hello... They don't want "Don't ask, don't tell". Tell me what they do want.Originally posted by: OrByte
.....Originally posted by: Conky
I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.
I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.
What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.
My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.
This is horrible. I mean seriously, what the hell are you smoking?
"I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order."
since when has anyone ever argued for this "recognition" issue? This is moronic. I don't even know where to start...AFAIK, the issue with gays in the military isn't about recognition, its about being able to serve without negative ramification, or prejudice and with the full benefits of everyone else that enjoys the freedom to serve.
"Don't ask don't tell." < does that ring a bell?
are you in high school? because I would expect this from someone that has to work on his/her critical thinking skills.
I am very open minded and have no issue with gay people. Pretending that you can allow soldiers to express their individuality is not very realistic. If your best criticism is to call me a moron then you don't have a lot of mental capacity.
So, what you're saying is if Homosexuals didn't have to worry about being forced out of the service - that on the battlefield, they'll drop their weapons and break into show tunes and dance around and attempt to seduce the other soldiers into their ways?
But since "don't ask, don't tell" isn't enough then there must be a suggestion from those that want the individual soldier to be able proclaim his sexuality for all to see.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Even if that cake is erotically shaped. :laugh:
UberNeuman
Lifer
- Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: Conky
I will repeat just for you. I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Conky
Umm, hello... They don't want "Don't ask, don't tell". Tell me what they do want.Originally posted by: OrByte
.....Originally posted by: Conky
I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.
I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.
What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.
My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.
This is horrible. I mean seriously, what the hell are you smoking?
"I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order."
since when has anyone ever argued for this "recognition" issue? This is moronic. I don't even know where to start...AFAIK, the issue with gays in the military isn't about recognition, its about being able to serve without negative ramification, or prejudice and with the full benefits of everyone else that enjoys the freedom to serve.
"Don't ask don't tell." < does that ring a bell?
are you in high school? because I would expect this from someone that has to work on his/her critical thinking skills.
I am very open minded and have no issue with gay people. Pretending that you can allow soldiers to express their individuality is not very realistic. If your best criticism is to call me a moron then you don't have a lot of mental capacity.
So, what you're saying is if Homosexuals didn't have to worry about being forced out of the service - that on the battlefield, they'll drop their weapons and break into show tunes and dance around and attempt to seduce the other soldiers into their ways?
But since "don't ask, don't tell" isn't enough then there must be a suggestion from those that want the individual soldier to be able proclaim his sexuality for all to see.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Even if that cake is eroticly shaped. :laugh:
Who made this a topic of discussion? The Homosexuals or General Pace?
Answer my question.Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Conky
I will repeat just for you. I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Conky
Umm, hello... They don't want "Don't ask, don't tell". Tell me what they do want.Originally posted by: OrByte
.....Originally posted by: Conky
I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.
I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.
What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.
My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.
This is horrible. I mean seriously, what the hell are you smoking?
"I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order."
since when has anyone ever argued for this "recognition" issue? This is moronic. I don't even know where to start...AFAIK, the issue with gays in the military isn't about recognition, its about being able to serve without negative ramification, or prejudice and with the full benefits of everyone else that enjoys the freedom to serve.
"Don't ask don't tell." < does that ring a bell?
are you in high school? because I would expect this from someone that has to work on his/her critical thinking skills.
I am very open minded and have no issue with gay people. Pretending that you can allow soldiers to express their individuality is not very realistic. If your best criticism is to call me a moron then you don't have a lot of mental capacity.
So, what you're saying is if Homosexuals didn't have to worry about being forced out of the service - that on the battlefield, they'll drop their weapons and break into show tunes and dance around and attempt to seduce the other soldiers into their ways?
But since "don't ask, don't tell" isn't enough then there must be a suggestion from those that want the individual soldier to be able proclaim his sexuality for all to see.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Even if that cake is eroticly shaped. :laugh:
Who made this a topic of discussion? The Homosexuals or General Pace?
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