GeForce Titan coming end of February

[blackened23]

bump!

lol what am I looking at. ARGH those emoticons drive me nuts.

Might as well join in on the fun. Find us some more emoticons!

 

[Will Robinson]

Wow great graphic....a 680 beating HD7970 LOL:biggrin:
In what metric...smoothness per watt?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Wow great graphic....a 680 beating HD7970 LOL:biggrin:
In what metric...smoothness per watt?

No it's the original 7970 vs 680, notice how it doesn't say "GHz".

Tee Hee

 

[jamudin]

If its only 100 more than 690 might as well buy it

 

[blackened23]

If its only 100 more than 690 might as well buy it

Wait what? More than 690? Source?

 

[RussianSensation]

Hey RS, what happen to the chart you embedded?

Here. I took it down because how can you have a 294mm2 GK114 with 384-bit bus and 1920 SPs?

 

[RussianSensation]

I can see why 3DVagabond was confused, compared to the 7970, Titan does look like a next gen product.

Yes because 1050 7970s are not a real product. :hmm:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-17-grafikkarten-im-vergleich/3/

1Ghz HD7970 is selling $380 CDN with 5 free games. NV's marketing team must be working overtime on this one trying convince us that the $900 Titan is worth its price or that it happens to be a direct competitor to a $380 card. :$

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Here. I took it down because how can you have a 294mm2 GK114 with 384-bit bus and 1920 SPs?

Would be nice if there were 4 coming out on March 1st, but I'd throw up in my mouth if 780 on down were all GK114.

Yes because 1050 7970s are not a real product. :hmm:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-17-grafikkarten-im-vergleich/3/

You don't need to link the same thing 80 times, and I'm aware I was only explaining the graph bro I didn't make it.

 

[tviceman]

I hope AdamAK47 does a 3 Titans vs. Quad-SLI GTX690 comparison and explores CPU bottlenecking too.

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Is that a chip for controlling voltage on the Titan?

A 680 does not have this.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-...nally-arrives-consumers-blasting-6-gb-memory/

Wccftech is saying the 680 has the same chip on the other side of the pcb. If so, it may be an indication that titan's voltage is locked down. Better hope for plenty of OC headroom at the stock volts or the price won't be the only disappointing thing about this launch!

 

[chimaxi83]

Yeah, that's the voltage controller on all reference 680s. It's on the back side of those cards.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

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Back to PoE for me, good luck everyone!

 

[Zevvo]

I also read some rumors it will be launched on the 18th. I will stay up a couple of hours and see what happens!

 

[Grooveriding]

Yeah, that's the voltage controller on all reference 680s. It's on the back side of those cards.

Epic fail if so. It looks a bit larger than the one on a 680 though.. ah no, just looked at mine. It's the same thing, a little daughter board mounted on the PCB with the same small chip.

Epic fail.

You can see on the 680 Lightning's PCB it's a CHIL chip to provide voltage control.

Well that helps to keep my wallet closed. Can't believe they would stick with that on a $900 single-gpu card.

 

[Rvenger]

Wow great graphic....a 680 beating HD7970 LOL:biggrin:
In what metric...shillness per watt?

FTFY


Titan will definitely be an interesting GPU. I can't wait to see reviews. If it were $600 or even $650, I would definitely consider. Its hard to justify anything right now since I paid $280 for my 7970 brand new.

 

[RussianSensation]

Wccftech is saying the 680 has the same chip on the other side of the pcb. If so, it may be an indication that titan's voltage is locked down. Better hope for plenty of OC headroom at the stock volts or the price won't be the only disappointing thing about this launch!

Oh I totally see it now. It looked camouflaged at first glance.

 

[Rvenger]

Well that helps to keep my wallet closed. Can't believe they would stick with that on a $900 single-gpu card.

I guess we will see for sure once NDA drops. Who knows, someone could have photo chopped that in since you mostly see them on the backside of the PCB.

 

[RussianSensation]

Epic fail if so. Epic fail.

1 min 50 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80jaqakkKQ

 

[badb0y]

I am glad you can admit to that after saying otherwise.



Titan will not be a value proposition, I'm not arguing that it will be. My argument is that when the hd7970 came out, people on here justified it's price by comparing it to the relatively rare gtx580 3gb card, which was never mass produced in high quantity. Yet now that Nvidia is releasing a 6gb card, the same people who compared the 3gb gtx580 do not think it's valid or fair to use 6gb 7970GE's to compare with Titan. To me it sounds like people are making up the parameters in which to validate their arguments, and are not at all being objective about the situation.

Oh absolutely I have no problem with being wrong and being corrected. I totally forgot that throughout the year the 7970 has gotten some sizable performance boosts from drivers so that skewed my view a bit.

As for the debate on the price, look the way I see it the 7970 was priced as well as AMD could have priced it at the time. It didn't do anything revolutionary in terms of price/performance but it wasn't anything as crazy as a $900 graphics card. Ever since I have been following GPUs the highest I have ever seen the price go is $650 so this is obviously something new for me. I would love to buy the Titan if the rumored performance is accurate but I can't seem to justify spending $900(rumored) for it.

EDIT: Also we are at 11:35 PM on the East Coast so NDA should be lifting soon right or does nVidia go with West Coast timing?

 

[tviceman]

I can't get an answer anywhere as to when the NDA definitively lifts.

 

[3DVagabond]

I can see why 3DVagabond was confused, compared to the 7970, Titan does look like a next gen product.

Trust me, you are still the one who's confused. I was calling Titan next gen to the GTX-580, not the GTX-680. The fact that it took them a year longer to produce it commercially is probably what's confusing you. Maybe if you read what Russian said two or three more times, what I said might make sense.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Ya what about it. Calculate the cost per % increase to get the price/performance. HD7970 @ 1180mhz was 60% faster than 580 for a $150 price increase. The Titan OC might be 70% faster for a $400 price increase. The Titan is still more overpriced than 7970 was vs. 580. Stock vs. stock, OC vs. stock, OC vs. OC. The Titan always delivers worse price/performance than the case of 7970 vs. 580. Why did the same people who ripped 7970 apart as I did are keeping quiet this time?

Also, as I said why would you even talk about $600-700 6GB 7970s? The extra VRAM is worthless. Going from 1.5GB to 3GB was not worthless. That comparison is not even valid. Most of us would take a $799 3GB Titan than a $899 6GB one.

I think what is influencing this price/perf discussion in AMDs favor is that Nvidia cards have been more price stable in the recent past. A year after its launch, the GTX580 1.5GB still was a tad over 400 Euros in Germany, a 20-25% drop from the original MSRP. In the same time period the 7970 dropped about 40% from 549 to now 330 Euros. Same with the 680. 20% drop from 500 to 400 Euros. I'm not saying it's justified, but that's the way it is and should be noted when discussing cards from AMD and Nvidia that are 1 year or so apart.

And also, what was so nicely ignored although it was brought up repeatedly:
7970 had the benefit of a shrink vs the 580, Titan does not vs the 7970.
The 7970's GPU is 30% smaller than GF110, but GK110 is ~40% larger than Tahiti. Just saying - you cannot ignore this in an honest discussion, even though us customers don't care about this stuff. It's physics, it's reality.

As for the 6GB:
I wouldn't dismiss them so fast. Of course you'll need two or more cards to run settings that begin to profit from more than 3GB. But I'd rather not have another VRAM cripple - I bought my two 580s with 3GB and haven't regretted it since. 4K already requires a tad more than 3GB in certain games. Add newer games (next gen console ports?) and texture mods and during Titans lifetime, 6GB might become useful in enthusiast setups. 4GB would be a sweet spot I guess, but since we're stuck with 384bit, it's "all or nothing" with 3 or 6GB.

 

[3DVagabond]

Yeah, that's the voltage controller on all reference 680s. It's on the back side of those cards.

Without a voltage controller how could they have multiple voltages and clocks depending on load? They all have voltage controllers. Some don't offer software control though.

 

[tviceman]

Trust me, you are still the one who's confused. I was calling Titan next gen to the GTX-580, not the GTX-680. The fact that it took them a year longer to produce it commercially is probably what's confusing you. Maybe if you read what Russian said two or three more times, what I said might make sense.

A year? The k20 and k20x have been shipping since September. That is 6 months. We didn't see it sooner in geforce because nvidia was backed up with preorders they were obligated to fulfill.

Please people can you at least attempt to stop exaggerating the truth And perpetuating crap hands over fist?

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Lol at the posted graph... Using the standard 7970 instead of the GHZ edition, thats unbiased benchmarking right there :awe:

There is nothing to discuss though... This is just yet another release where Nvidia takes advantage of its lack of competition to annihilate peoples wallets, as they have done since the Geforce 2 Ultra days
If you compare how many times AMD went above 600$ vs Nvidia (not counting dual cards), it gets pretty easy to see why so many people favor AMD on this site

Yeah, they are both companies out to get your money, but one of them is completely shameless about it, taking full advantage of the number of fanboys they have, just like Apple

 

[chimaxi83]

Without a voltage controller how could they have multiple voltages and clocks depending on load? They all have voltage controllers. Some don't offer software control though.

My post meant that it appears that the Titan has the same voltage controller as reference 680's, which is a controller that basically doesn't let you adjust anything. My post didn't say that it doesn't have a voltage controller, so I don't know what your reply means.