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AdamK47

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Reports of a 837MHz base clock is disappointing. Are the reports of other brands with a 915MHz base clock still true?
 

RussianSensation

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Sure he did:
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Ya and then I said if the Titan is 50% faster than 680, it would be just 40% faster than 7970Ghz at 1600P, which means Titan OC would likely be 60% faster than the stock HD7970Ghz. Hence the comparison of 60% faster HD7970 OC vs. stock 580 and 60% faster Titan OC vs. a stock 7970 Ghz. HD7970 carried a $100 premium for that 60% and Titan is carrying a $500 one over the 1Ghz 7970.
 

OCGuy

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Ya and then I said if the Titan is 50% faster than 680, it would be just 40% faster than 7970Ghz at 1600P, which means Titan OC would likely be 60% faster than the stock HD7970Ghz. Hence the comparison of 60% faster HD7970 OC vs. stock 580 and 60% faster Titan OC vs. a stock 7970 Ghz. HD7970 carried a $100 premium for that 60% and Titan is carrying a $500 one over the 1Ghz 7970.

Those numbers sure are nice and round.....50%, 60%........what games were used in determining those numbers? What were the settings being used? If they weren't exactly 50% and 60%, did you round up or down?
 

BallaTheFeared

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Ya and then I said if the Titan is 50% faster than 680, it would be just 40% faster than 7970Ghz at 1600P, which means Titan OC would likely be 60% faster than the stock HD7970Ghz. Hence the comparison of 60% faster HD7970 OC vs. stock 580 and 60% faster Titan OC vs. a stock 7970 Ghz. HD7970 carried a $100 premium for that 60% and Titan is carrying a $500 one over the 1Ghz 7970.

It's a broked comparison, the 7970 GHz wasn't even out when the 580 was still "relevant".

At that time the 7970 was only a few percent faster than the 580 for $75-100 more (expect the 3GB model).

Through time, with new models, and new drivers things have changed.

However you can't go back in time and take your cards and drivers with you ;)
 

aaksheytalwar

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even at the time of release it was 20-30% faster especially at 1440p and had double the vram just for a 20% price hike
 

BallaTheFeared

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even at the time of release it was 20-30% faster especially at 1440p and had double the vram just for a 20% price hike

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RussianSensation

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lol..7970GE is a gimmick by AMD to make more money off of people who can't OC by themselves. I was able to get to 1GHZ with no manual voltage increase. Why didnt AMD just sell the original 7970 at a 1ghz clock? It is the same as a EVGA FTWOMGWTF card.....except for some reason it is acceptable to include it against true stock cards..

The reason people talk about 1Ghz HD7970 is because you can buy such a card for under $400. If we start talking about buying a 925mhz 7970 and overclocking it, the Titan looks even more overpriced since those 925mhz 7970 can be purchased for even less than $380.
 

aaksheytalwar

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Still wrong.

7970s are better overclockers from day 1 and scale better.

if you compare a guaranteed oc on a 580 to a guaranteed oc on a 7970 with scaling then at 1440p the 7970 was easily 30% better
 

BallaTheFeared

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Still wrong.

7970s are better overclockers from day 1 and scale better.

if you compare a guaranteed oc on a 580 to a guaranteed oc on a 7970 with scaling then at 1440p the 7970 was easily 30% better

Goal posts have been moved.

BTW Fermi "scales" just fine with overclocking, I get 43% increase for 45% clock increase in titles I'm not cpu limited.
 

3DVagabond

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Btw this begs the question:

What are real applications for a graphics card that are marketed as gaming cards under the brand "Geforce" or "Radeon"? I would say it's primarily games. Sure you can run other stuff on them, but that is not the primary use case, so I would somewhat understand if that were not incluced in TDP calculation. Do you have a source that explains how Nvidia and AMD actually do this?

But this is a slippery slope I guess, no one could say for sure what AMD and Nvidia are thinking about this. I would assume they want people to buy their professional products if you're doing this type of workload.

I'm sure nVidia and AMD think differently about the pro market. They shouldn't be clumped together. Also people tend to clump "the pro market" all together. Where workstation graphics does require driver support etc..., compute often doesn't.

Considering "the pro market" is so small for AMD, if they could increase sales of their desktop graphics by 10% (not market % but $$$) by selling Radeon cards to professionals it would be worth it. As long as it didn't require additional support. GPU compute is ideal for this.
 

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Those numbers sure are nice and round.....50%, 60%........what games were used in determining those numbers? What were the settings being used? If they weren't exactly 50% and 60%, did you round up or down?

2560x1600 4AA - 16 Games
GTX690 = 167%
HD7970GE = 110%
GTX680 = 100%
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-17-grafikkarten-im-vergleich/3/

If the Titan is 50-60% faster than 680, the numbers that make sense based on specs / rumours, that would place it at 150%-160%.

160% / 110% = 45.4% faster than HD7970GE
150% / 110% = 36.4% faster than HD7970GE

Taking the mid-point: 40.9% (or 155% / 110%)
 

RussianSensation

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Goal posts have been moved.

BTW Fermi "scales" just fine with overclocking, I get 43% increase for 45% clock increase in titles I'm not cpu limited.

Goal posts haven't moved. Even if you want to compare HD7970 OC vs. GTX580 OC, nothing changes. The 7970 still delivered superior price/performance than the Titan will. HD7970 OC stomped the GTX580 OC so hard for $100-150 extra, it wasn't even funny. Don't forget that 3GB of VRAM was free. 6GB on the Titan is not an upgrade over 3GB on the 7970. >2GB on 7970 can actually be used in modern games with mods.

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And in 3 monitor gaming, it was an absolute destruction for such a small price premium.

"Finally, the largest performance difference we've seen yet in our Radeon HD 7970 testing, the overclocked HD 7970 is a whopping 80% faster than the Galaxy MDT GTX 580, which itself is also overclocked for a GTX 580! That is simply massive."
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012...verclocking_performance_review/6#.USFVb6Uskeo

The Titan is bringing a $400-500 price premium over a 1Ghz 7970. Care to place your bets now that a Titan OC can be 50-80% faster than a 1300mhz 7970? Even if it is, HD7970 charged $100-150 for that and Titan is asking $400-500. Early adopters won't care. NV will sell every single one they make. IMO, NV is charging $899 for what seems more like a $699 videocard. The limited launch of 10K unit is what justifies it.

AMD's fault. ;)

Ya, NV selling GTX690 for $1K for almost a year had nothing to do with it ;)
 
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3DVagabond

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If this is the case, which is appearing more likely, this card will be a failure in my book. The performance would be nice (great), but it's merely a true generational update which should fall in its successors price range.

What a joke. Price/performance will be dismal and probably one of the most overpriced cards to date.

If it's only say 30-40% faster then a 7970 GE (if 50% more than the 680) and costs more than 200% I don't know how the NVidiots will defend this one.

Because, when it's nVidia's halo card, price is no object. It's just the price of admission to the best performing single GPU club. We've seen it before and the only thing that's changed are the numbers. Same equation though.
 

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Goal posts haven't moved. People on these forums don't ever want to admit HD7970 OC stomped the GTX580 OC so hard for $100-150 extra, it wasn't even funny. Don't forget that 3GB of VRAM was free. 6GB on the Titan is not an upgrade over 3GB on the 7970. >2GB on 7970 can actually be used in modern games with mods.

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And in 3 monitor gaming, it was an absolute destruction for such a small price premium.

"Finally, the largest performance difference we've seen yet in our Radeon HD 7970 testing, the overclocked HD 7970 is a whopping 80% faster than the Galaxy MDT GTX 580, which itself is also overclocked for a GTX 580! That is simply massive."
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012...verclocking_performance_review/6#.USFVb6Uskeo

The Titan is bringing a $400-500 price premium over a 1Ghz 7970. Care to place your bets now that a Titan OC can be 50-80% faster than a 1300mhz 7970? Even if it is, HD7970 charged $100-150 for that and Titan is asking $400-500. It's way easier to accept that HD7970 OC brought far superior price/performance over the 580 than the Titan will over the 7970GE.
Q.E.D. - There really is no argument that Titan isn't a money grab. Everyone who jumped to bash the 7970 for it should be jumping even harder to bash Titan, but of course you'll see the nvidia fanboys eat their words and try to deflect.
 

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The Titan is bringing a $400-500 price premium over a 1Ghz 7970. Care to place your bets now that a Titan OC can be 50-80% faster than a 1300mhz 7970? Even if it is, HD7970 charged $100-150 for that and Titan is asking $400-500. It's way easier to accept that HD7970 OC brought far superior price/performance over the 580 than the Titan will over the 7970GE.

Nobody cares about Performance/Price with Titan and your marketing crusade for AMD.

You think i want to play with 18 fps for $400 when i can play with 30fps for $899?

Or that i would get with two 7970 cards for $800 ~32,7fps (80%) with is unplayable thx to input lag and microstuttering?

The 7970 has a 28nm chip and yet it was not even close to Moore's Law. But i know that AMD is not responsible for the prices because they never increased the MSRP over the previous generation.
 

Grooveriding

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Sontin seems mad.

Let's see 12 divided by 18 = 66%. So his performance estimate is Titan will be 66% faster than 7970GE.

Now if we use Sontin's historical performance estimate disparities, things are not looking good for Titan at 33% faster than 7970GE for over twice the cost. This is going on his last performance 'prediction' that GTX 680 would be 60% faster than GTX 580 we heard here, even when we knew die size. So going off that error of doubling reality, we come to 33% faster than 7970GE for Titan.

I kid, I kid. :ninja:

Seriously, bookies should take bets on video card's performance prior to release. They are taking bets on who the next pope will be, why not video card performance :D
 

RussianSensation

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19% at 1600p, which is a bigger gap than 1200p, neither of which are anywhere close to 20-30% at 1440p.

Just facts, no need to get hostile.

TPU has a tendency to take longer than most to update their GPU bench. I am guessing that launch HD7970 review is riddled with CPU limited games. aaksheytalwar is right.

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Computerbase has 925mhz 33% faster than 580 at 1600P
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2011/test-amd-radeon-hd-7970/10/

Nobody cares about Performance/Price with Titan and your marketing crusade for AMD.

Ya, so you bitched and moaned about $550 price of 7970 but now you could care less about the Titan's price/performance. That's exactly why NV will charge even more for GPUs.

But i know that AMD is not responsible for the prices because they never increased the MSRP over the previous generation.

AMD did increase prices to NV/ATI historical levels. NV is going from $500-650 to $900. JHH knows NV's most loyal fans will pay $900-1K. He also admires Apple's marketing and branding strategy too. I guess if NV continues with this strategy, it's perfectly fine to price single chip Maxwell at $900-1000 too? ^_^ Let me guess, it's going to be AMD's fault.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Was I realy just seeing the 7970 compared to the 580 instead of the 680?

What?

That's what we're discussing now, first to justify the 7970's price increase, which now we've added overclocking of 1.26GHz power guzzling performance to the 7970 vs a laughable 860MHz 580.

This is all an effort by someone who paid ~$650-700 to justify their purchase.

Nobody considering price/perf gives a hoot about any of this, it's just some epeen wagging as they notice theirs is starting to shrivel up.

I expect some nice overclocking from Titan, even 1200Mhz would be a 40% overclock and fall well within 28nm clock thresholds.. Hopefully Nvidia gives it's the voltage needed to hit those clocks, it shouldn't be bandwidth starve like the mid-range 680.
 
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