GeForce Titan coming end of February

[tviceman]

Huh?

The K20 itself runs at 702 MHz and 225W TDP, while the K20X is 732MHz and 235W TDP. The K20X also has 2688 cores while the K20 has 2496.....Are you expecting the Titanium to be clocked higher than even the K20X?

From here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6446/nvidia-launches-tesla-k20-k20x-gk110-arrives-at-last

Yes I am expecting Titan to be clocked significantly higher than K20X. Do the math and you'll see that 732mhz 14 SMX part comes nowhere close to 85% of a gtx690. GTX480 and GTX580 were both clocked higher than their Tesla counterparts, and core clocks scaled higher (percentage wise) than TDP did when comparing the Geforce and Tesla parts. I expect the same behavior to hold true for GK110, and without the hotclocks core clocks should scale up faster vs. TDP than with GF100/GF110.

 

[Grooveriding]

Not touching this card if it's actually $899, that's plain retarded for a card slower than a 690. I like to upgrade, but shelling out $2000 for a SLI setup of these is way too much cash.

They started with the $500 300mm2 die and now its $900 for the full blown die, nice $400 markup from the past. lol.

If its significantly faster than anything AMD puts out it will get bought nonetheless though. I'm assuming this forum will have months of crying about it being too expensive and premium pricing... lol.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

$900 bucks for 50% more speed than a 680. I'll take a $500 amd card that is only 20% faster than a 7970 and overclock it 20% assuming clock scaling holds true from gcn overclocks that would be a much better buy.

 

[Will Robinson]

"Titan"?


Sounds like a condom.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

$899... If true I guess they only plan on selling 20,000 or so over it's production lifetime. Many of the gk104 rumors were debunked as it's release drew near, hopefully the same thing happens in regards to this supposed MSRP.

I like the name though.

They sell the vast majority of GK110 as Tesla cards, for a much higher price. As they provide the volume, the only reason to sell them as gaming GPUs at all is to collect the money of the people who are willing to pay more for a GPU.

 

[flopper]

$900 bucks for 50% more speed than a 680. I'll take a $500 amd card that is only 20% faster than a 7970 and overclock it 20% assuming clock scaling holds true from gcn overclocks that would be a much better buy.

Better buy and logic dont apply to this kind of buy patterns
It be surpassed in a few months anyhow.

 

[yepp]

AMD should name their rival card Olympian, just because.

 

[blackened23]

What about Boost with this sku?

Good point. Higher clocks are quite plausible with the boost feature. Anxious to hear more news on this part...

 

[GotNoRice]

So if I'm currently running GTX680 SLI, then it sounds like this won't be an upgrade.

I think it's also a bit funny that I live only about an hour from Nvidia HQ but have to go to random Swedish news sites to read about rumors.

I'm probably going to stick with my current plan and wait until haswell, and get a board that can do 3 or 4-way SLI so I can expand upon my two 680s.

I have to say that the 680s at $500 a pop were already a tough pill to swallow, and I think that's about where my upper limit is. I don't see myself realistically ever paying $700+ for a single card, for sure not $899+Tax.

 

[Homeles]

So if I'm currently running GTX680 SLI, then it sounds like this won't be an upgrade.

It would be unreasonable to have expected it to be.

 

[raghu78]

the fact that this card is priced at USD 900 means volume at launch will be low. it would take atleast a quarter for yields and volumes to allow much more aggressive pricing , say around USD 650.

What the market needs is for AMD to pull off a HD 4870 act and launch the HD 8970 with 90% of GTX 780 aka Geforce Titan performance at USD 500. now that would ignite some fierce competition and benefit the market. :biggrin:

 

[Homeles]

What allowed that was the HD 4870's small die size. That's not happening again.

 

[Rikard]

the fact that this card is priced at USD 900 means volume at launch will be low.

I would expect the same, yes. But there is always someone willing to buy at any price to have the fastest and meanest card on the market. I doubt NV are actually gaining much revenue from this, but the PR value of taking back the performance crown from the 7970GE should not be understated.

 

[raghu78]

What allowed that was the HD 4870's small die size. That's not happening again.

yeah to an extent that is true. But given AMD's tendency to not go for 500 sq mm dies there is every possibility that AMD's HD 8970 might be 450 sq mm or lesser. You have to remember GK110 has all the DP fat , ECC and tesla features which take up valuable die space which GK104 did not have and which AMD had in HD 7970. So the relative growth in die size will be lower for AMD HD 8970. With better yields than Geforce GTX 780 (which is rumoured to be Nvidia's largest die at close to 600 sq mm) AMD can strike it big with proper pricing and performance. If HD 8970 reaches 85 % of GTX 780 performance and launches at USD 500 its another HD 4870 moment for AMD and a big win for consumers. I think AMD might have learnt a lesson from Nvidia GTX 680 launch. get your pricing and launch day drivers / performance right and you have guaranteed yourself a good start in the next gen battle. :biggrin:

GTX 690 is slightly slower than GTX 680 SLI. assuming 1.8x GTX 680 performance , the GTX 780 is 0.85 x 1.8x = 1.53x .

85% of 1.53x GTX 680 is 0.85 x 1.53 x GTX 680 perormance = .85 x 1.53 = 1.3x GTX 680 performance

currently the HD 7970 Ghz is 7% faster than GTX 680 on average at 1080p and 11% faster at 1600p.

http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/page12.html

AMD needs a 22% improvement over HD 7970 Ghz (1.07 x 1.22 = 1.305) to achieve that goal of 1.3x GTX 680 performance which would put them at 85% of GTX 780. definitely achievable. :thumbsup:

 

[DooKey]

I like video cards. I'm in for two Titan's.

 

[thilanliyan]

I'm assuming this forum will have months of crying about it being too expensive and premium pricing... lol.

QFT...oh wait this is nVidia...they are "premium" cards with "premium" pricing. ()

I'm guessing we won't hear much about the pricing lol...cause ya know, gotta pay to have the best*. :biggrin:

$899 (if that is the actual price) is a lot to pay for a video card IMO, but I'm sure people will buy them.







*premium only applies to nVidia

 

[Ferzerp]

And so the "hooray for my side, boo for the other side" circle jerk begins.

 

[DrBoss]

I will be interested once MSI gets a Twin Frozr cooler mounted to it.

 

[blackened23]

I will be interested once MSI gets a Twin Frozr cooler mounted to it.

All designs are reference, deviations aren't allowed. (similar to GTX 690)

 

[f1sherman]

GTX 690 is slightly slower than GTX 680 SLI. assuming 1.8x GTX 680 performance , the GTX 780 is 0.85 x 1.8x = 1.53x .

85% of 1.53x GTX 680 is 0.85 x 1.53 x GTX 680 perormance = .85 x 1.53 = 1.3x GTX 680 performance

AMD needs a 22% improvement over HD 7970 Ghz (1.07 x 1.22 = 1.305) to achieve that goal of 1.3x GTX 680 performance which would put them at 85% of GTX 780. definitely achievable. :thumbsup:

lol

FIND AN ERROR...

(nevermind "GTX 690 [...]assuming 1.8x GTX 680 performance ")

EDIT:nvm... my keyboard is too fast, and my internet too slow. your math is good

 

[Ferzerp]

Looking at other info, at similar clocks, I would actually expect it to compare favorably with 680 SLI (not be an upgrade). It's 1.875x the processing power (at the same clock), with no SLI overhead (and as we all know, like for like power, single GPU is always better).

It all depends on how it is clocked.

I'd not upgrade from two 680's to one of these, but two of these may be interesting.

 

[Wall Street]

They sell the vast majority of GK110 as Tesla cards, for a much higher price. As they provide the volume, the only reason to sell them as gaming GPUs at all is to collect the money of the people who are willing to pay more for a GPU.

Don't forget the Halo. I think that nVidia has realized for quite some time that much of the GPU battle is won with the performance crown. If this card is much faster than the 7970 Ghz, this actually shifts the marketing and sells more cards for nVidia all the way down to the GTX 650s and 660s vs. HD 7700 and 7850 battle, even though those cards haven't changed.

 

[raghu78]

Looking at other info, at similar clocks, I would actually expect it to compare favorably with 680 SLI (not be an upgrade). It's 1.875x the processing power (at the same clock), with no SLI overhead (and as we all know, like for like power, single GPU is always better).

It all depends on how it is clocked.

I'd not upgrade from two 680's to one of these, but two of these may be interesting.

rarely can you expect a single GPU to scale perfectly linearly with extra stream processors. also according to article Nvidia seems to be releasing a 14 SMX version as GTX 780. probably they are disabling one SMX for yield reasons. so 1.75x more stream processors. even with 1.75x the number of stream processors you can expect a 1.7x at same clocks. since power is the major constraining factor i expect Nvidia to clock at 900 mhz. so its likely that performance is around 50% faster than GTX 680.

anyway unless we see the final product reviewed we won't know the exact specs and performance. but the expectations have been set for a 50% faster chip.

 

[boxleitnerb]

rarely can you expect a single GPU to scale perfectly linearly with extra stream processors.

Nope, they actually scale perfectly - as long as the bandwidth is sufficient. The 680 is a double 650 Ti in every regard and clocked about 10% higher. And it has 220-230% of the 650 Ti's performance. Go figure

 

[3DVagabond]

Yeah I guess so. I so sleep deprived (wife and I just had first kid, he is six weeks old today) that I don't feel like making any effort for anything.

I have a feeling this price tag won't stick for all that long. If the 8970 is 25% faster than 7970GE, then it will only be 15-20% slower than Geforce Titan. AMD wouldn't price the 8970 at $699, would they?

People will pay 10%-20% more for an nVidia card that's slower by 10%-20% than an AMD card. If it were 25% faster... it would be worth twice as much to them. You would then hear the, "If you want the fastest then you pay the price."

I'm very interested to see if it's @ ~732MHz what it will O/C too.