#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[MrPickins]

Everyone involved in either side of this thing is a loser. Arguing over video games with people who don't even play video games. lol.

:thumbsup:

Sometimes I wonder how much time these people have left for actual gaming with all their time investment in the 'debate'.

 

[0roo0roo]

Calgary expo just keeps getting more disturbing

What would Fluttershy do?
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guFXhjHaCYs

BadgerPod Gamergate 12: It came from the basement
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOcKcx5vmws


[Comics] WTF - Honey Badger Brigade removed from Calgary Expo because of #GamerGate logo? (Part 1)
MundaneMatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNXkNp7sZNY
[Comics] WTF - Calgary Expo vs Honey Badger Brigade #ExpoEquality (Part 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLIubMRwRzc

[Comics] WTF - Calgary Expo calls police on Honey Badger Brigade's picnic
MundaneMatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPudxlAp9w0



Bring Back Alison Tieman
SkepTorr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0h-2pCC3I


#GamerGate News: Honey Badger Brigade/Radio Banned Calgary Expo
Gaming In Progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_njtsml2uk



Tyler's Views on #GamerGate News 4/20/15
Tyler Valle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoAVtIkK6YU





Corrupt Jimmy Wales of Wikipedia might have been involved in porn in his early business dealings
http://www.naturalnews.com/049422_Jimmy_Wales_Wikipedia_porn_king.html


Another one bites the dust, sjw princess Dina which led to this video
InternetAristocrat: Mighty Number Nope- The Dina Disaster [mirror]
InternetAristocrat Archive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZWHUnFqPhg

Now fired.. it was a crowd funded megaman of sorts
https://twitter.com/mombot/status/590065600291938304
https://twitter.com/Bizz408/status/590114278834765824
https://twitter.com/DeadwingDuck/status/590096767087054848
https://twitter.com/Scrumpmonkey/status/590095259364945920

it was that time of the month for another WU article
Vee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5IVjNwh3Q
https://archive.today/BRG9K

and Internet Aristocrat was late so he did a stream
Liquored Up And Live: 4/19/2015
MisterMetokur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz9tHpIOKiA

What Happens at a GamerGate Meet-Up?
Harmful Opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuobI2cska4

Just waiting for twitter to censor people who are too big for them to get away with...
http://twitchy.com/2015/04/16/retur...pect-themselves-booted-by-new-quality-filter/



INTELLECTUAL BULLYING AND THE POSTMODERN DISCOURSE OF GAMERGATE
http://mitrailleuse.net/2014/09/19/intellectual-bullying/

On contacting sponsors
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAct...lgaryexpo_continues_updated_list_of_sponsors/
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/32y8vt/calgaryexpo_megathread/
The hashtags
https://twitter.com/hashtag/CalgaryExpo?src=hash
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Expogate?src=hash
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GamerGaters#announcements/detail/190617436495394392

And of course a large thread on the wikileaks because it also relates to censorship
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3320vb/wikileaks_has_proof_fox_disney_nbcuniversal/

Gehr is where Zoe's Boyfriend's dad works. He's a president there and receives a trust fund from him. That's why he doesn't need to work and can travel the world without a care.

Gehr helps making weapons that kill palestinians, iirc.

Exactly, you don't have to care about video games at all to see the problem, money and influence buys lies, gg is just helping to reveal the extent of the problem in the media, never mind the rest.

 

[blankslate]

I'm gonna break it down into simple terms for you guys; If you care about gamergate, you are a loser. There are basically no reasonable, well adjusted human beings that give a crap about this.

Like I said...

it's a strange way to debate. the only winning move is not to play.

How about a nice game of online chess?


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[Exophase]

I'm gonna break it down into simple terms for you guys; If you care about gamergate, you are a loser. There are basically no reasonable, well adjusted human beings that give a crap about this.

You know who's a loser? Someone who thinks they are because a random nobody on the internet told them so.

Everyone should decide for themselves using their own prioritization and cognitive reasoning if something does or doesn't matter to them or is or isn't worth their time and emotional investment. Don't listen to someone telling you not to give a shit just because they don't.

 

[touchstone]

I'm saying there are a bunch of otherwise fairly intelligent posters in this thread who I know for a fact will one day look back on their own participation in this thread and wonder what the heck they were thinking.




I will give an example which I think approximates what is going on with these posters; When I was around 12 or 13 I decided that I had a wholly developed political worldview. I was a libertarian and decried all taxes, the IRS, gun laws... anything that I deemed 'unfair' in my black-and-white worldview. Oddly enough at that point in time my worldview just about lined up directly with my 91yo grandmother, who also hated the IRS and taxes. So for a couple years we got along great.

Years went by and obviously I realized that libertarianism is a childish way to look at politics in the US, and now I look back on the things I would say at that age and cringe. I was like a grumpy old 13yo man who loved the gold standard.

That is how those among you with the intelligence to one day rise above this idiocy will view themselves. Facepalm-itis.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I'm saying there are a bunch of otherwise fairly intelligent posters in this thread who I know for a fact will one day look back on their own participation in this thread and wonder what the heck they were thinking.




I will give an example which I think approximates what is going on with these posters; When I was around 12 or 13 I decided that I had a wholly developed political worldview. I was a libertarian and decried all taxes, the IRS, gun laws... anything that I deemed 'unfair' in my black-and-white worldview. Oddly enough at that point in time my worldview just about lined up directly with my 91yo grandmother, who also hated the IRS and taxes. So for a couple years we got along great.

Years went by and obviously I realized that libertarianism is a childish way to look at politics in the US, and now I look back on the things I would say at that age and cringe. I was like a grumpy old 13yo man who loved the gold standard.

That is how those among you with the intelligence to one day rise above this idiocy will view themselves. Facepalm-itis.

And yet here you are espousing that you know how this whole thing works, and you're certain of your conviction.

Don't worry, the hypocrisy of your own statement is not lost on me

 

[touchstone]

And yet here you are espousing that you know how this whole thing works, and you're certain of your conviction.

Don't worry, the hypocrisy of your own statement is not lost on me

You weren't one of the posters I was speaking of, so that's to be expected. I mean look at your avatar, a quick glance at that and we can all tell what an obese virgin you are. Why are you complaining about women when you will never get near one?

 

[thecoolnessrune]

You weren't one of the posters I was speaking of, so that's to be expected. I mean look at your avatar, a quick glance at that and we can all tell what an obese virgin you are. Why are you complaining about women when you will never get near one?

I'm complaining about women? I'm an obese virgin? You start off with a pretty weak trolling and then finish by lying..

Are you going to provide any evidence to your claims or just double down on saying something stupid? D:

 

[touchstone]

I'm complaining about women? I'm an obese virgin? You start off with a pretty weak trolling and then finish by lying..

Are you going to provide any evidence to your claims or just double down on saying something stupid? D:

What are the chances that an anime fan from wisconsin who loves this gamer gate crap isn't obese? Probably less than 20%, and the chances of being a virgin? Don't even ask. I would be a fool to expect you to be anything else.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

What are the chances that an anime fan from wisconsin who loves this gamer gate crap isn't obese? Probably less than 20%, and the chances of being a virgin? Don't even ask. I would be a fool to expect you to be anything else.

Waiting for some evidence on the bolded since you bothered to bring it up.

Also, since you're obviously just throwing stupidity at a wall to see what sticks, would you explain the difference in what you're saying to me, which you obviously feel is acceptable to say, vs this?

I chuckle to myself about how quickly Sarky is aging, and how Zoe has doubled in size over the last couple years.

It seems fame (or notoriety at least) isn't helping them any.

A snark about a woman aging and another one about a woman gaining weight. But it's all about ethics, right?

 

[Aikouka]

If you cannot abide by the above rules then you automatically have violated Godwin's Law without even realize it...

it's a strange way to debate. the only winning move is not to play.

Why shouldn't someone be unhappy when you attempt to classify them based upon extreme outliers? From what I can tell, the issue is that people tend to be lazy in their comments, or they're simply people that think Twitter is an apt place for an debate with its wonderfully restrictive character limit. (Hint: It's not.) This issue can also occur in the other direction if a pro-GG person were to make a blanket statement about anti-GG people. Blankets belong on your bed, not in your words!

 

[Exophase]

The biggest problem, as is so obvious in this thread, is that people think that supporting GamerGate means having a problem with women, or even wanting to threaten them and kick them out of "male spaces." Which isn't surprising because that's how most of the mainstream media has reported it.

What it really boils down to is a lot of people are tired of online media. They're tired of the constant lying, sensationalism, bias in favor of self interests and hypocritical self-righteous "social justice" pandering that thinly veils a lot of bigotry. Whatever started the whole GamerGate fiasco is less interesting than how the media collectively reacted to it, and how some sites can't go a day without using it as a scapegoat, calling it the great evil of our times.

And this kind of irresponsible reporting has negative effects, because people take the shit they read seriously. Yeah, maybe that usually just manifests like it does in this thread, with people being called garbage or assumed to be obese virgins. That can be ignored and is hardly the end of the world. But then you get stuff like the recent Calgary expo banning HBB (thanks 0roo0roo, I only know about this stuff because you post it, ignore all the haters telling you to fuck off) where a woman both representing her webcomic and MRA group got banned after engaging in permitted and polite discussion in a panel and selling GamerGate posters. The expo is trying to pass it off as justified by some technicality but it's obvious that they did it because a bunch of people lost their collective shit on Twitter and started screaming in outrage that they just can't believe that this "hate group" is allowed to sell their posters at a convention booth they paid for.

That's not to say some people haven't gone off the rails with their own issues (some of them posting in this thread). Unfortunately, a lot of other people are just too tired of this because they know they won't be listened to, or much worse, they know that they're putting themselves at risk just for saying that maybe being pro-GG doesn't automatically make someone a hateful misogynist (or fuck - racist, homophobe, transphobe, anti-semite, depending on who you ask it's just a symbol for bigot against EVERYTHING), and maybe there are some actual points buried in there.

There was an article I read a couple months ago, where the author wasn't especially sympathetic of GamerGate but did mention something that mainstream news outlets never do - that people (both men and women) have been doxxed, SWATed, and sent death threats because they say they support GamerGate. I'd love to link the article, but I've given up trying to find it on Google. Despite knowing a lot about what the article contained it's just impossible to find. The searches are too overloaded with everyone talking about how abused Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, and Zoe Quinn are. No one cares about anyone else, on either side (except there will be mention of the "many other women" who are harassed, whom are just assumed to exist)

 

[Blue_Max]

What it really boils down to is a lot of people are tired of online media. They're tired of the constant lying, sensationalism, bias in favor of self interests and hypocritical self-righteous "social justice" pandering that thinly veils a lot of bigotry.

Yep. Even kids' cartoons are saying they're fed up with SJW's and their lunacy and hypocrisy.
I'm being oppressed!!

...and just for laughs:

 

[jhbball]

Yep. Even kids' cartoons are saying they're fed up with SJW's and their lunacy and hypocrisy.
I'm being oppressed!!

...and just for laughs:

totally about ethics in journalism. rofl.

 

[KMFJD]

totally about ethics in journalism. rofl.

He does seem to obsessed by this person...

 

[blankslate]

He does seem to obsessed by this person...

almost like the grade school kid who teases the girl he likes...

it's almost cute.


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[blankslate]

Why shouldn't someone be unhappy when you attempt to classify them based upon extreme outliers?

You could ask people who are neutral or anti-GG the same question... this is indeed why there seems to be no real discourse... and those who honestly try (yeah I've seen a couple seemingly sincere efforts in just a few youtube videos) seem to get tripped up.


Is it any wonder that a writer of comic books would rather not have this ugly mess infesting comics.

the odd thing is that if this issue about Ethics in Games journalism happened years ago when the reviewer from gamespot (which advertised Kane and Lynch heavily) separated (most likely was told quit or we'll fire you) from them after his not glowing review of Kane and Lynch, I'd be much more supportive. Guess that lax in ethics on the part of gamespot just wasn't salacious enough.

The way it became an ethics issue last year and proGGies ignoring the fact that feminist criticisms have not stopped the "offensive" (in some eyes) content of other mediums of art like movies and music is worthy of this reaction

but as Joshua said.

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play how about a nice game of chess?

Is Ethics in Journalism an issue yes... but it's not just games journalism it's in reporting that affects our lives much more than games or feminists criticizing whatever form of art, however justly or unjustly...

If only people were as passionate about getting cable and broadcast news to be more ethical as they are about this one area of journalism...

More people should see the video of Chuck Todd basically admitting to Lewis Black that he cannot call out his guests on his Sunday talk show if they lie, prevaricate or obfuscate because he'd lose his job.
That's a real issue of ethics in journalism that impacts all of us... not just those of us who like to play video games. But most people are oblivious or shrug it off. And that's a shame.

That above is why posters in this thread criticizing those of us who have been posting fairly frequently are right... there are bigger issues of ethics in journalism. Simple as that.


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[Aikouka]

You could ask people who are neutral or anti-GG the same question...

I did... the last sentence, which was removed in your quote, addresses the fact that it's not fine coming from the other direction either. Although, its tone might suggest to some that it doesn't happen, but that isn't the intent.

That above is why posters in this thread criticizing those of us who have been posting fairly frequently are right... there are bigger issues of ethics in journalism. Simple as that.

Honestly, I can't read this remark as anything but haughty. What it sounds like you're saying is that ethics in one area of journalism don't matter because there are more egregious ethics issues. That's fine, and I don't necessarily disagree with that; however... how about you make a thread on them and discuss them in there.

Frankly, I think part of the blow-up on this relates to the ridiculous sensationalism over the past few years. I've been growing rather irritated as of late at the sheer number of sensationalist pieces or objective pieces with hidden opinions. That reminds me of the hubbub over the all-male Ghostbusters movie. When I heard about it, I tracked down the source and read that instead. You know what was amusing? It actually said nothing about an all-male cast. (I actually re-read it a few times just to make sure I didn't miss something.) The furor seemed to have started from the source article's original headline, which was later changed. However, that didn't stop the usual slew of lazy reporting, which ends up being a terribly uninformative game of telephone.

Anyway, maybe this will lead people to being more cynical over what they read or hear?

 

[Exophase]

Anyway, maybe this will lead people to being more cynical over what they read or hear?

It's definitely made me more cynical. I used to scoff when people talked about a liberal media bias. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

But I fear some people are becoming less critical of the media instead, trusting them all the more because of the weight of their social and moral position.

 

[Blue_Max]

You could ask people who are neutral or anti-GG the same question... this is indeed why there seems to be no real discourse... and those who honestly try (yeah I've seen a couple seemingly sincere efforts in just a few youtube videos) seem to get tripped up.


Is it any wonder that a writer of comic books would rather not have this ugly mess infesting comics.

the odd thing is that if this issue about Ethics in Games journalism happened years ago when the reviewer from gamespot (which advertised Kane and Lynch heavily) separated (most likely was told quit or we'll fire you) from them after his not glowing review of Kane and Lynch, I'd be much more supportive. Guess that lax in ethics on the part of gamespot just wasn't salacious enough.

The way it became an ethics issue last year and proGGies ignoring the fact that feminist criticisms have not stopped the "offensive" (in some eyes) content of other mediums of art like movies and music is worthy of this reaction

That above is why posters in this thread criticizing those of us who have been posting fairly frequently are right... there are bigger issues of ethics in journalism. Simple as that. ....

Yes, there are bigger issues. You said it yourself above... SJW's/feminists claim "video games and comics are BAD and need to change to meet OUR standards."

GG seems to be mostly made up of guys like me who collectively flip these people the bird.

The claims these SJW's are making are bogus, just as they have been for the last 30-40 years. The "nerds" have not become violent and/or sexists - it's the alphas who always have been and will continue to be.

...but they don't want to condemn alphas (with the exception of the #killallmen nutjobs...) because they're so dreamy... *moisten*


"Bring back bullying" they say. Why? The only reason that holds any water is because they loved doing it in the ninth grade and they want more of that same satisfaction. Feel better about oneself by putting someone else down - preferably someone who has the ability to best you in every way except physically and socially. Physical abuse is illegal, therefore, beat them socially. Once again, it's been made socially acceptable to mock those deemed "lower on the social ladder" (with the possible exception of those types earning HUGE salaries already. If it's only high-potential, it's clobberin' time!)

 

[Exophase]

Personally, I don't mind at all if someone wants to criticize games, from a feminist perspective or otherwise. If I think their arguments are bad I may comment on that.

What is harder for me to accept is the sheer vitriol, the hate, the slander, lies, and guilt campaigns.

This may look like gamer nerds wasting their energy on stupid things and maybe that's a part of it. But this is all part of crap that's happening all over the place. ie, this:

https://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/fort-living-room/

Totally different background than GamerGate, but the media recoil is very similar.

GamerGate and controversies like it could have gone down by the media having an open minded discussion about it. Ask people what they're unhappy about. Give them a polite rebuttal explaining why you think they're wrong. Tell them, again, politely, why you think their behavior is counterproductive or harmful. But that's not what we get. We don't get examination of behavior, we don't get discussion of solutions, we don't get anything resembling an attempt at deescalation. We get one media site shouting "everyone look, these people are misogynists!" Then another responds "what? make the misogynists pay!" And a third one "this proves my social cause is always right, and by extension so am I! More rules! More punishment! MORE JUSTICE!" And they keep reporting on each other's reports and talking up the great evil as worse and worse even as nothing new happens.

I don't see how anyone doesn't see how the media today orchestrates witch hunts. I don't see how anyone can miss how much people in influential positions today want to brand and destroy people more than they want to positively change anything. I mean, there are some people like Erik Kain and David Auerbach who tried to facilitate more what I described above, but they got quickly drowned out.

 

[Blue_Max]

https://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/fort-living-room/

Great article! One notable point seen from the SJW's here:

Where the objective is to not just win the argument, but to destroy the arguer. Professionally. In the marketplace. On the big stage of public opinion. This is the kind of stuff you ordinarily find in cut-throat national political elections, but then it’s been clear for years that cut-throat politics have drifted down into nerd circles of all kinds: comic book circles, movie and television circles, video game circles, etc. There’s simply no escaping it. And there are people for whom winning is more important than ethics, more important than integrity, and more important than the truth.

 

[norseamd]

There is nothing notable about any of this bullshit actually.

This cesspool is just nothing but Politics 101 that has existed throughout all of the history of civilization and humanity but probably also all of the history of animal sociology or at least the more sociable animals like birds and mammals especially corvids, monkeys, and apes.

 

[Exophase]

There is nothing notable about any of this bullshit actually.

This cesspool is just nothing but Politics 101 that has existed throughout all of the history of civilization and humanity but probably also all of the history of animal sociology or at least the more sociable animals like birds and mammals especially corvids, monkeys, and apes.

It's tribalism and bigotry like usual. Everyone is susceptible to it. Most likely, everyone will succumb to it on some level.

We can and have made progress in breaking down these barriers. Many people today on both sides have an earnest desire to continue to do so. The real danger is when people stop thinking that it can happen to them. They reason that they're the good guys, they've called out so much bad shit, they're been on the side of the disenfranchised, how could they be unfair, biased, or wrong? If they feel so passionately about something so selfless and noble how could they possibly give in to their own self interests or themselves be blinded by prejudice and feelings of vengeance?

And then the words are flat out changed to where they or their affiliated groups are by definition always the oppressed and their targets are always the oppressors. Double standards are no longer merely tolerated but celebrated.

 

[Blue_Max]

There is nothing notable about any of this bullshit actually.

This cesspool is just nothing but Politics 101 that has existed throughout all of the history of civilization and humanity but probably also all of the history of animal sociology or at least the more sociable animals like birds and mammals especially corvids, monkeys, and apes.

Yeah, you got a point. It's not even new about targeting nerds OR video games... it's just using social media this time so it's coming from all angles, not just the man on the telly.