#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[Exophase]

Yeah, you got a point. It's not even new about targeting nerds OR video games... it's just using social media this time so it's coming from all angles, not just the man on the telly.

Good point.

We don't just watch the news, we make the news. More or less. People are far more connected in communication and not necessarily in a way that's always positive. Everyone is influencing everyone with their tweets. And what's actually trying to pass as real news is also becoming more and more sourced from tweets.

 

[CitizenKain]

Yes, there are bigger issues. You said it yourself above... SJW's/feminists claim "video games and comics are BAD and need to change to meet OUR standards."

GG seems to be mostly made up of guys like me who collectively flip these people the bird.

The claims these SJW's are making are bogus, just as they have been for the last 30-40 years. The "nerds" have not become violent and/or sexists - it's the alphas who always have been and will continue to be.

...but they don't want to condemn alphas (with the exception of the #killallmen nutjobs...) because they're so dreamy... *moisten*


"Bring back bullying" they say. Why? The only reason that holds any water is because they loved doing it in the ninth grade and they want more of that same satisfaction. Feel better about oneself by putting someone else down - preferably someone who has the ability to best you in every way except physically and socially. Physical abuse is illegal, therefore, beat them socially. Once again, it's been made socially acceptable to mock those deemed "lower on the social ladder" (with the possible exception of those types earning HUGE salaries already. If it's only high-potential, it's clobberin' time!)

But when gamergater "people" threaten and bully normal people, its ok though. Because then its white males showing those women and minorities who is boss. Which is what this really boils down to.

 

[norseamd]

But when gamergater "people" threaten and bully normal people, its ok though. Because then its white males showing those women and minorities who is boss. Which is what this really boils down to. CitizenKain is online now Report Post

You are the first one to start yelling bullshit again here.

This is just showing how many ethical and logical problems there are in society right now.

 

[Blue_Max]

But when gamergater "people" threaten and bully normal people, its ok though. Because then its white males showing those women and minorities who is boss. Which is what this really boils down to.

Except GG people AREN'T bullying - they're being bullied by SJW's who want them to disappear.

 

[brycejones]

Except GG people AREN'T bullying - they're being bullied by SJW's who want them to disappear.

That's pretty funny.

 

[norseamd]

They are putting out the traps now for everyone Blue Max. They are looking at how they can get the discussion to start devolving into diatribe so they can start pointing to some hypocritical white image bullshit and start proclaiming themselves as righteous and true and then start degrading everyone else as evil and pathetic.

 

[MrPickins]

Except GG people AREN'T bullying - they're being bullied by SJW's who want them to disappear.

Yeah, doxxing and swatting is definitely not bullying... :whiste:

They are putting out the traps now for everyone Blue Max. They are looking at how they can get the discussion to start devolving into diatribe so they can start pointing to some hypocritical white image bullshit and start proclaiming themselves as righteous and true and then start degrading everyone else as evil and pathetic.

This discussion has already devolved into a diatribe (from both sides).

Have you even read Blue_Max's posts in this thread?

 

[norseamd]

This discussion has already devolved into a diatribe (from both sides).

Yes but we actually just had some good discussion and then someone has to go and mess shit up again and it is pissing me off about that shit.

Yes there is some problems with equality in video games but that is exting in all of civilization also even after decades of feminism and the passing of laws and court decisions.

However with how much limited attention I have given so far it seems to me that the problem is not actually so much the games but the social scene around the video games industry. But then again trolling is everywhere so much of that is going to be misinterpreted or exaggerated in all these situations. That said go to any game chat or forum and if you look in the right place you are going to find major sexism and even racism full of hate and prejudice.

 

[Blue_Max]

Yeah, doxxing and swatting is definitely not bullying... :whiste:

This discussion has already devolved into a diatribe (from both sides).

Have you even read Blue_Max's posts in this thread?

Perhaps you've missed WHO is doing all the doxxing, running the block-bots, calling employers to get people fired... hint; it's not the gamers.

 

[brycejones]

They are putting out the traps now for everyone Blue Max. They are looking at how they can get the discussion to start devolving into diatribe so they can start pointing to some hypocritical white image bullshit and start proclaiming themselves as righteous and true and then start degrading everyone else as evil and pathetic.

Projecting?

 

[brycejones]

running the block-bots

Are we back to the ignoring someone is being a bully shit?

 

[MrPickins]

Perhaps you've missed WHO is doing all the doxxing, running the block-bots, calling employers to get people fired... hint; it's not the gamers.

You're asserting that no GG'ers have been involved in doxxing/swatting/harrasment?

Yeah, ok....

 

[Blue_Max]

...and I agree with those who say this is a pointless discussion because there's no way to come to a conclusion with a group who will. not. deviate from their agenda, regardless of any and all data saying otherwise.

Plus, they feed off of drama, so I've been inadvertently giving the SJW's exactly what they want... agree or disagree, they get what they want.

One can only hope that if they're ignored, they'll starve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eQW-NvtAEs <- at the 20-minute mark, we can see how powerful Sarky really is... hundreds of thousands of people viewing her glowing recommendation for her favorite vidya-girl has resulted in ZERO sales. Zero.
Better version with no jumping required.

The games industry has no need of Sarky, feminism, or SJW control. It has NO impact on sales. The gamers, as a whole, have flipped them all the bird and bought the games they want to play. Period.

*sniff*

 

[MrPickins]

Yes but we actually just had some good discussion and then someone has to go and mess shit up again and it is pissing me off about that shit.

I won't disagree with you here, but I will say that #GamerGate is so poisoned by this point that a new movement is necessary if they want to continue with actual discussion.

However with how much limited attention I have given so far it seems to me that the problem is not actually so much the games but the social scene around the video games industry. But then again trolling is everywhere so much of that is going to be misinterpreted or exaggerated in all these situations.

This is the crux of the problem. There is no rational discussion to be had in this environment.

That said go to any game chat or forum and if you look in the right place you are going to find major sexism and even racism full of hate and prejudice.

This thread for example.

 

[MrPickins]

...and I agree with those who say this is a pointless discussion because there's no way to come to a conclusion with a group who will. not. deviate from their agenda, regardless of any and all data saying otherwise.

Plus, they feed off of drama, so I've been inadvertently giving the SJW's exactly what they want... agree or disagree, they get what they want.

One can only hope that if they're ignored, they'll starve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eQW-NvtAEs <- at the 20-minute mark, we can see how powerful Sarky really is... hundreds of thousands of people viewing her glowing recommendation for her favorite vidya-girl has resulted in ZERO sales. Zero.
Better version with no jumping required.

The games industry has no need of Sarky, feminism, or SJW control. It has NO impact on sales. The gamers, as a whole, have flipped them all the bird and bought the games they want to play. Period.

*sniff*

So basically, all the effort wasn't worth a hill of beans. Just like the majority of people have been saying all along.

 

[blankslate]

Honestly, I can't read this remark as anything but haughty. What it sounds like you're saying is that ethics in one area of journalism don't matter because there are more egregious ethics issues. That's fine, and I don't necessarily disagree with that; however... how about you make a thread on them and discuss them in there.

There have been such threads and I have replied in them when I noticed them. However, it's not salacious enough... It's not that other areas are more egregious than others it's pretty much the same thing... money influencing what can be covered or discussed.

You may say it's haughty but I think that calling attention to the ones who cover the people making the laws as well as domestic and foreign policy decisions that will our quality of life as well as people who cover our entertainment (in it's various forms) which has yet to be negatively impacted by feminist criticisms is necessary. Anyone concerned about "ethics in journalism" shouldn't constrain that interest to only a part of journalism as a whole...

Yes, there are bigger issues. You said it yourself above... SJW's/feminists claim "video games and comics are BAD and need to change to meet OUR standards."

GG seems to be mostly made up of guys like me who collectively flip these people the bird.

And where have the feminists who have criticized any form of entertainment been successful in stopping what they find objectionable?

There were "violent and sexist" movies before and there are still such movies being made now. What about explicit music... I don't know about you but I can still find music with such lyrical content to listen to if I so choose.

People are still making violent videogames now... Hatred is one recent example. It'll probably sell more because people objecting to the game content inadvertently bringing the game more attention.


....

 

[master_shake_]

...and I agree with those who say this is a pointless discussion because there's no way to come to a conclusion with a group who will. not. deviate from their agenda, regardless of any and all data saying otherwise.

Plus, they feed off of drama, so I've been inadvertently giving the SJW's exactly what they want... agree or disagree, they get what they want.

One can only hope that if they're ignored, they'll starve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eQW-NvtAEs <- at the 20-minute mark, we can see how powerful Sarky really is... hundreds of thousands of people viewing her glowing recommendation for her favorite vidya-girl has resulted in ZERO sales. Zero.
Better version with no jumping required.

The games industry has no need of Sarky, feminism, or SJW control. It has NO impact on sales. The gamers, as a whole, have flipped them all the bird and bought the games they want to play. Period.

*sniff*

laughed my ass off at this youtube comment

Steven Glansburg 4 days ago
My players name on Fifa is "The Patriarchy" meanest goal scorer around.

 

[Exophase]

You're asserting that no GG'ers have been involved in doxxing/swatting/harrasment?

Yeah, ok....

I don't know of any individual examples of people who were doxxing and SWATting people "in the name of GamerGate" who haven't been shown to be blatant trolls or goaded by trolls (like the ones offering game codes if they tweet atrocities)

That's not to say that there aren't people doing awful things like this under some kind of GG affiliation or affectation or whatever. There are going to be really terrible people in pretty much any sizeable group. The question is less whether or not there are these terrible people there (or, say, that there are terrible people who call themselves feminists) but whether or not the GG movement, momentum, communities it has fostered and passions it has inflamed is itself responsible for encouraging people to send death threats, doxxing, SWATing, etc.

I've read a lot of stuff from GG communities, and personally I got pretty tired of it.. there was a decent amount of variety there but still a big undercurrent of people who came off to me as immature, puerile, and biased as hell. A lot of chan culture that I may think has a right to exist but have never personally enjoyed. And a lot of people really ingrained in their bitterness and not really capable of seeing where the other side was coming from at all.

But would I say that it was an environment that fostered, encouraged, or (as I've seriously seen some people claim, no joke) benefited from terrorizing people with terrible threats? I don't think so. And I don't think I've seen anyone make a compelling argument for this. I don't think I've seen anyone even try to make a compelling case for this. All I've seen are people en masse assert it as fact. People who stand to benefit from it being fact.

For all the nonsense that happens in GG communities, you will be hard pressed to find someone who seriously wants this kind of thing to happen. Someone who is not only that vindictive and hateful, but so out of touch with their own interests. It's obvious that the presence of obscene harassment has completely taken over media discourse and has been exhibit A in the trial of public opinion. Every time it happens I guarantee you there are thousands of GGers loathing it, and doing what little they can to try to stop it (like the Twitter anti-harassment group that at least tries to report it as soon as they see it).

Some controversial people online who have been twitter spammed to millions receive threats, something that pretty much always happens, something that sadly is pretty much expected because you can't avoid reaching psychopaths in crowds of millions. That doesn't mean that their psychopathy is cultivated by nerd culture or whatever. But they were saying that about Elliot Rodgers so of course they're going to keep saying that now.

 

[Blue_Max]

And where have the feminists who have criticized any form of entertainment been successful in stopping what they find objectionable?

There were "violent and sexist" movies before and there are still such movies being made now. What about explicit music... I don't know about you but I can still find music with such lyrical content to listen to if I so choose.

People are still making violent videogames now... Hatred is one recent example. It'll probably sell more because people objecting to the game content inadvertently bringing the game more attention.

...well if we could just get them out of the family courts, life might be half-decent again.

 

[Aikouka]

There have been such threads and I have replied in them when I noticed them. However, it's not salacious enough... It's not that other areas are more egregious than others it's pretty much the same thing... money influencing what can be covered or discussed.

I definitely agree that this whole GamerGate movement has seen a lot more press than it probably should have -- and probably not the kind that they wanted. In fact, I think the usual retort "It's about ethics in game journalism..." says quite a lot about this entire debacle.

You may say it's haughty but I think that calling attention to the ones who cover the people making the laws as well as domestic and foreign policy decisions that will our quality of life as well as people who cover our entertainment (in it's various forms) which has yet to be negatively impacted by feminist criticisms is necessary. Anyone concerned about "ethics in journalism" shouldn't constrain that interest to only a part of journalism as a whole...

I agree that people should be cognizant of other areas too, but my point is that this thread is about one specific topic. This is a forum, and as you'd expect, we're always going to have topics (in pretty much any of the sub-forums) with varying degrees of importance. I wouldn't be surprised if the people posting in here also care about ethics in other areas as well, but this may seem more popular simply because of the weird twists and turns that it has taken. In most situations, I think people tend to be far less divided when it comes to claims of ethical misconduct, which is probably why you see far less being posted about it. I mean... do you really think anyone sided with Gamespot during the Kane & Lynch scandal? However, the GamerGate topic has this weird, politically-charged aspect that has divided people, which tends to cause more discussion or back-and-forth arguments.

 

[CitizenKain]

Are we back to the ignoring someone is being a bully shit?

Yea, you see if a gamergater like blue_max can't tell some women that she should be raped, then she is actually the oppressor.

This is what people like him believe, they need to have this hugbox where only things that appeal to them can exist. Someone makes a interesting little game like Gone Home and that is apparently the worst thing ever developed because it isn't targeted at them. If something isn't made just for them, its oppressive and part of some SJW narrative. Somehow.

 

[norseamd]

So I have hit the Post Reply up at the top of the page. So Citizen Kain has replied and what are we going to find? Just some more trolling or actually a post with some real content?

 

[Blue_Max]

Withdrawn. Won't feed the troll.

 

[CitizenKain]

So I have hit the Post Reply up at the top of the page. So Citizen Kain has replied and what are we going to find? Just some more trolling or actually a post with some real content?

Are you suddenly expecting me to start agreeing with you all of a sudden? Or do you consider any disagreement as trolling?
When your side considers any counter argument as SJW propaganda or simply screams feminist at them, why exactly should anyone put any effort into discussing things with you?

 

[rudeguy]

while I don't care for either side of this debate, I love Anne Wheaton and how she handled things:

http://www.themarysue.com/anne-wheaton-feminist-frequency/


TL;DR:
She had a bad experience with a gamergate idiot. Decides to donate $1 to feminist charity for every mean tweet she got. Then another person joined her, then another. All of the sudden the gamer gate idiots were helping to raise money for feminists.

Will did well.