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Gates bashes NATO
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do you smell each other fingers when done?
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Is there any group of minorities that you do not despise? How many minorities have you attacked with other racist Europeans?
do you give each other foot rubs when you are phantasizing about evil Europeans?
RabidMongoose
Lifer
What would you like to see be done to racial minorities in Europe?
does your pre-arranged married wife knows about the foot rubs with canoworms?
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Did a racial minority steal your ex-wife from you?
Do you also hate women? I see that you hate homosexuals and racial minorities. Does your hatred also extend to women? Considering your username, it's very possible that you're a 45 year old fat man who plays video games all day, giving you a lot of female angst. Does this develop into a hatred of women for you?
0roo0roo
No Lifer
Yea I remember when the thing started and they said the Uk had already shot off something like 25% of their tomahawk supply, I was like wtf!!
Europeans like bashing america for how much we spend, but seriously wtf ,it seems like they've been cooking the books on what little they spend on their militaries.
Europeans like bashing america for how much we spend, but seriously wtf ,it seems like they've been cooking the books on what little they spend on their militaries.
Awww... Musta hit a nerve. You're so cute when you're raving incoherently in denial. Gates merely echoes Neocon demands for "Austerity" when convenient. He's been an able administrator, no doubt, but the British Empire had more than a few of those, too.
Obama? Show me where his policy has deviated more than slightly from that of his predecessor, & we'll have something to discuss.
Poor Nato participation in Libya? Whose idea was this intervention, anyway? Ours? Maybe we don't belong there in the first place, or in Iraq, or for the extended stay in Afghanistan, or many of the hundreds of overseas bases we maintain.
Oh, wait... We're *militarists*, right? So that's apparently what we do, huh?
SamurAchzar
Platinum Member
I've been saying for quite some time that the US is the world sucker, the dumb rich kid picking up the tab for everyone just to be popular, while being ridiculed for stupidity behind his back.
There are few issues here:
1. Military dominance IS required. It's not a matter of political stance. Nationalism and isolationism is dead, our lives are interconnected in infinite supply chains. A good example is the rare earth metals China threatened to stop exporting or, more obviously, oil. There are some strategic assets like chip manufacturing fabs in Taiwan and Korea from which most of the chips come. If China were to move in on Taiwan or North Korea were to attack South Korea you'd be fucked beyond belief.
2. There are forces which strongly oppose the West and would use every opportunity and every inch let go by the US to gain dominance. Russia, China, Iran, and of course stateless terrorists. Some won't fire one bullet in the process, that's not to say their sphere of influence isn't extending.
3. Europe is too lazy, hypocrite and liberal to fight for itself. Like the liberals of US, it prefers to stick its head in the sand and let US armed forces do the dirty work, only taking the head out here and there to complain about innocents getting hurt.
4. NATO is dysfunctional anyway, it spans too many countries.
NATO should be torn down and reorganized. Central command, NO discretion of any sole country about the participating forces (i.e. the governing body will determine exactly how much resources are devoted by each participant), no more than 4-5 strategically located countries with strong armies. I'd also like to see much stronger R&D and training cooperation between parties compared to NATO.
There are few issues here:
1. Military dominance IS required. It's not a matter of political stance. Nationalism and isolationism is dead, our lives are interconnected in infinite supply chains. A good example is the rare earth metals China threatened to stop exporting or, more obviously, oil. There are some strategic assets like chip manufacturing fabs in Taiwan and Korea from which most of the chips come. If China were to move in on Taiwan or North Korea were to attack South Korea you'd be fucked beyond belief.
2. There are forces which strongly oppose the West and would use every opportunity and every inch let go by the US to gain dominance. Russia, China, Iran, and of course stateless terrorists. Some won't fire one bullet in the process, that's not to say their sphere of influence isn't extending.
3. Europe is too lazy, hypocrite and liberal to fight for itself. Like the liberals of US, it prefers to stick its head in the sand and let US armed forces do the dirty work, only taking the head out here and there to complain about innocents getting hurt.
4. NATO is dysfunctional anyway, it spans too many countries.
NATO should be torn down and reorganized. Central command, NO discretion of any sole country about the participating forces (i.e. the governing body will determine exactly how much resources are devoted by each participant), no more than 4-5 strategically located countries with strong armies. I'd also like to see much stronger R&D and training cooperation between parties compared to NATO.
irishScott
Lifer
Alright, I overgeneralized. Good for the Danes. Suffice to say Gates quoted the numbers. Over 2 million people in Uniform, and we get 45,000 (max) that are largely dependent on US logistical support. You don't see the disparity there?
Or Libya. Where despite the fact that the US is supposed to be taking a back seat, we're still supplying just shy of half the air power, 1/3 of the naval power and close to twice as many total mobilized personnel than all other involved nations combined. Plus making up for our allies' logistical shortcomings.
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cutforscience
Banned
i thought they only sent drones
the truth must hurt to be fixed up with an ugly chick you don't like
I want more rage from you...
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irishScott
Lifer
Actually, economically and militarily (especially militarily), the USA is no. 1. Along with our higher education system. A nice cold hard fact for you.
As for "you're either with us or against us", that line hasn't been spoken in years now. Get your head out of your ass. Despite the fact that Bush was incompetent idiot, it's telling that Europeans are still harping about him.
irishScott
Lifer
Once again, spouting terms from several years ago.
We don't want you as cannon fodder, but we'd at least like you to at least display the virility of a Roman vassal. Such examples are a dying thing in Europe it seems. Have fun with that social utopia you guys are trying to build.
no problem, why are you crying then for more European involvement
- we will cancel the billions being spend on shitholes like Afghanistan
- get our 34000 troops back
- get your troop back home, close the European bases
- quit NATO
easy
btw, the biggest strongest economic nation in the world is threatened to be downgraded by the rating agencies,, but hey whatever right
Greece is a detail compared with that
no1, no1, no1
irishScott
Lifer
Because European nations made obligations that most are now refusing to properly fulfill because "we don't wanna".
And FYI we'll lose to China before we ever lose to a single European nation (assuming China doesn't collapse and we don't recover), and the Chinese actually seem to have a better attitude about it so that suits me just fine.
Also, it's not so easy. Unlike Europe we like being relevant in the world and don't like it when our relevance declines.
which obligations? NATO was created to defend Europe against a USSR invasion, not to go on some crusade against Iraq based on lies and deception. You guys were caught with your pants down, countries from the "old Europe" warned you and didn't listen. Do you think we honestly give a f*ck for the shit you created the last decade. Like I said, if we are such bad allies, you can look for other ones (Micronesia, Palau). And about relevance, the EU 16 trillion economy, the biggest single market and economy in the world is all the relevance I need, thats a cold hard fact for you...
I like the USA but if you dont need us anymore, you are free to leave, we are not holding you against your will
irishScott
Lifer
Oh IDK, article 5 of that treaty you signed?
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm
EU is not a nation or even anything close. Nice try. If you have a problem with that, go find me an Italian and a Greek who think they're from the same nation.
And where did "old Europe" warn us about anything? Last I checked Bush was touting UK intelligence reports as well as our own when we went into Iraq.
European troops are still in Aghanistan last time I checked, and that is because of article 5
the EU is the biggest single economic market in the world, or else the IMF, WTO and World Bank are all wrong
The old Europe "Germany, France, Belgium" were against the Iraq operation, last time I checked, the UK was not part of this "old Europe" being the lapdog they are
All these intelligence reports were made up, thats a known fact, do some googling
You were bragging about USA higher education, maybe you should get some, you dont seem very smart to me, just the usual USA no1 parrot
irishScott
Lifer
A pitiful amount of troops given NATOs supposed military capabilities. That was Gates's point.
The EU is not a nation. You can stick your fingers and your ears and pretend I didn't say that, but it's true. It's the largest unified market, but it's still not a nation. Therefore you're saying that it takes 27 European nations to just edge out the USA alone. I take that as a complement.
Whether the reports were made up or not is irrelevant. You said "old Europe" warned us. I pointed out that no one really did, the nations that opposed it did so on moral and legal grounds.
But, FYI, while there certainly was an intelligence SNAFU, they were not made up. According the first 2 results on Google no less. Maybe you should come over here and get some American higher education like a good chunk of the educated world. 🙂 Or are Europeans too arrogant to check their own arguments before stating them as facts?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3890961.stm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/iraq/butler_report.html
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where did I say that the EU is a single nation? I'm saying that the EU is the largest single economy in the world, thats a FACT, you are just implying things that I never said, just like plenty other morons in this thread.
LOL, linking the Butler report, a govt report trying to hide its own shortcomings, its been blasted from the left AND the right in the UK for being totally laughable
I'm still waiting for the mobile WMD labs that Powell showed in his nice powerpoint.
And about the education, I prefer not to leave uni with 60k of debts but whatever dude
if you dont need us anymore, we will get our troops out and you guys can leave Europe, no hard feelings, its a fair deal to me. We can still be good friends and you guys can go on whatever conquest you deem necessary. Dissolve NATO, we will be responsible for our security, you guys are responsible for your own.
We have been scoffed at for 10 years and you guys are the self proclaimed no1, you can do it on your own, you dont need tree hugging Europeans
RabidMongoose
Lifer
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Or Libya. Where despite the fact that the US is supposed to be taking a back seat, we're still supplying just shy of half the air power, 1/3 of the naval power and close to twice as many total mobilized personnel than all other involved nations combined. Plus making up for our allies' logistical shortcomings.
Interesting numbers. I think that it's actually good that European nations are so weak that they can't even do much in Libya. A weakened European continent is actually good for the entire human race as it makes the chances of genocide less likely.
I'm not sure why the US is even involved with this European colonialist adventure in Libya anyways. US involvement should actually be more on the side of monitoring the Europeans instead of helping them with what will probably be yet another European orchestrated genocide.
why did you stop making racist and fascist comments, I'm not used to that
RabidMongoose
Lifer
I think that you've mixed up me with yourself, perhaps it's the result of a mental problem. You're the one who supports genocide of racial minorities in Europe.
Where's your passport?
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