Although I'm not religious at all, when I see differences like this, "wars of morality," I often ask myself, WWJD? The Buddha?
I think if it's about making a specific artwork for a cake, he'd have a leg to stand on. But if it's plainly saying he won't make a wedding cake for a gay couple, even identical to one he would be OK making for a straight couple, then he is in the discrimination weeds. But this SCOTUS is not about common sense, it's about pushing a Republican agenda, so I think he is going to win.
He does not serve them wedding cakes,regardless of design.
Artists can say they won't sell paintings to gay people?
In Colorado, businesses give up some of those rights in favor of the law and its protections. You wanna sell? Play by the rules! SCOTUS indeed has some cleanup to do. Where they come down (my bet is on the side of the gays edit: and the state) will have huge ramifications.yea this will be interesting. LGBT are protected but not the rights of the artist of free speech and freedom of religion? the court now has to decide whos civil liberties are more important. its a mess.
In Colorado, businesses give up some of those rights in favor of the law and its protections. You wanna sell? Play by the rules! SCOTUS indeed has some cleanup to do. Where they come down (my bet is on the side of the gays) will have huge ramifications.
Although I'm not religious at all, when I see differences like this, "wars of morality," I often ask myself, WWJD? The Buddha?
Gorsuch is going to vote against the gay couple, you don't have to go to a fortune teller for that one. He ruled for Hobby Lobby's "right" to exempt itself from laws and deny women birth control because their owners happened to be Christian.Gorsuch the independent? (from another thread)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ndependent_streak.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_fb_top
Do you know whats so ironic about all of this? Jesus said to do all things as unto the Lord so if that baker really was a Christian he should bake those gay couples and all of his customers for that matter the best damned cakes they ever laid eyes on.Baker refused to bake them a cake, period. It never got to design.
Yes he would and he'd be very kind to them during the process.He'd sell them the god damn cake.
Organized religion has been one of Satan's greatest tools since its inception as it perverts the gospel into a hateful rabid spew.modern christians, Jesus would be proud....lol ya right.
Wow! So much litigation for not selling cakes to gays. Arguments to start on 12/5. Should be interesting.
Should businesses be allowed to discriminate against customers? Even if they're GAY?!
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/masterpiece-cakeshop-ltd-v-colorado-civil-rights-commn/
Bisexual myself. I think that if businesses don't want to sell their product to someone that it is their right, with the caveat being that by that same token, we can also choose not to patron said company with our business. Capitalism has the answer to this problem. I would much rather pay my money to a business that supports said causes, and let capitalism sort it all out.
Now that's talking about a cake, mind you. A product. Something like medical care or life and death services is another matter entirely. A doctor for example shouldn't be able to deny treatment to someone because they're gay or married to a gay partner. But something like a cake? I think businesses should be able to sell a consumer product to whoever they do or don't want to, if that makes sense.
How about priests or whomever officiating the wedding, even though the wedding goes completely against their religion?
How about a stripper that you want to hire that isn't gay but you want him to strip and dance on someone of the same sex?
How about prostitution. Are you discriminating if you refuse to sell your sexual services to a black gay male with aids? You just discriminated on three counts there!
I'm just saying that it gets dicey real quick and it's a very slippery slope. I personally don't think we need laws or enforcement on matters like this. Please don't be ridiculous and compare this to the days of not serving blacks in restaurants. As I said, you're a fool to give up business based on your beliefs (IMO), but let people be stupid.
You’re telling others not to be ridiculous and yet all you can come up with is strippers and prostitution to make your point? Riiiiight.How far do you go with this though?
I think we're living in a time period where not doing it with a smile on your face will simply result in a loss of business as well as bad publicity for your cake shop.
But why are we limiting it to just cakes? How about priests or whomever officiating the wedding, even though the wedding goes completely against their religion? How about a stripper that you want to hire that isn't gay but you want him to strip and dance on someone of the same sex? How about prostitution. Are you discriminating if you refuse to sell your sexual services to a black gay male with aids? You just discriminated on three counts there!
I'm just saying that it gets dicey real quick and it's a very slippery slope. I personally don't think we need laws or enforcement on matters like this. Please don't be ridiculous and compare this to the days of not serving blacks in restaurants. As I said, you're a fool to give up business based on your beliefs (IMO), but let people be stupid.
Ding ding, we have a weiner.
Explain why business owners should follow the law while cites, states and the political class don't have to.You want to run a business, you abide by the laws that govern that business. It’s that simple.
Explain why business owners should follow the law while cites, states and the political class don't have to.
Establishment Clause covers this. Also a church is not a business.
I take it you don't know many strippers.
This is, outside a few localities, an illegal business.
It's not ridiculous. The concept of public accommodation is not only desirable it is necessary. Nobody is forced to go into business so if you can't abide by the legal requirements imposed then you should not be in a public business.
True. Too true. And they can surprise.Gorsuch is going to vote against the gay couple, you don't have to go to a fortune teller for that one. He ruled for Hobby Lobby's "right" to exempt itself from laws and deny women birth control because their owners happened to be Christian.
I think with Roy Moore and Trump, we can see what evangelical Christianity is all about. A bunch of self righteous horseshit in service of a political agenda in service of business interests.Do you know whats so ironic about all of this? Jesus said to do all things as unto the Lord so if that baker really was a Christian he should bake those gay couples and all of his customers for that matter the best damned cakes they ever laid eyes on.
After the Hobby Lobby decision it seems logical that people can exempt themselves from basically any law they don’t like so long as they think it conflicts with their religious beliefs. This is why Hobby Lobby is one of the worst decisions of all time.
Public accommodation laws are a great thing, but nonsense cases like this strike at the heart of them. Of course the baker should have to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. If he opens his business to serve the public then he must serve the public without discrimination. It’s common sense. He’s not being forced to marry the couple, he’s not being forced to write ‘I love gay marriage’, he’s just providing a cake.
These business owners need to grow up and take some personal responsibility for their choices. You decided to open a business, now accept the consequences.
Great, so you're discriminating that all strippers are whores that will fuck, suck, and take anything from anything that breathes....
That doesn't negate the point. The bunny ranch exists, so I'm very well sure this situation can be a reality.
And no one is saying that. If they wanted to buy a basic cake that would be one thing - I'm sure anyone would happily sell it. It's what they intend to write-on it and present it that goes against the person's morals and beliefs
I consider evangelicals to be of the very same ilk as radical Muslims because neither serves the greater good.I think with Roy Moore and Trump, we can see what evangelical Christianity is all about. A bunch of self righteous horseshit in service of a political agenda in service of business interests.
Great, so you're discriminating that all strippers are whores that will fuck, suck, and take anything from anything that breathes....
That doesn't negate the point. The bunny ranch exists, so I'm very well sure this situation can be a reality.
And no one is saying that. If they wanted to buy a basic cake that would be one thing - I'm sure anyone would happily sell it. It's what they intend to write-on it and present it that goes against the person's morals and beliefs