Gen. Pace is the man!

[stwain2003]

I don't get people who say that just because people are grown adults, they can do whatever they want. So what if they are 18+ yrs. old?? If they are running a meth lab in their backyard, I fully well care and not just nod it off like some little thing. Homosexuality IS immoral, and I do not support anyone who supports it. That doesn't mean I don't like gay people, but I SURE as hell don't like what they believe.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: stwain2003
I don't get people who say that just because people are grown adults, they can do whatever they want. So what if they are 18+ yrs. old?? If they are running a meth lab in their backyard, I fully well care and not just nod it off like some little thing. Homosexuality IS immoral, and I do not support anyone who supports it. That doesn't mean I don't like gay people, but I SURE as hell don't like what they believe.

Well then you're a bigoted jackass. Believe in whatever beardo-god you want that tells you where to stick your penis, but you're a bad person. Seriously. Draw your comfort from your beard-nesss... but you know in your heart that what you're saying is wrong.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: stwain2003
I don't get people who say that just because people are grown adults, they can do whatever they want. So what if they are 18+ yrs. old?? If they are running a meth lab in their backyard, I fully well care and not just nod it off like some little thing. Homosexuality IS immoral, and I do not support anyone who supports it. That doesn't mean I don't like gay people, but I SURE as hell don't like what they believe.

Well then you and General Pace have something in common: You're both bigots. At least you're man enough to just come out and admit to it instead of hiding behind the lies of 'hate the sin, not the sinner.'

 

[Gaard]

"Don't ask, don't tell"

I may be wrong, but doesn't this mean people are booted from the military for being gay, not for engaging in homosexual acts?

 

[imported_gardener]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Yes, because man cannot live without screwing like rabbits, just like we can't live without oxygen! I believe I learned that as part of my confined space training... "Your brain will cease to function if the volume fraction of oxygen falls below 0.165 or if you haven't gotten any from your partner in the last 36 hours." One for each of you.

So the root problem is that others have more sex than Cyclowizard?

You give "confined space training", an entirely new meaning.

 

[DealMonkey]

Me thinks the oxygen level in here is slowly decreasing . . .

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: stwain2003
I don't get people who say that just because people are grown adults, they can do whatever they want. So what if they are 18+ yrs. old?? If they are running a meth lab in their backyard, I fully well care and not just nod it off like some little thing.

Clue -- Meth labs and those who run them have victims. Consensual homosexual sex doesn't, unless you want to include all the victims of bigoted homophobic attacks ranging from denial of their civil rights to discrimination in employment to physical attacks.

Homosexuality IS immoral, and I do not support anyone who supports it.

According to who? Your ooga-booga deity? :roll:

< sarcasm >

My ooga-booga deity dictates that homosexual sex is the only allowed form of sexual expression. Since I'm straight, I guess that makes me a horrible sinner, but I intend to enjoy my sins for a long time to come. :laugh:

< /sarcasm >

That doesn't mean I don't like gay people, but I SURE as hell don't like what they believe.

Since what they believe is just an expression of who they are, yes it does.

 

[spittledip]

This is fruitless b/c people are coming from two very different points of belief. Neither point can prove the other wrong, so you might as well just learn to accept that people have different beliefs and leave it at that.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: spittledip
This is fruitless b/c people are coming from two very different points of belief. Neither point can prove the other wrong, so you might as well just learn to accept that people have different beliefs and leave it at that.

I would love to be able to leave it at that, but the homophobic people are trying to take other peoples rights away. Gay supporters are not.

Who's the bad guy here?

Screw these peoples definition of "immoral". The very fact that gays don't hurt anyone should be proof enough that it's just fine to let them have the same human rights as anyone else. I wish they'd stop comparing gays to drug users and criminals, too.


Drugs hurt people, terrorism hurts people, murder and robbery/burglary hurts people. Gays do not hurt people. No more than you boning your wife hurts people.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: spittledip
This is fruitless b/c people are coming from two very different points of belief. Neither point can prove the other wrong, so you might as well just learn to accept that people have different beliefs and leave it at that.

Sadly, there are not two ethically equivalent positions here, so simple acceptance is not an option.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: spittledip
This is fruitless b/c people are coming from two very different points of belief. Neither point can prove the other wrong, so you might as well just learn to accept that people have different beliefs and leave it at that.

I would love to be able to leave it at that, but the homophobic people are trying to take other peoples rights away. Gay supporters are not.

Who's the bad guy here?

Screw these peoples definition of "immoral". The very fact that gays don't hurt anyone should be proof enough that it's just fine to let them have the same human rights as anyone else. I wish they'd stop comparing gays to drug users and criminals, too.


Drugs hurt people, terrorism hurts people, murder and robbery/burglary hurts people. Gays do not hurt people. No more than you boning your wife hurts people.

Thank you!

If people really wanted to get tough .. Religion could easily be put in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)

 

[spittledip]

What you are not understanding is that the people who are against homosexuality believe that it does hurt the society spiritually, morally, and socially. This is why the discussion is fruitless- no one is going to agree and it will continue to go back and forth. And, what possible good could come of it?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: spittledip
What you are not understanding is that the people who are against homosexuality believe that it does hurt the society spiritually, morally, and socially. This is why the discussion is fruitless- no one is going to agree and it will continue to go back and forth. And, what possible good could come of it?

The difference is, they are wrong. It's one of the few cases where this is the case:

abortion - not that simple
gun control - not that simple
taxation - not that simple

This one is very basic, and there's a right answer.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: spittledip
What you are not understanding is that the people who are against homosexuality believe that it does hurt the society spiritually, morally, and socially. This is why the discussion is fruitless- no one is going to agree and it will continue to go back and forth. And, what possible good could come of it?

The difference is, they are wrong. It's one of the few cases where this is the case:

abortion - not that simple
gun control - not that simple
taxation - not that simple

This one is very basic, and there's a right answer.

Exactly... I didn't want to say it, so thanks.

This issue should be a non-issue, but there are fanatics who turned it into an issue, as if they have a right to control other people. If I wanted to be a real jerk about it, I'd say that if they get to ban gay marriage, we get to ban religion. How free and fair is that?

Not trying piss anyone off, really... But I'm pretty sure that religion has killed and otherwise hurt far more people than gays ever will.

What spittledip is saying is correct, though. They're not going to listen. We just have to hope that as the older generations move out of the way for the younger ones, people will become more accepting and less bull-headed/bigoted.

Educate the young people, don't let them fall victim to hate and intolerance.

 

[Red Dawn]

Peter Pace..hmmmm I bet he got picked on as a child, Could explain why he has such a hard on for Gays

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: spittledip
What you are not understanding is that the people who are against homosexuality believe that it does hurt the society spiritually, morally, and socially. This is why the discussion is fruitless- no one is going to agree and it will continue to go back and forth. And, what possible good could come of it?

I think the primary reason is that gays personally make them uncomfortable.

 

[topslop1]

Who cares.. let gay people do gay things to eachother. Just don't invite me.