Gen. Pace is the man!

[OrByte]

Corky, your position is fallacious, it is a false dilemma.

look it up.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
postmortemIA, you realize that there has always been homosexuals in military service in this country since the beginning..... What you and like minded people are doing is spiting in their faces..... What you and others like you are doing is demeaning that service to this country....

I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.

I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.

What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.

My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.

.....

This is horrible. I mean seriously, what the hell are you smoking?

"I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order."

since when has anyone ever argued for this "recognition" issue? This is moronic. I don't even know where to start...AFAIK, the issue with gays in the military isn't about recognition, its about being able to serve without negative ramification, or prejudice and with the full benefits of everyone else that enjoys the freedom to serve.

"Don't ask don't tell." < does that ring a bell?

are you in high school? because I would expect this from someone that has to work on his/her critical thinking skills.

Umm, hello... They don't want "Don't ask, don't tell". Tell me what they do want.

I am very open minded and have no issue with gay people. Pretending that you can allow soldiers to express their individuality is not very realistic. If your best criticism is to call me a moron then you don't have a lot of mental capacity.

So, what you're saying is if Homosexuals didn't have to worry about being forced out of the service - that on the battlefield, they'll drop their weapons and break into show tunes and dance around and attempt to seduce the other soldiers into their ways?

I will repeat just for you. I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.

But since "don't ask, don't tell" isn't enough then there must be a suggestion from those that want the individual soldier to be able proclaim his sexuality for all to see.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Even if that cake is eroticly shaped. :laugh:

Who made this a topic of discussion? The Homosexuals or General Pace?

Answer my question.

My answer would be to get over it. These men and woman have chosen to serve this country, putting their lives on the line and all you can do is demean it....

Now somehow, in your mind, it's turned into a big "gay is gonna get ya!"

So, answer me - Who made this an issue again - the Homosexuals or General Pace?

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
postmortemIA, you realize that there has always been homosexuals in military service in this country since the beginning..... What you and like minded people are doing is spiting in their faces..... What you and others like you are doing is demeaning that service to this country....

I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.

I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order.

What most gay advocates want from the military would erode it's capability as no soldier is going to feel safe next to another soldier who insists on wearing his pink beret.

My example is rather simple and some would say stupid and unrealistic but I would argue no more unrealistic than whatever the homosexuals are hoping for by being able to openly proclaim their sexuality while in uniform and military is big on uniform. They are not big on individual expression and this is how it should be in an armed force.

.....

This is horrible. I mean seriously, what the hell are you smoking?

"I think the problem lies with the entire "recognition" issue. What do the gay soldiers actually want? To wear the female uniform? To wear a pink beret? Seriously, the military requires a certain order to it and having soldiers lisping and wearing skirts is not going to promote this order."

since when has anyone ever argued for this "recognition" issue? This is moronic. I don't even know where to start...AFAIK, the issue with gays in the military isn't about recognition, its about being able to serve without negative ramification, or prejudice and with the full benefits of everyone else that enjoys the freedom to serve.

"Don't ask don't tell." < does that ring a bell?

are you in high school? because I would expect this from someone that has to work on his/her critical thinking skills.

Umm, hello... They don't want "Don't ask, don't tell". Tell me what they do want.

I am very open minded and have no issue with gay people. Pretending that you can allow soldiers to express their individuality is not very realistic. If your best criticism is to call me a moron then you don't have a lot of mental capacity.

So, what you're saying is if Homosexuals didn't have to worry about being forced out of the service - that on the battlefield, they'll drop their weapons and break into show tunes and dance around and attempt to seduce the other soldiers into their ways?

I will repeat just for you. I don't doubt that there have been many homosexual soldiers over the years and that many of them have done a great job.

But since "don't ask, don't tell" isn't enough then there must be a suggestion from those that want the individual soldier to be able proclaim his sexuality for all to see.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Even if that cake is eroticly shaped. :laugh:

Who made this a topic of discussion? The Homosexuals or General Pace?

Answer my question.

My answer would be to get over it. These men and woman have chosen to serve this country, putting their lives on the line and all you can do is demean it....

Now somehow, in your mind, it's turned into a big "gay is gonna get ya!"

So, answer me - Who made this an issue again - the Homosexuals or General Pace?

I'll say it over again and yet you will ignore it again. I have no issues with homosexuals and have no doubt that many of them have contributed greatly to the defense of this country.

But what do the homosexuals in the military actually want if not open recognition?

 

[UberNeuman]

I answered your question, now please.... answer mine... Who just made an issue of this?

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I answered your question, now please.... answer mine... Who just made an issue of this?

Your answer was to "get over it". This is not an acceptable answer.

I will answer your question when you answer mine.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I answered your question, now please.... answer mine... Who just made an issue of this?

Your answer was to "get over it". This is not an acceptable answer.

I will answer your question when you answer mine.

But since "don't ask, don't tell" isn't enough then there must be a suggestion from those that want the individual soldier to be able proclaim his sexuality for all to see.

This was your point of contention, was it not - and what you are hanging your question on - that the Homosexuals are forcing this and are going to make the military into a gay pride parade in the process?

Again, who was it that just made this a issue - the Homosexuals or General Pace?

 

[blackllotus]

Could this possibly turn into an excuse to get out a draft? "I would like to fight but... I actively have sex with men"

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I answered your question, now please.... answer mine... Who just made an issue of this?

Your answer was to "get over it". This is not an acceptable answer.

I will answer your question when you answer mine.

But since "don't ask, don't tell" isn't enough then there must be a suggestion from those that want the individual soldier to be able proclaim his sexuality for all to see.

This was your point, was it not - and what you are hanging your question on - that the Homosexuals are forcing this and are going to make the military into a gay pride parade in the process?

Again, who was it that just made this a issue - the Homosexuals or General Pace?

Perhaps the newspaper that was interviewing him? The media always loves to drag these topics out and pretend the interviewed person was the instigator. General Pace is entitled to his own opinion. Some would argue that all people in a "free country" are allowed to voice their opinions when asked.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Could this possibly turn into an excuse to get out a draft? "I would like to fight but... I actively have sex with men"

Klinger defense.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I answered your question, now please.... answer mine... Who just made an issue of this?

Your answer was to "get over it". This is not an acceptable answer.

I will answer your question when you answer mine.

But since "don't ask, don't tell" isn't enough then there must be a suggestion from those that want the individual soldier to be able proclaim his sexuality for all to see.

This was your point, was it not - and what you are hanging your question on - that the Homosexuals are forcing this and are going to make the military into a gay pride parade in the process?

Again, who was it that just made this a issue - the Homosexuals or General Pace?

Perhaps the newspaper that was interviewing him? The media always loves to drag these topics out and pretend the interviewed person was the instigator. General Pace is entitled to his own opinion. Some would argue that all people in a "free country" are allowed to voice their opinions when asked.

Then you admit that General Pace made an issue of this, which negates your previous point of the Homosexuals are making this a topic of discussion.....

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Conky

But what do the homosexuals in the military actually want if not open recognition?

What if they do? What difference does it make? As long as they don't receive special treatment who cares? If two guys are caught getting it on, then they should be punished, in the same way that a male/female would.

I honestly don't think that gay soldiers will suddenly jump around and demand camouflage parasols, they just don't want to be kicked out of the military for being gay. Being gay doesn't make you a sissy, and those types most likely won't be joining the military anyways.

That's it.

If capable, law-abiding people want to join then the military, we should take them. It's insane to turn away talented people because of their sexuality.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Again, who was it that just made this a issue - the Homosexuals or General Pace?

Perhaps the newspaper that was interviewing him? The media always loves to drag these topics out and pretend the interviewed person was the instigator. General Pace is entitled to his own opinion. Some would argue that all people in a "free country" are allowed to voice their opinions when asked.

Bullsh8! Pace opened his own mouth and inserted both feet. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, his words have strong meaning for the entire military establishment. One would hope a man in that position would show more self control and much better understanding of the influence of his words on the morale and integrity of the all of the armed forces of the United States.

He is entitled to his own opinion, but when it's as stupid and bigoted as his, we, the civilian citizens of the United States should realize that he's unfit for the job and fire his sorry ass. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Conky

But what do the homosexuals in the military actually want if not open recognition?

What if they do? What difference does it make? As long as they don't receive special treatment who cares? If two guys are caught getting it on, then they should be punished, in the same way that a male/female would.

I honestly don't think that gay soldiers will suddenly jump around and demand camouflage parasols, they just don't want to be kicked out of the military for being gay. Being gay doesn't make you a sissy, and those types most likely won't be joining the military anyways.

That's it.

If capable, law-abiding people want to join then the military, we should take them. It's insane to turn away talented people because of their sexuality.

I agree that capable people should not be turned away for their sexuality but this problem of open recognition is not going away. I have absolutely nothing against gay people but as I have stated before, the military is not big on emphasizing individual differences and the gay community seems to demand recognition so this seems to be a problem as I see it... and apparently the most powerful of US Generals see this as an issue too.

I still think gays in the military are under-rated. Text

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Conky
I still think gays in the military are under-rated. Text

The fact that you post that shows you have no respect for the service of Homosexuals in the armed forces..... It's just some sort of joke about matters of life and death....

/of course, you avoid who just made this an issue, and then agree with it says more that you than you know.....

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky
I still think gays in the military are under-rated. Text

The fact that you post that shows you have no respect for the service of Homosexuals in the armed forces..... It's just some sort of joke about matters of life and death....

/of course, you avoid who just made this an issue, and then agree with it says more that you than you know.....

Whatever dude. You have no answers and no humor.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky
I still think gays in the military are under-rated. Text

The fact that you post that shows you have no respect for the service of Homosexuals in the armed forces..... It's just some sort of joke about matters of life and death....

/of course, you avoid who just made this an issue, and then agree with it says more that you than you know.....

Whatever dude. You have no answers and no humor.

Sir, I find little humour in people who mock those who are willing to risk their lives to serve the nation....

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Conky
I still think gays in the military are under-rated. Text

The fact that you post that shows you have no respect for the service of Homosexuals in the armed forces..... It's just some sort of joke about matters of life and death....

/of course, you avoid who just made this an issue, and then agree with it says more that you than you know.....

Whatever dude. You have no answers and no humor.

Sir, I find little humour in people who mock those who are willing to risk their lives to serve the nation....

I never said anything close to mocking anybody in the military. You will be a happier person when you stop putting words in the mouths of others and try to consider other veiwpoints that may or may not be that far off from your own. The world is not black and white despite your attempts to paint it and me in those colors.

OMG, I hope that "black and white" bit doesn't start a racial thread. :roll:

 

[UberNeuman]

Picasso. You've painted your own portrait..... If only you could step back and view it for what it is....

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Picasso. You've painted your own portrait..... If only you could step back and view it for what it is....

You are a "last word" kinda guy. So bust it out because I am done with this thread and you. I know you won't be able to not post after this, lol.

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That is enough from both of you. Get back on the topic before I have to send you children to your rooms with the LAN turned off.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[tomywishbone]

Pace is clearly a military and political genius. With an open-minded free-thinking individual like him in charge in Iraq, I'm sure victory is right around the corner.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

"I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace said.

Brave soldier!

Text

well, what exactly constitutes a homosexual act? two guys buttfvcking? what about a male soldier who buttfvcks another female soldier?

You really need to ask?

so two guys engage in that activity it's immoral, but a straight guy and female do it and it's ok? Why is everything about homosexuals always about sex? America has some serious hangups, and for a country who love to live in other peoples bedrooms, it's quite perplexing

Actually it is also wrong for a male and felmale, at least in the military. So it is equally applied to all. I believe oral sex is also not allowed, along with having affairs with married people.

Does the military monitor what people do in their bedrooms? no. But they do in the barracks.

Now if a military personal got caught in any of the above acts, say in the backseat of a car - they would get in trouble.

But these rules are made publicly available, and it should be a surprise to anyone that an organization that regulates the amount of hair a person has, might have some rules concerning behavior outside of uniform (literally).

That's not accurate. It is not against military regulations for male and female soldiers (or marines, or sailors, or whoever) to have sex/date/marry. The only prohibition against it is if they are in the same chain of command and in most cases relationships between officers and enlisted.

Your point about public sex is of course right, but the military actively condones relationships between male and female soldiers as long as they mention the criteria I mentioned above.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Pace is clearly a military and political genius. With an open-minded free-thinking individual like him in charge in Iraq, I'm sure victory is right around the corner.

Yep.. he is such a genius that he would rather fire arabic interpretors that he perceives as gay than protect his troops and the people of Iraq

He is a fvcking tool... not fit to wear the uniform of this great nation.

I think denying two people who love each other the right to marry is MORE IMMORAL than their relationship

 

[Termagant]

For a more balanced discussion on this topic.... please turn your attention to a blog which as been linked to by the Drudge Report:

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/new...wamp/2007/03/warner_hits_pac.html#more

BTW I thought I heard that Matt Drudge is gay???

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
This isn't a question of whether they should be out banging every other gay person that they can find. This is a question of whether they have the right afforded to every heterosexual that is a citizen of this country.

I didn't say anything about this. I simply explained what he said.

Why can't they serve in the military? Is it because Pace is afraid that they might see him in the shower and laugh? Maybe he is afraid of his own feelings and has tendencies that he doesn't really want to confront? Maybe he is just worried that they won't find him attractive and his fragile ego will get hurt?

Yes, I'm sure the chairmain of the Joint Chiefs shares a public shower with the enlisted men. :roll: Only in your homoerotic fantasies.

Why should someone that is BORN HOMOSEXUAL have to abstain from every natural tendency that they have towards who that are attracted to while someone that is "born heterosexual get to act upon theirs without any stigma, name-calling or government intervention telling them that they are not allowed to do what others are allowed to do?

Whether or not someone is even 'born' a homosexual is still an open question. But I don't see how that question is in any way relevant. If I choose to be a homosexual, does that in any way lessen my claim to the same rights as anyone else? The idea that we should only treat homosexuals equally if they are born as homosexuals is ridiculous. We should treat people equally, period.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ahhhhh yes, the last refuge of the bigot! To try and point out that those calling him/her a bigot, are in fact the ones who are ignorant and intolerant!

LOL :laugh:

Care to point out where I've exhibited bigotry, or are you just trolling in lieu of any argument? Or are you trying to make a place for yourself in my sig?