Geforce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD PART2

[nealh]

the problem here is recurring in the computer industry...putting out a product that is poorly tested, lacks promised features and stability....this is true of the hardware and software industry...as an industry the quality is truly crappy

The fact these companies have no remorse or concern for there actions is disgusting and pisses me off to no end...if I pay for something I expect it to perform as advertised..all the features better be there as well

When these companies fail I have no compassion..their business model suck and I am convinced most of the features that fail to work is deliberate engineering failure with no concern to notify the customer of this..there is no excuse

do not defend the industry this allow and provides them license to continue this abhoring behavior...

while I am no fan of ligitation these are examples of where class action suits are appropriate....misleading, misadvertising products is wrong....they need to punished to prevent this from continuing and unfortunately a lawsuit for many of these companies is the only way

I pay for the product and expect it to work....very sad that this just persists in this industry

I am not singling out nvidia...many software and hardware companies have been quilty of this

I had no idea when I purchased my 6800 that this was defective hardware on the card..wonder whether this effects any other parts of the card's performance in 2d/3d apps

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Rollo
The 6600GT is a decent alternative to a 6800GT if you buy two and SLI, or get on of the two 6600GT cards.

The only thing you trade off is 16X12 4X8X, and as much as some of you seem to care about PVP functionality, I'd think that would be a trade you'd make.

You can't use multi-monitor if you use SLI. I'll give up computing entirely if I can't use dual monitors.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: Rollo
The 6600GT is a decent alternative to a 6800GT if you buy two and SLI, or get on of the two 6600GT cards.

The only thing you trade off is 16X12 4X8X, and as much as some of you seem to care about PVP functionality, I'd think that would be a trade you'd make.

You can't use multi-monitor if you use SLI. I'll give up computing entirely if I can't use dual monitors.

Then you'll be happy to know there are solutions coming that offer 6800GT level performance at up to 12X10 4X8X, dual DVI, and VIVO:

http://www.digit-life.com/news.html?112573

EN6600GT Dual has two DVI-I interfaces, 9-pin S-Video that also supports video capture (with Philips SAA7114H chip).

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: housecat
I dont consider my view to be emotional at all. As I've said, I think its the only rational and logical view.

I think that if you want to 'cry/moan/threaten' in peace then why dont you just say that? But you are the only one who has. Because right now, its intended purpose is to "have a central place for this issue", or so stated the OP. Moaning some is OK.. you have a right too.. but dude, its been 3 threads now.
Ridiculous.

Its bordering on Nvidia hatred, three threads out.. and eating bandwidth that you dont pay for as well. Which is prob why (among other things) the other two got locked.

And there we have the problem. I wouldn't presume to tell you what was "rational and logical" if you were in the same boat I am. And even though you don't want to admit it, you have a strong emotional tie to this thread. If this weren't true why are you spending so much time offering options to, and if that doesn't work, ridiculing people who feel burned?

Ridiculous, in your view, or not HC, it's simply wrong for you to behave the way you are towards people who have every right to be pissed. That many haven't gotten over it in the time frame you think they should have doesn't change anything.

And what if, for some, it IS hatred, HC? Why is that an issue for you to be concerned about? Nope, I'm not paying for bandwidth either, but this is a forum for discussion, isn't it? It's not a place where people are told to shut up because a FEW seem to care more for a companies right to screw people than they do for the people who got screwed. When Anand gets tired of it they'll shut it down. Until then, why not just ignore it, since it doesn't affect you?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: housecat
Your answers seem feasible. But I really dont understand what your goal is here.

My goal here is just to point out that the people saying "So what? This isn't a big deal." are missing the bigger picture, which is that NVIDIA was at best ignorant of the state of their own hardware development, and at worst was intentionally misleading their customers. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle, which is not exactly reassuring.

I'm pretty much down with the "5 option plan".. and I wish someone could outline what new is goign to arise from this "3rd" investigation on the subject.

In terms of things that will happen besides discussion? Probably very little. Had I actually purchased one of these cards, I would definitely consider at least *filing* a class-action lawsuit (I don't know how much effort is required to do so), but since I did not buy one before this whole thing became public, I could probably not be part of such a suit.

Also, the "5 option plan" presented above is pretty lacking.

1. Start a class action lawsuit against nvidia. (this would be just like banging your head against a brick wall.)

Note that, to me, the point of such a suit would not be to get some sort of monetary compensation or a new video card (which, I admit, is unlikely to happen), but to draw attention to this whole fiasco in a more public forum, and to force NVIDIA to deal with the issue in some way, and hopefully to change their future behavior. At some point, computer hardware companies have to stop making their paying customers unwilling participants in a public beta-testing program.

2. Sell your 6800's and buy a 6600GT (Fully functional PVP and a nice gaming card)

Except that it's a downgrade in terms of the rest of the functionality of the card (and if going from a 6800GT or Ultra to a 6600GT, it's a pretty significant one).

3. Take the Plextor option that has been spoken of in here.
4. Sell your 6800 and get yourself hardware (besides 6600GT) that can help you do what you need to do.

Part of the issue is that, practically, there is nothing else with the same capabilities out there (at least within a comparable price range). The Plextor product described above only works for MPEG2 decode (not WMV or DivX/MPEG4 or anything else that might be developed). Sure, you could buy a system with a very fast CPU, but that costs even more money, and for an HTPC, it often does other undesirable things, like requiring much noisier cooling -- and still doesn't work all that well for decoding HD video in real time. If there was a simple drop-in hardware solution that did all the same things NVIDIA said their cards would do, this would be much less of an issue.

5. Sit idle and do nothing but continue to ask questions that have already been answered ten fold.

Not really a very appealing option, I have to admit.

Ok. So what other option is there? If what you say is accurate, the ONLY way for everyone to get what they desire is to purchase a 6200/6600 based card. If all they desire is to get their current 6800's a fix and everything is peachy, well, thats just NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.. (pardon the caps)
I feel for all you guys, but for God's sake, take some action and get what you say you need.
If you sue Nvidia, its no skin off my nose. I'm just telling you not to waste your time there.
Matthias, I agree that downgrading to a 6600GT will substantially reduce gaming performance, but most of these guys say they don't game much and bought the 6800's explicitly for the PVP functionality.
And a 6600GT does kick some arse in games.

People like JJ keep telling me to mind my own business and stay out, but all I have been doing is trying to provide, what seems to me, simple and logical solutions. There is something they can do but just won't do it. They could be enjoying their PVP processors right at this moment, but they choose to just sit and stew. And yes, option 5 is definately not the best choice.

 

[nRollo]

There's an old saying Keys:
"It's easier point at the burning outhouse than put out the fire"

None of these guys are going to take any of your suggestions. They'd rather post over and over and over about how "they have a right to be mad", "we'll sue!", and "nVidia should give us something!".

It's pretty sad when you think about it. Pointlessly posting over and over and over what they want and doing nothing whatsoever to get it, like nVidia people actually hang around AT and are going to read their posts and say,"We should give those guys something, or they'll just keep posting over and over and over what bad guys we are!"

Sure.

The amount of people who actually care about this is miniscule. They're not going to hurt nVidia's next gen sales.

Know how I know this?

Look at the fabled "bad Dx9 performance" of the nV3X series. As these are primarily video gaming cards, and DX9 is supposedly a "very big deal", you would think that would be a MUCH bigger issue than acceleration of a little used video format. Did sales/market share of the nV40 drop due to the nV3X? No. Everyone bought nV40s.

I'll start caring about WMV not working on the two nV40s I bought when I start caring about everything else that hasn't worked on first gen hardware I've bought over the years.

The people perpetuating this are on an annoying nVidia witch hunt, they get some sort of ego gratification form the complaining, some sense of comraderie with the other complainers.

BTW- I'd be posting this same stuff if they were incessantly quibbling about ATI, Matrox, or XGI as well.

Perhaps the worst part of this is the flaming of Anand himself for not joining the little Quixote-esque crusade. Flaming a guy on a board he pays for is like going to dinner at someone's house and telling them how the wine and steak are sub par at the dinner table. It's one thing to post you are concerned that Anand didn't address the PVP issue more, it's another to flame him and accuse him of being on the nV payroll.
I'm glad I had parents who cared enough to teach me what's wrong about this.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Rollo
There's an old saying Keys:
"It's easier point at the burning outhouse than put out the fire"

None of these guys are going to take any of your suggestions. They'd rather post over and over and over about how "they have a right to be mad", "we'll sue!", and "nVidia should give us something!".

Does it matter at all that your "suggestions" were solicited? Moreover, it seems like the only two ways to avoid being lambasted\made fun of\talked down to by you and the elite few is to implement YOUR options or just shut up. For the sake of free, -voluntary- discussion, you need to be moderated, Rollo.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Rollo
There's an old saying Keys:
"It's easier point at the burning outhouse than put out the fire"

None of these guys are going to take any of your suggestions. They'd rather post over and over and over about how "they have a right to be mad", "we'll sue!", and "nVidia should give us something!".

Does it matter at all that your "suggestions" were solicited? Moreover, it seems like the only two ways to avoid being lambasted\made fun of\talked down to by you and the elite few is to implement YOUR options or just shut up. For the sake of free, -voluntary- discussion, you need to be moderated, Rollo.

So your saying that the creation of this THIRD thread is for discussion only and no help can be offered unless explicitly asked for? The creation of this thread is a solicitation for discussion, help, different suggestions, and anything else anyone cares to post. But that's just perfect hardwarrior. It is obvious you are not thinking before you "speak" it.

Solutions were presented, you say they are unsolicited. This means that you don't want solutions or you are too embarrassed realizing that you didn't think of them yourself, but a person who does not even have your problem came up with an answer. Common psychology.

Unsolicited my A$$.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Rollo
There's an old saying Keys:
"It's easier point at the burning outhouse than put out the fire"

None of these guys are going to take any of your suggestions. They'd rather post over and over and over about how "they have a right to be mad", "we'll sue!", and "nVidia should give us something!".

Does it matter at all that your "suggestions" were solicited? Moreover, it seems like the only two ways to avoid being lambasted\made fun of\talked down to by you and the elite few is to implement YOUR options or just shut up. For the sake of free, -voluntary- discussion, you need to be moderated, Rollo.

So your saying that the creation of this THIRD thread is for discussion only and no help can be offered unless explicitly asked for? The creation of this thread is a solicitation for discussion, help, different suggestions, and anything else anyone cares to post. But that's just perfect hardwarrior. It is obvious you are not thinking before you "speak" it.

Solutions were presented, you say they are unsolicited. This means that you don't want solutions or you are too embarrassed realizing that you didn't think of them yourself, but a person who does not even have your problem came up with an answer. Common psychology.

Unsolicited my A$$.

Don't put words in my mouth. I can express myself quite well without your help. What people like you refuse to understand is that no one here is obliged to accept anything you say, especially when it?s delivered in such an arrogant, condescending manner. The usual response under these conditions, when you've done your best to put down the rabble, is to grow angry that you aren't being heeded and lash out like a 2-year old. When one considers that you, and those who view this situation the way you do, have no dog in this hunt, I can't help but wonder why the behavior of those who do bothers you THIS much. Also, "unsolicited advice" is just that, unsolicited. Most people with healthy egos would comprehend that right away, without having to slather something so simple with so much self-serving BS. You just aren't as indispensable as you want so BADLY to believe you are. Sorry.

Since you seem to be incapable of acting like anything other than a preening ass, with your lame insults coated in pseudo-psychology, I'll just leave it right here. Thanks.

 

[Tavoc]

Well first of all, I cannot actually believe that some people are suggesting that people should just accept this kind of behavior from any company. If you have no problem with companies advertising features that do not work then you do not need to post in this thread, very easy and simple.

Second, there are still vital questions that have gone unanswered. For instance, will NVidia ever produce a 6800 GT that is fully functional? What would be the timeframe for such a revision? How would the consumer be able to indentify the newly modified card? Could there possibly be an exchange program for users that bought the defective product? If so, which companies would be honoring an exchange?

Questions like these could possibly be answered if there was enough outcry to warrant a more detailed Nvidia response. It seems quite illogical and irrational for some people here to be demanding that this thread be closed, especially since it doesnt affect them at all.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Rollo
There's an old saying Keys:
"It's easier point at the burning outhouse than put out the fire"

None of these guys are going to take any of your suggestions. They'd rather post over and over and over about how "they have a right to be mad", "we'll sue!", and "nVidia should give us something!".

Does it matter at all that your "suggestions" were solicited? Moreover, it seems like the only two ways to avoid being lambasted\made fun of\talked down to by you and the elite few is to implement YOUR options or just shut up. For the sake of free, -voluntary- discussion, you need to be moderated, Rollo.

So your saying that the creation of this THIRD thread is for discussion only and no help can be offered unless explicitly asked for? The creation of this thread is a solicitation for discussion, help, different suggestions, and anything else anyone cares to post. But that's just perfect hardwarrior. It is obvious you are not thinking before you "speak" it.

Solutions were presented, you say they are unsolicited. This means that you don't want solutions or you are too embarrassed realizing that you didn't think of them yourself, but a person who does not even have your problem came up with an answer. Common psychology.

Unsolicited my A$$.

Don't put words in my mouth. I can express myself quite well without your help. What people like you refuse to understand is that no one here is obliged to accept anything you say, especially when it?s delivered in such an arrogant, condescending manner. The usual response under these conditions, when you're done your best to put down the rabble, is to grow angry that you aren't being heeded and lash out like a 2-year old. When one considers that you, and those who view this situation the way you do, have no dog in this hunt, I can't help but wonder why the behavior of those who do bothers you THIS much. Also, "unsolicited advice" is just that, unsolicited. Most people with healthy egos would comprehend that right away, without having to slather something so simple with so much self-serving BS. You just aren't as indispensable as you want so BADLY to believe you are. Sorry.

Since you seem to be incapable of acting like anything other than a preening ass, with your lame insults coated in pseudo-psychology, I'll just leave it right here. Thanks.

IT DOESN"T BOTHER ME YOU F*****ING M*R*N. I am trying to help. Hows that for lashing out!!!
Die.

 

[HardWarrior]

Well, aren't you a charmer, key. How's that for lashing out? :laugh: Just as childish, ignorant and FUTILE as I've come to expect from you and the forum-daddy crowd.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Well, aren't you a charmer, key. How's that for lashing out? :laugh: Just as childish, ignorant and FUTILE as I've come to expect from you and the forum-daddy crowd.

Yes, I thought that would please you.

So, why don't you want suggestions from me? Or anyone else?

It's a very simple question. You know what the answer is. So why don't you just fess up.
Me, not having a PVP crisis is not a valid answer because anyone can offer help.
If you want, you can consider me having 4 "dogs" in this issue because I own 4 6800 based cards.
So, now that that excuse is out the window, what's up?

Having trouble?

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Tavoc
If you have no problem with companies advertising features that do not work then you do not need to post in this thread, very easy and simple.

If it were only that simple. Unfortunately some people cannot stand to see their beloved company talked about in any non-flattering light and will do anything to steer discussion away from such blasphemous accusations, even if the problem doesn't affect them in the slightest. Why they take it so personally is beyond me and most other rational members.

Second, there are still vital questions that have gone unanswered. For instance, will NVidia ever produce a 6800 GT that is fully functional? What would be the timeframe for such a revision? How would the consumer be able to indentify the newly modified card? Could there possibly be an exchange program for users that bought the defective product? If so, which companies would be honoring an exchange?

Uh-oh, you asked a few logical questions. Be prepared for a flurry of misdirecting OT comments along the lines of "Nvidia is a 1st rate company, what hole-in-the-wall company do YOU work for?" or "I'd like to see YOU build a better video card!" or something like that.

Personally, I've asked myself (and others) those same questions.

Questions 1 & 2 - I haven't heard any discussion/rumors of the NV40/NV45 core being updated to fix the problem. There IS a small piece on XBit claiming a possible fix is in the works, but that's been said before. For now assume it's not ever going to work on any cards with either of those two cores.
Questions 3 & 4 - Currently Nvidia is engaged in the "pretend the problem doesn't exist and it will all eventually go away" strategy. So basically, there IS no spoon.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Well, aren't you a charmer, key. How's that for lashing out? :laugh: Just as childish, ignorant and FUTILE as I've come to expect from you and the forum-daddy crowd.

Yes, I thought that would please you.

So, why don't you want suggestions from me? Or anyone else?

It's a very simple question. You know what the answer is. So why don't you just fess up.
Me, not having a PVP crisis is not a valid answer because anyone can offer help.
If you want, you can consider me having 4 "dogs" in this issue because I own 4 6800 based cards.
So, now that that excuse is out the window, what's up?

Having trouble?

I don't recall saying I was pleased by your behavior. Stop assuming, if you can.

Why? Because I've already made up my mind as to how I should deal with the situation, and I did so without any advice. And just to be crystal clear about this, it's not your seeming need to offer solutions unbidden, it's the nastiness that follows when ANYONE doesn't choose to follow them. And no, you could own 1000 6800's and it wouldn't change the nature of your posts or behavior. You've decided that you have veto rights over this thread and that NV is pure as the driven snow. This adds up to you not being angry at being cheated and lied to, and having the AUDACITY to think that you can TELL others to strike the same posture.

There you go assuming again. Wouldn't it be more prudent to wait for a response from me and not answer your own questions? Should I expect more flaming and suggestions that I should die now that I've again refused to allow you to superceed my judgement with your own?

Trouble? No, actually I'm just fine in every respect. Thanks for your concern.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Well, aren't you a charmer, key. How's that for lashing out? :laugh: Just as childish, ignorant and FUTILE as I've come to expect from you and the forum-daddy crowd.

Yes, I thought that would please you.

So, why don't you want suggestions from me? Or anyone else?

It's a very simple question. You know what the answer is. So why don't you just fess up.
Me, not having a PVP crisis is not a valid answer because anyone can offer help.
If you want, you can consider me having 4 "dogs" in this issue because I own 4 6800 based cards.
So, now that that excuse is out the window, what's up?

Having trouble?

I don't recall saying I was pleased by your behavior. Stop assuming, if you can.

Why? Because I've already made up my mind as to how I should deal with the situation, and I did so without any advice. And just to be crystal clear about this, it's not your seeming need to offer solutions unbidden, it's the nastiness that follows when ANYONE doesn't choose to follow them. And no, you could own 1000 6800's and it wouldn't change the nature of your posts or behavior. You've decided that you have veto rights over this thread and that NV is pure as the driven snow. This adds up to you not being angry at being cheated and lied to, and having the AUDACITY to think that you can TELL others to strike the same posture.

There you go assuming again. Wouldn't it be more prudent to wait for a response from me and not answer your own questions? Should I expect more flaming and suggestions that I should die now that I've again refused to allow you to superceed my judgement with your own?

Trouble? No, actually I'm just fine in every respect. Thanks for your concern.

For the last time, I am not telling you how to "feel". I am not telling you that you were "not cheated".
I do not care about PVP but others do. I am not, nor can I, enforce my opinions on anyone. I am here to help, not get lectured by someone who does not want it. If you don't like my advice, do you think you have to tell me that you don't have to take it? That's why we call it advice, and not command.

Yes, I have the Audacity to inquire why simple solutions aren't being pursued. If you have already chosen the path you are going to take, why post further in this thread? Do you have the Audacity to try to sway others into taking the same path you chose? I don't see why else you would be posting in here.
I can picture you thinking as you read this, "Where do you get off having the AUDACITY to tell me when and where I should post!" Well, I'm not. You just assume these things. If you don't like my suggestions, do you think I care? Well, I might a little when someone posts that all of my suggestion are unacceptable as someone in here did. But I won't lose sleep over it.

I am going to be "prudent" now and wait for you to answer my question.
Here it is again: So, why don't you want suggestions from me? Or anyone else?

Waiting......

 

[jjzelinski]

Stick it to the man Key's! Power to the people!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Stick it to the man Key's! Power to the people!

Sarcasm detector is broken, sorry.
Whether you realize it or not, I just want to help out here. No need for all this fighting.

Keys.

 

[jjzelinski]

Well I would agree with you there, but the repeated calls for "locK" and "bans" kind of set the tone for hostility don't you think?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Well I would agree with you there, but the repeated calls for "locK" and "bans" kind of set the tone for hostility don't you think?

Yes, I agree. I mentioned lock because of Duvies "resident moron" comment, but he apologized and I appreciate that.

Ok, banning all hostilities. JJ, what do you think you will end up doing?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Well, aren't you a charmer, key. How's that for lashing out? :laugh: Just as childish, ignorant and FUTILE as I've come to expect from you and the forum-daddy crowd.

Yes, I thought that would please you.

So, why don't you want suggestions from me? Or anyone else?

It's a very simple question. You know what the answer is. So why don't you just fess up.
Me, not having a PVP crisis is not a valid answer because anyone can offer help.
If you want, you can consider me having 4 "dogs" in this issue because I own 4 6800 based cards.
So, now that that excuse is out the window, what's up?

Having trouble?

I don't recall saying I was pleased by your behavior. Stop assuming, if you can.

Why? Because I've already made up my mind as to how I should deal with the situation, and I did so without any advice. And just to be crystal clear about this, it's not your seeming need to offer solutions unbidden, it's the nastiness that follows when ANYONE doesn't choose to follow them. And no, you could own 1000 6800's and it wouldn't change the nature of your posts or behavior. You've decided that you have veto rights over this thread and that NV is pure as the driven snow. This adds up to you not being angry at being cheated and lied to, and having the AUDACITY to think that you can TELL others to strike the same posture.

There you go assuming again. Wouldn't it be more prudent to wait for a response from me and not answer your own questions? Should I expect more flaming and suggestions that I should die now that I've again refused to allow you to superceed my judgement with your own?

Trouble? No, actually I'm just fine in every respect. Thanks for your concern.

For the last time, I am not telling you how to "feel". I am not telling you that you were "not cheated".
I do not care about PVP but others do. I am not, nor can I, enforce my opinions on anyone. I am here to help, not get lectured by someone who does not want it. If you don't like my advice, do you think you have to tell me that you don't have to take it? That's why we call it advice, and not command.

Yes, I have the Audacity to inquire why simple solutions aren't being pursued. If you have already chosen the path you are going to take, why post further in this thread? Do you have the Audacity to try to sway others into taking the same path you chose? I don't see why else you would be posting in here.
I can picture you thinking as you read this, "Where do you get off having the AUDACITY to tell me when and where I should post!" Well, I'm not. You just assume these things. If you don't like my suggestions, do you think I care? Well, I might a little when someone posts that all of my suggestion are unacceptable as someone in here did. But I won't lose sleep over it.

I am going to be "prudent" now and wait for you to answer my question.
Here it is again: So, why don't you want suggestions from me? Or anyone else?

Waiting......

No, you're saying "accept my advice or shut up becasue you're ALL annoying m-m-ME!" Regardless of your motives, this is the way you and your brethren come off. If you aren't trying to force what you see as solutions down other people's throats then why are you still here? You've had your say, done the sarcasm thing, wished death on others for not toeing your line and gotten fairly nasty. What's left? Here's a question for you: After offering advice in person, do you continue to say the same things over and over when you aren't met with total agreement? Do you follow with insults your mock act of "caring?" Of course you don't. Now, this being a given, why act the way you are here?

Why do I continue to post? Never apologize, never explain is my answer to that. The real questions is why YOU continue to post, since anyone with a brain has already either accepted your advice or disregarded it. Dude, did I say I cared, about ANYTHING you say? But you obviously care what's being said about you. Why indulge in the excesses you have if you don't CARE deeply?

I already answered your question. The problem is that I can't understand it or put it in context for you. You'll have to make that leap of logic and intelligence all by yourself.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Tavoc
If you have no problem with companies advertising features that do not work then you do not need to post in this thread, very easy and simple.

If it were only that simple. Unfortunately some people cannot stand to see their beloved company talked about in any non-flattering light and will do anything to steer discussion away from such blasphemous accusations, even if the problem doesn't affect them in the slightest. Why they take it so personally is beyond me and most other rational members.

It's interesting how you always seem to think people who share your opinion constitute "most other rational members" but anyone who disagrees is "some people". Funny how that works.

I'd reply "Unfortunately some people who don't, and probably never will, own these products feel some strange compulsion to pretend they actually have some stake in the issue. I can see why you might: let's face it, 9500NPs aren't really something you could post about that anyone would read, and you probably want to feel like you're part of some relevant/current topics, but nonetheless you have no stake in this issue or reason to care at all."

You posting on this issue is like me posting about 9500NPs. I don't own one and likely never will.

Second, there are still vital questions that have gone unanswered. For instance, will NVidia ever produce a 6800 GT that is fully functional? What would be the timeframe for such a revision? How would the consumer be able to indentify the newly modified card? Could there possibly be an exchange program for users that bought the defective product? If so, which companies would be honoring an exchange?

Uh-oh, you asked a few logical questions. Be prepared for a flurry of misdirecting OT comments along the lines of "Nvidia is a 1st rate company, what hole-in-the-wall company do YOU work for?" or "I'd like to see YOU build a better video card!" or something like that.

Personally, I've asked myself (and others) those same questions.

Questions 1 & 2 - I haven't heard any discussion/rumors of the NV40/NV45 core being updated to fix the problem. There IS a small piece on XBit claiming a possible fix is in the works, but that's been said before. For now assume it's not ever going to work on any cards with either of those two cores.
Questions 3 & 4 - Currently Nvidia is engaged in the "pretend the problem doesn't exist and it will all eventually go away" strategy. So basically, there IS no spoon.[/quote]

These are good questions alright- with one problem. They're pretty pointless questions because unless someone here works at nVidia and wants to lose their job for divulging non published information, no one here can actually ANSWER them? :roll:

They are at least as relevant as posting "I want my WMV to work" over and over and over until the paint is worn off those letters on your keyboard though, so they fit in well here.

:wine:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Well, aren't you a charmer, key. How's that for lashing out? :laugh: Just as childish, ignorant and FUTILE as I've come to expect from you and the forum-daddy crowd.

Yes, I thought that would please you.

So, why don't you want suggestions from me? Or anyone else?

It's a very simple question. You know what the answer is. So why don't you just fess up.
Me, not having a PVP crisis is not a valid answer because anyone can offer help.
If you want, you can consider me having 4 "dogs" in this issue because I own 4 6800 based cards.
So, now that that excuse is out the window, what's up?

Having trouble?

I don't recall saying I was pleased by your behavior. Stop assuming, if you can.

Why? Because I've already made up my mind as to how I should deal with the situation, and I did so without any advice. And just to be crystal clear about this, it's not your seeming need to offer solutions unbidden, it's the nastiness that follows when ANYONE doesn't choose to follow them. And no, you could own 1000 6800's and it wouldn't change the nature of your posts or behavior. You've decided that you have veto rights over this thread and that NV is pure as the driven snow. This adds up to you not being angry at being cheated and lied to, and having the AUDACITY to think that you can TELL others to strike the same posture.

There you go assuming again. Wouldn't it be more prudent to wait for a response from me and not answer your own questions? Should I expect more flaming and suggestions that I should die now that I've again refused to allow you to superceed my judgement with your own?

Trouble? No, actually I'm just fine in every respect. Thanks for your concern.

For the last time, I am not telling you how to "feel". I am not telling you that you were "not cheated".
I do not care about PVP but others do. I am not, nor can I, enforce my opinions on anyone. I am here to help, not get lectured by someone who does not want it. If you don't like my advice, do you think you have to tell me that you don't have to take it? That's why we call it advice, and not command.

Yes, I have the Audacity to inquire why simple solutions aren't being pursued. If you have already chosen the path you are going to take, why post further in this thread? Do you have the Audacity to try to sway others into taking the same path you chose? I don't see why else you would be posting in here.
I can picture you thinking as you read this, "Where do you get off having the AUDACITY to tell me when and where I should post!" Well, I'm not. You just assume these things. If you don't like my suggestions, do you think I care? Well, I might a little when someone posts that all of my suggestion are unacceptable as someone in here did. But I won't lose sleep over it.

I am going to be "prudent" now and wait for you to answer my question.
Here it is again: So, why don't you want suggestions from me? Or anyone else?

Waiting......

No, you're saying "accept my advice or shut up becasue you're ALL annoying m-m-ME!" Regardless of your motives, this is the way you and your brethren come off. If you aren't trying to force what you see as solutions down other people's throats then why are you still here? You've had your say, done the sarcasm thing, wished death on others for not toeing your line and gotten fairly nasty. What's left? Here's a question for you: After offering advice in person, do you continue to say the same things over and over when you aren't met with total agreement? Do you follow with insults your mock act of "caring?" Of course you don't. Now, this being a given, why act the way you are here?

Why do I continue to post? Never apologize, never explain is my answer to that. The real questions is why YOU continue to post, since anyone with a brain has already either accepted your advice or disregarded it. Dude, did I say I cared, about ANYTHING you say? But you obviously care what's being said about you. Why indulge in the excesses you have if you don't CARE deeply?

I already answered your question. The problem is that I can't understand it or put it in context for you. You'll have to make that leap of logic and intelligence all by yourself.

Can we agree that this is getting you nowhere? I don't have anyplace to go unlike you. But I am trying to help anyway whether you want me to or not. Can't stop me. You need/want something resolved that most likely won't be. When 2007 rolls around and this class action suit is just about halfway resolved, let me know how you made out. That's even if it gets off the ground in the first place. If your waiting for some sort of trade up program then you have a tremendous amount of patience or you still believe in the tooth fairy. You should try to excercise some of that intelligence you tout so much and understand that you don't need to "beat" me in a word competition. I have no interest in that.

You can reply to this, as I know you will, but don't expect any acknowledgement no matter how hard you try to annoy me.

I'm done with you. But not with this thread.

Be well,
Keys

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I'd reply "Unfortunately some people who don't, and probably never will, own these products feel some strange compulsion to pretend they actually have some stake in the issue. I can see why you might: let's face it, 9500NPs aren't really something you could post about that anyone would read, and you probably want to feel like you're part of some relevant/current topics, but nonetheless you have no stake in this issue or reason to care at all.

Who are you, Miss Cleo? What form of clairvoyance or teacup reading are you basing this on? I am looking closely at both Nvidia and ATI products to see which one I will choose to replace my current card. So I have a perfectly valid reason to be here and monitor the latest news on the situation.

You, however, have stated time and time again that the PVP function is of no use to you and could care less about it.

I paid money out of pocket for a Plextor ConvertX box to get some of the video functionality that was missing from my 6800NU and 6800GT. (notably VIVO)

So you have even less reason than me to be posting here.


But please. Do keep waving your 6800 around over your head and lording it over everybody who doesn't own one. Because that's the sole thing that non-6800 owners want most in the world. It must do your ego wonders to keep bringing it up over and over and over and over.... (ad infinitum, ad nauseum) :roll:

 

[Creig]

These are good questions alright- with one problem. They're pretty pointless questions because unless someone here works at nVidia and wants to lose their job for divulging non published information, no one here can actually ANSWER them?

Ah yes, because privileged information has NEVER been leaked onto the internet by company insiders before.