GeForce Titan coming end of February

[notty22]

Show me where a 25% oc'ed 7970 uses as much power as Titan most likely will with it's 275W TDP. I'm just curious to know honestly. I can't be bothered to actually look into this. As for clock scaling on Kepler, so even if they do scale just as well they also increase power just as much as Tahiti. Why all the sudden does Titan not have to deal with increased power while gaining 50% performance.

This whole time I've just been theorizing based on a very general and not entirely accurate grasp of the current performance landscape which I clearly stated early on. If you feel the need to try cram your opinion down my throat that's fine.

It's my opinion that AMD will be on par with Titan or within 15% of it for hundreds of dollars less. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.

Then why keep refuting facts, writing long paragraphs, then telling us you can't be bothered to check those facts.
780 Titan is going to be 2- 6pins and about 235 TDP, it's funny, I can remember this TDP debate happening before with you, but I could be wrong, I can't be bothered to check

edit: link for TDP rumor and power connectors.

The GeForce Titan GPU would deliver almost 85% of the performance of a reference GeForce GTX 690 and would require two 6-Pin connectors to power the 235W GK110 mammoth. You heard it right folks, the GPU ‘GeForce Titan’ with its single GK110 core would be able to churn out the same kind of performance as a Dual GK104 GTX 690 GPU would

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[VulgarDisplay]

Disclaimer: I don't know the actual numbers for 7970 oc'ed vs. gtx680 stock performance difference. I just pulled stuff out of my rear based on my general knowledge of current performance. Those numbers aren't accurate, but a best guess.

Should look familiar. I already said I was just theorizing.

I hadn't read the links about the rumored 235w TDP because I am at work. I did read a few people say they were guessing it would be 250w+.

 

[3DVagabond]

Then why keep refuting facts, writing long paragraphs, then telling us you can't be bothered to check those facts.
780 Titan is going to be 2- 6pins and about 235 TDP, it's funny, I can remember this TDP debate happening before with you, but I could be wrong, I can't be bothered to check

edit: link for TDP rumor and power connectors.


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Assuming that's correct, 732MHz is awfully low for 28nm. 2x 6pin seems like it will be very limiting. That's only 225W if they stick with the pci-e specifications. I don't understand why they would want to castrate it like that.

 

[notty22]

Castrate, you're funny. By the way, I wonder what AMD is going to call this new refresh that's on the back burner for ahem* Inventory reasons ? When there are 8970's out there in OEM, towers. Now that is going to be confusing.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Castrate, you're funny. By the way, I wonder what AMD is going to call this new refresh that's on the back burner for ahem* Inventory reasons ? When there are 8970's out there in OEM, towers. Now that is going to be confusing.

I myself expect AMD to go through a rebranding and the HD 8XXX oem cards will be the last of that naming scheme we see.

 

[3DVagabond]

Castrate, you're funny. By the way, I wonder what AMD is going to call this new refresh that's on the back burner for ahem* Inventory reasons ? When there are 8970's out there in OEM, towers. Now that is going to be confusing.

Well, you can call it what you want, but they are limiting it to a 225W TDP (I know that it can be pushed beyond that. It'll just be out of spec).

Where did you read the "back burner for inventory reasons"? You aren't actually quoting Charlie are you?

 

[Grooveriding]

You've got to hand it to nvidia for manipulating their market and buyers as well as they do.

GTX 280/285 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500,
GTX 480/580 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500
GTX 780/Titan 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $900...

If this is true they've managed to almost double the price they charge for similar cards from the past two generations. All this and there likely won't be the diaper changes needed that we saw over the pricing of the 7970 because of how they've finessed the massive price hike. ()

 

[Cookie Monster]

You've got to hand it to nvidia for manipulating their market and buyers as well as they do.

GTX 280/285 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500,
GTX 480/580 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500
GTX 780/Titan 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $900...

If this is true they've managed to almost double the price they charge for similar cards from the past two generations. All this and there likely won't be the diaper changes needed that we saw over the pricing of the 7970 because of how they've finessed the massive price hike. ()

Its not like they've not done it before though. Remember the 6800Ultra Extreme, 7800GTX 512MB or the 8800Ultra? even the 8800GTX on its debut was $649.

nVIDIA has always been expensive, where their products carry this "premium" image they've built for a very long time.. so Im not so surprised by this move.

ATi on the other hand use to be like that, but with its merger with AMD and being sort of forced into the small die strategy (I think of it as a double edge sword) after the failure of R600.. the "cheaper but almost as fast" image sort of was getting cemented til the arrival of GCN which then resulted in the sudden change in the pricing scheme where they went back to their traditional $$$ pricing schemes. It up-setted quite alot of people and you can see that it backfired easily seen by their quarterly results which Intel17 presented somewhere in this thread.

Wonder what it would have been like if AMD/ATi pursued high margin GPUs (big die/high margin or a small die strategy with an emphasis on margins) instead of what they did.. which I think AMD would have fully been capable of.

 

[Homeles]

You've got to hand it to nvidia for manipulating their market and buyers as well as they do.

GTX 280/285 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500,
GTX 480/580 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500
GTX 780/Titan 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $900...

If this is true they've managed to almost double the price they charge for similar cards from the past two generations. All this and there likely won't be the diaper changes needed that we saw over the pricing of the 7970 because of how they've finessed the massive price hike. ()

AMD started it. You can thank their $550 7970 launch price for the costly GTX Titan.

 

[blackened23]

Threads like this would never be complete without hyperbole and silliness.

 

[3DVagabond]

You've got to hand it to nvidia for manipulating their market and buyers as well as they do.

GTX 280/285 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500,
GTX 480/580 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500
GTX 780/Titan 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $900...

If this is true they've managed to almost double the price they charge for similar cards from the past two generations. All this and there likely won't be the diaper changes needed that we saw over the pricing of the 7970 because of how they've finessed the massive price hike. ()

I think you're giving nVidia too much credit. These are the same people who won't buy an AMD card regardless of price or performance. When AMD releases a card they'll suffer through lower performance with their last gen nVidia card for 6mos, and then foaming at the mouth pay whatever the price is nVidia is asking for their latest and greatest. Again, price performance doesn't even come into the equation.

Actually Groove, are you actually saying that you'll not buy it if it's 50%-60% faster than the last gen and $900? Because, even though you complain, you still give them your money every year.

 

[lavaheadache]

AMD started it. You can thank their $550 7970 launch price for the costly GTX Titan.

lol

 

[Homeles]

lol

Is that the best rebuttal you've got? Pathetic.

 

[3DVagabond]

Is that the best rebuttal you've got? Pathetic.

Quit picking fights. What you said didn't deserve a rebuttal. It got exactly the response it deserved.

 

[Homeles]

Except it actually has a lot of truth to it. AMD set the pricing bar for 28nm. Nvidia is just following it.

So no, I did not deserve that. The childishness around here is absolutely absurd.

 

[notty22]

I think you're giving nVidia too much credit. These are the same people who won't buy an AMD card regardless of price or performance. When AMD releases a card they'll suffer through lower performance with their last gen nVidia card for 6mos, and then foaming at the mouth pay whatever the price is nVidia is asking for their latest and greatest. Again, price performance doesn't even come into the equation.

Actually Groove, are you actually saying that you'll not buy it if it's 50%-60% faster than the last gen and $900? Because, even though you complain, you still give them your money every year.

You already gave us your best Dr Phil impression, of telling us what's going on in other's minds. Here:

People will pay 10%-20% more for an nVidia card that's slower by 10%-20% than an AMD card. If it were 25% faster... it would be worth twice as much to them. You would then hear the, "If you want the fastest then you pay the price."

I'm very interested to see if it's @ ~732MHz what it will O/C too.

You try to hard to justify why AMD can't seem to compete(financially /market traction). It's everyone's fault, the Nvidia buyers, but never short comings of AMD. Those are all misunderstandings

 

[Grooveriding]

I think you're giving nVidia too much credit. These are the same people who won't buy an AMD card regardless of price or performance. When AMD releases a card they'll suffer through lower performance with their last gen nVidia card for 6mos, and then foaming at the mouth pay whatever the price is nVidia is asking for their latest and greatest. Again, price performance doesn't even come into the equation.

Actually Groove, are you actually saying that you'll not buy it if it's 50%-60% faster than the last gen and $900? Because, even though you complain, you still give them your money every year.

It will be a great card and will sell out day one. It's beyond the threshold of where I'll go for a single GPU though. If you have the outright fastest card you can charge a premium for it and the people who want the best card are going to pay it regardless.

For me it's beyond where I'm comfortable spending, especially as I'd need two of them to make it worth my while. I have no problem with the price if it turns out that way. I'm just playing around with the irony of how emotional brand attachments filter the optics on how AMD's & nvidia's similar actions are absorbed, even when we are getting into a near 100% price hike

 

[3DVagabond]

Except it actually has a lot of truth to it. AMD set the pricing bar for 28nm. Nvidia is just following it.

So no, I did not deserve that. The childishness around here is absolutely absurd.

If you could just state your position without throwing in stuff like pathetic, and childishness, you'd be on the right path.

So, you are saying that AMD releasing the 7970 at the same current price at the time as nVidia's previous generation 3gig flagship card is what's making nVidia almost double the price of the next generations flagship? Remember the 580 3gig was on the market at $550 when the 7970 was released. That was OK with people because that was the price of admission for the fastest GPU. While people admitted it was poor value, they accepted that is what it cost and that price and performance don't scale linearly.

Then AMD did the unexpected and didn't try and be the price/perf champion. They went with the current market instead of blowing it out of the water. GK110 at $900 is not at all related. nVidia saw that they can sell a small die for $500 and are going to try and make the same margins on GK110. I wouldn't be surprised if this current leak is just to see peoples reaction. There appears to be plenty of people willing to pay it. Don't worry though, they'll release it at something less than that (at least in North America to capture all of the US headlines) and look like heroes. Just like they did with GK104.

 

[3DVagabond]

You already gave us your best Dr Phil impression, of telling us what's going on in other's minds. Here:
You try to hard to justify why AMD can't seem to compete(financially /market traction). It's everyone's fault, the Nvidia buyers, but never short comings of AMD. Those are all misunderstandings

Nah, you misunderstand me. I didn't reference what's in their minds, just their buying practices.

 

[boxleitnerb]

The 7970 and the 680 seem to be roughly on par with power consumption as well (non 7970 ghz edition).

No. For the love of god, please stop referencing TPU for this. They use one (ONE, 1) game. Yes, in Crysis 2 they are on par, on average over many games they are not.

You've got to hand it to nvidia for manipulating their market and buyers as well as they do.

GTX 280/285 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500,
GTX 480/580 500mm2 die 60-70% perf increase over the last node's flagship $500
GTX 780/Titan 500mm2 die 100% perf increase over the last node's flagship $900...

GTX680 is 35% faster than GTX580. GTX Titan will be 50% faster than GTX680. That makes Titan a good 100% faster than the GTX580: 1.35*1.5=2.025

Btw as for launch prices:

7970 was 30% faster than 6970 but cost 50% more (MSRP at launch)
Titan will be 50% faster than 680 and cost 80% more (MSRP at launch)
Same ratio, just saying. Let's give Nvidia the same 6 months that AMD had to lower prices, improve drivers and release the GHz Edition to arrive at today value.

 

[lavaheadache]

Is that the best rebuttal you've got? Pathetic.

How many cards did NV launch north of $500? Answer: Nearly all the flagship cards in the last decade.

 

[lavaheadache]

Except it actually has a lot of truth to it. AMD set the pricing bar for 28nm. Nvidia is just following it.

So no, I did not deserve that. The childishness around here is absolutely absurd.

childishness? All I did was laugh at your statement and you called me pathetic. Teapot, meet Kettle

 

[3DVagabond]

No. For the love of god, please stop referencing TPU for this. They use one (ONE, 1) game. Yes, in Crysis 2 they are on par, on average over many games they are not.



GTX680 is 35% faster than GTX580. GTX Titan will be 50% faster than GTX680. That makes Titan a good 100% faster than the GTX580: 1.35*1.5=2.025

Btw as for launch prices:

7970 was 30% faster than 6970 but cost 50% more (MSRP at launch)
Titan will be 50% faster than 680 and cost 80% more (MSRP at launch)
Same ratio, just saying. Let's give Nvidia the same 6 months that AMD had to lower prices, improve drivers and release the GHz Edition to arrive at today value.

It's pretty obvious that the 6970 was not the card that set the price of the 7970. It was the 580 3gig.

 

[Grooveriding]

No. For the love of god, please stop referencing TPU for this. They use one (ONE, 1) game. Yes, in Crysis 2 they are on par, on average over many games they are not.



GTX680 is 35% faster than GTX580. GTX Titan will be 50% faster than GTX680. That makes Titan a good 100% faster than the GTX580: 1.35*1.5=2.025

Btw as for launch prices:

7970 was 30% faster than 6970 but cost 50% more (MSRP at launch)
Titan will be 50% faster than 680 and cost 80% more (MSRP at launch)
Same ratio, just saying. Let's give Nvidia the same 6 months that AMD had to lower prices, improve drivers and release the GHz Edition to arrive at today value.

7970 was 45% faster than 6970 at launch, it was the 680 that was 30% faster than the 580 at launch. The 6970 was also $400 at the time and the 7970 went for $550, that is about 35% more in price. Let's not get too revisionist here, the ratio is nowhere near the same.

I think 100% faster than a 580 is a too optimistic, a bit of pre-launch over-excitement like we saw over the 680 and statements it would be 60% faster than a 580 and cost $300. It is a big chip of course, could likely wind up 80% faster or so. Either way, if you have the fastest card you can charge a premium for it, that's how it is. Most of the people who buy one of these will be the same people who paid $550 at 7970's launch to have the best card on the market. You can take this segment of buyers to the cleaners and fleece them on pricing and they'll still pay a premium, I've paid it many times.

$900 though.. poooweee.. that's really taking it to another level. If that price is accurate it will likely only hold up until AMD releases whatever they have coming to replace the 7970. February seems possible for the card as well since that is when Crysis 3 is coming out and is a good game to release alongside and bundle with.

 

[Haserath]

Rising costs, low volume, biggest die ever, and the price to go with it.

It all fits.