Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Robor
No, you're not telling it like it is. You called everyone who opposes this an elitist living in an ivory tower. In this case that couldn't be much further from the truth but that's irrelevant. This is nothing more than another pathetic attempt to garner votes. It has nothing to do with class. Period.
Yes it has everything to do with class. Certain class laugh at the $30 saving. Certain class will be thankful for the $30 saving. You people are the ones calling those people that are thankful ignorant and buying into Hillary's pandering. You don't live their life and you have no right judging them.
Let's see how people respond to her tomorrow and see who lives in the real world and who lives in some ivory tower.
You clearly don't live in the real world either if you have more than $30 worth of computer fans in your PC, so who are you to call others elitists and pretend like you understand the plight of the working class? Talk about an elitist...
Dude, if you think $30 bucks it too much for pc cooling, you probably forget what Anandtech is all about. But any way, my grandpa/grandma was farmer and I was fortunate enough to get a good education and earn decent living. But I have seen how low income people suffer and worry about their money. By the way elitist isn't those who make lots of money, it's those who made lots of money and cannot be compassionate about those who don't. doesn't matter how much you and I make. The difference is if we can be compassionate about those who are not as fortunate.
I make way below the median income, and I won't have any sympathy for any Hillary supporters when she (or McCain) gets elected and we end up with 8 more years of shit just so you could MAYBE save $30 over 3 months of 2008
rchiu, I applaud your sticking up for the poor, but I don't see this as the battle on which to do it.
Your point is right on about the importance of compassion for the poor (and that includes attacking some of the false mythology the better off can have).
But not every program to give $30 to the poor is a good program. That makes the poor easy to manipulate, if they think so.
Look at how Bush fooled people into supporting his tax cuts for the rich - he buried it in a slogan about 'everyone gets a cut', while hiding that for a large group the average cut was $4, but for his base, it was huge, and the people who got $4 will pay - or their children will pay - far more for this subsidy for the rich. Look at how Bush fooled people into the givewaway to big Pharma by hiding it in a 'compassionate drug program' that was great for drug companies selling at list prices to the government, but not so good for taxpayers.
People who are poorer need to get sharper about who really represents their interests. If they buy into the first shiny object they're offered, they'll get used.
Well that all depends on how the program is implemented isn't it. If like Hillary said she will be able to finance it with tax from oil company and not one cent from us, then I only see benefit and not issue with it. And what I like about Hillary is that she gets people are suffering right the heck NOW with gas and food prices all hitting record, and at the same time the economy is slowing, job is disappearing, the wage probably gonna get hit soon or later too. She is taking action that will see immediate result, maybe not huge, but it is a start.
I understand all the supply and demand mumbo jumbo those economist talk about, I have an MBA for god's sake and I graduated with honor too. But the problem is economists rarely deal with social issue, and their solutions try to solve long term, macro problem. Not to say those solutions are not good, but with the economic condition today, you need immediate actions, TOGETHER with the long term solutions. Which if you read Hillary's proposal, she does mention both approaches, but media tend to focus on the short term solution only for reason I am sure everyone can guess.
I am smart and educated enough to see through people's b.s. both politicians' and economists'. What I see from Hillary is good, she is taking action to give middle, lower class people immediate relief, unlike the other candidate. And I prefer to judge her on the merit of her accomplishment. if she is actually given a chance to implement her own proposal but either hand the profit to the oil company, or unable to tax the oil company like she said, I will criticize her like everyone else here.
But I am not gonna criticize her on a proposal that is intended to
provide immediate help to those needed, and act like just because so and so dollar isn't much for me, it isn't much for everyone else too.