#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

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0roo0roo

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Honey badgers booted from Calgary expo
https://twitter.com/CHSommers/status/589159912145551360
KotakuInAction on Friday: Breaking News!
Hat Deux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm3ehbVRCJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBfJuvopPg
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/32xxy4/from_a_honeybadger_on_the_scene_day2_of/
https://archive.today/ahcGH


expo's deleting their tweets, hashtag being flooded
https://twitter.com/hashtag/CalgaryExpo?src=hash
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reports are people just linking to this marysue article are getting shadowbanned on twitter
https://archive.today/2015041718005...o-gamergate-evicted/#selection-831.37-831.183
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IwpzGhoD_RU9UNmvzecJHVTpxiN06sFpjHI5jWfguIw/edit

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blake0812

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Did you really just link wikipedia on gamergate?

Christ...

They have as much credibility as leigh alexander on this...because they cite people like her, this is the entire problem, these people construct and poison the narrative.

This, it's why teachers say "Don't use wikipedia as a source" ;)
 

norseamd

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This, it's why teachers say "Don't use wikipedia as a source"

For most stuff it is quite good for reading up on shit. On unknown or controversial articles you might start to run into some problems.

Question.

Do you think with how certain mainstream media have lined up in this conflict do you think there is no possibility that someone like Britannica would not have articles that would have some bias against GG?
 

blake0812

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For most stuff it is quite good for reading up on shit. On unknown or controversial articles you might start to run into some problems.

Question.

Do you think with how certain mainstream media have lined up in this conflict do you think there is no possibility that someone like Britannica would not have articles that would have some bias against GG?

There's always gonna be a hint of bias, humans by nature are bias IMO. it's best to try to downsize it as much as possible. I don't read britannica but it's kinda telling when Encyclopedia Dramatica has a more neutral stance than Wikipedia.
 

norseamd

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There's always gonna be a hint of bias, humans by nature are bias IMO. it's best to try to downsize it as much as possible. I don't read britannica but it's kinda telling when Encyclopedia Dramatica has a more neutral stance than Wikipedia.

True that. Jimmy Wales even said he was very concerned about the massive political shit going on in Wikipedia on GG and the rest of the related shit.
 

mikeymikec

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Did you really just link wikipedia on gamergate?

Considering that there were four parties involved in the situation: Quinn, Grayson, the editor of Kotaku, and the ex boyfriend. You wouldn't believe anything the first three had to say, and the fourth only seems to talk in the context of the broken relationship and AFAIK hasn't brought forward anything to say "x occurred, which directly affected y" (y being relevant in the context of journalism ethics). Kotaku didn't do a review of Depression Quest either. What evidence beyond bias or question would you expect one to quote in such a situation?
 
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There's always gonna be a hint of bias, humans by nature are bias IMO. it's best to try to downsize it as much as possible. I don't read britannica but it's kinda telling when Encyclopedia Dramatica has a more neutral stance than Wikipedia.

That's because nobody truly cares what's written on ED, since most of it is trash and humor.
Wikipedia on the other hand is "the source of all that is true", and therefore anything that's on wikipedia is self-perpetuating.

Also, wikipedia has more meta-politics than ED as well - far more people who get to decide whether to block or not on certain edits, with power-dynamics between these people as well.

Also, ED allows far more...relevant... sources with regards to this specific topic :D
 

norseamd

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and the fourth only seems to talk in the context of the broken relationship and AFAIK hasn't brought forward anything to say "x occurred, which directly affected y"

Which is fine for him because he can stay out of the mess if he wants to since his story only addressed Zoe Quinn and her relationships. And if I remember right he did not identify those relationships until the rest of the internet revealed who those journalists actually were so the point basically was worthless.

The problem is that anti-GGs are now using the overall shit show to try to say nothing he said was true when he even had brought up screengrabs from Facebook on video to prove to everyone the stuff he had said was actually true.
 

CitizenKain

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Did you really just link wikipedia on gamergate?

Christ...

They have as much credibility as leigh alexander on this...because they cite people like her, this is the entire problem, these people construct and poison the narrative.

Hahahahahahahaha. They "construct and poison the narrative". You mean they don't simply repeat what you want to hear. How fucking priceless.

Also you of all people saying anything about credibility. You. That is fucking priceless.
 

fskimospy

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Hahahahahahahaha. They "construct and poison the narrative". You mean they don't simply repeat what you want to hear. How fucking priceless.

Also you of all people saying anything about credibility. You. That is fucking priceless.

To these guys there are only two types of sources, the kind that agree with them and biased ones. Logic doesn't enter into it.
 

0roo0roo

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The sjw's just proved they are the intolerant establishment by kicking out the honey badgers from the Calgary expo, for all their talk of "diversity", they can't help but expose their intolerance.
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Banned for not Damselling
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdTVMiD0UI

Find the Harassment
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBfJuvopPg


Tropes vs Gamers pt 1: Microtransactrions and the Damsel
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDSeRDU0oMA





Stream with Karen about her getting kicked out from a comic convention
Vee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IezRRovPJQM


Honey Badger Brigade "Asked to Leave" Calgary Expo
Video Culture Replay Blog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxCEQ5EZ1dI
http://theralphretort.com/anti-game...s-ugly-head-this-time-at-calgary-expo4017015/


KotakuInAction on Friday: Breaking News!
Hat Deux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm3ehbVRCJA
https://archive.today/ahcGH
http://archive.today/GTYZg



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Milo is as ever..based..

A Conversation with Milo Yiannopoulos
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzK7VqGfGSs


Another awesome followup by the Indie-Fensible people detailing corruption in the indie industry.

Oh Boy, Boyer! -- Indie-Fensible (#GamerGate)
ShortFatOtaku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAUG8tQP7Jo
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Adam Sessler Insults Fan, MKX On-Disc DLC, Arcade Challenge, ESA Calls Gamers Hackers + More!
EventStatus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG1N_45oazE



Zoe Quinns Testimony
Zoe Quinn Talks About #GamerGate At Congressional Briefing on Cyberstalking
Video Game Journalism (YTheAlien)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj-UXfUdeBA
http://s2b20blog.mukyou.com/hidden-face-hypocrisy-randi-harper/
http://s2b20blog.mukyou.com/the-underhanded-nature-of-the-online-abuse-prevention-initiative/
http://pastebin.com/yzi5SrcP
https://archive.today/1L3X4
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The privilege...
https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/589032257077252096
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And yes that's the "sports bike" she bragged about buying and the one jc conners threatened her to a "street race" with.

Complete take over of her tag was a beautiful success
https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopWebH8?src=hash



Perfect example of an academic just abusing her credentials to lie, this one had the gall to actually call out gamergate during that conference. So people looked at what she was and why she was there, she's an academic who jumped on the gaming bandwagon, yet another person with no industry experience claiming wide spread misogyny exists to justify her own existence, especially hilarious when she claims that 33% of "game design" students are female therefore this proves women are underrepresented, as if a literature degree leads to people writing great novels... "game design" programs are about the scammiest college programs around as no one just hires you for game design, you have to prove yourself. But she does these talks to ensure her programs funding, her funding, its always about money and power in the end with these people.
Constance Steinkuehler Talks About #GamerGate At GDC 2015
Video Game Journalism (YTheAlien)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6jotqQ1_U
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Steinkuehler
http://pastebin.com/M4KFM6HT

At the GDC Ashly Burch and some writer again, are dishonest, as usual Ashly is more subtle in the way she feeds people poison, she also did this with her youtube nation video slamming gamergate as well, she attempts to appear reasonable, while basically playing the damsel pleading with devs to white knight for them. Full Emma Watson exploitation of neotany in play.
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http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1021899/Curiosity-Courage-and-Camouflage-Revealing
But the truth is they use the same deceptive numbers, the same cherry picked examples, I mean seriously, how awkward are those interviews with children, in an environment where they will hardly be honest, being grilled by a feminist adult woman at school, that is the best way to find the truth....when children of that age are insecure, do not wish to stick out from their peers especially on controversial issues of politics, defer to authority and just looking to please, its pretty sickening once you realize what that woman did at that school.

When people have to try this hard claiming they have the secret to success, you know they aren't being straight with you, otherwise they would have pushed their own projects and reaped the benefits for themselves..


ABC: Women in the Gaming Industry
Video Game Journalism (YTheAlien)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ViapIAqTLw


ABC Good Game Australia put out a propaganda segment on women in games...but a rudimentary look at the talking heads revealed plenty, you had people who had no business talking about games or "experience" in the games industry, you had academics and IGDA shills, the Kasmumovic guy really just takes the cake with the unsubstantiated statements he endlessly makes.

The most interesting omission when its a segment pushing women into the game industry? Australia just lost its last AAA studio just days ago, the "industry" has been losing studio after studio and you see these academics and non profit people who are totally insulated from market reality push women into an industry which doesn't exist..... it shows they don't actually have any concern for women, to them, other women are pawns in their ideological battle.
Just look at the linkedin's of the talking heads... says it all http://pastebin.com/rk5f9pxh

Sadly "hex" on the show goes full damsel feminist....even changes her facebook picture to a "poor sad woman, please save me picture" I used to be a fan but now, the shows a write off.
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#GamerGate: A follow up to the Good Game feature & Hex's Rant
The Australian Patriarchy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBav-c6qi2U
 
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0roo0roo

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People starting to show devs what "influence" Anita really has...

Dear Developers: SJWs Don't Buy Games. Gamers do
arbitor365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enlJ7oHRw1A

Pandering to Social Justice is Pointless
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NWpC-CMz8I

Who is Harassing Anita Sarkeesian?
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eQW-NvtAEs

Anita lost the vote by 80 to 20, and time still put her in, with a piece written by will wheaton which was North Korean level praise of the dear leader.
http://theralphretort.com/anita-sar...100-even-though-she-lost-big-in-vote-4016015/
https://archive.today/QxsjP
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[Gaming] New ESA study shows games media only accounts for 3% of total sales
MundaneMatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YKZtexsQMQ

Feminist frequency attacks Hillary Clinton
LtSarge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLc9AWrBSXs

Anita Sarkeesian Part 2: Burqa Beach Party
Instig8iveJournalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFk5F-S_hI

Hillary Clinton Hates On Video Games
Future Majority
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1udjd2Aq3E&sns=tw


Total Biscuit responds to more attacks on his wife
https://twitter.com/GennaBain/status/589489277198848000


PuppetTales: Your Opinion is Stupid
KiteTales
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVioQOi1XU

Tea and Pretzels Podcast
Kelvin Matarie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fdKVP8EVd4





Sjw's and poes law.... top quality trolling
Godfrey, I Salute You
Vernaculis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEJiwBjFepo
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...isogyny-sjw-satirist-punks-bbc-world-service/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc...nder-as-Twitter-hoaxer-is-invited-on-air.html

Welcome to the new leftist hugbox, where just listening to Christina Hoff Sommers triggers people
http://twitchy.com/2015/04/16/the-n...mmers-appearances-come-with-trigger-warnings/

Twitters starting censorship tests, shadow bans, guess who they are hitting...
https://twitter.com/I_AM_IRON_VAN/status/589109106792914944
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IwpzGhoD_RU9UNmvzecJHVTpxiN06sFpjHI5jWfguIw/edit

HOW AUTHORITARIAN ACTIVISTS ARE CENSORING TWITTER bokum libertarian blue
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/10/how-authoritarian-activists-are-censoring-twitter/

Yet another feminist showed just how nice these people are
Ashley Lynch taped a printout of vivian james to beat on it...
https://archive.today/MbuCW
https://archive.today/YZ9PC
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Just another adult woman, married, trolling the internet trying to rile up a nasty comment by upsetting some 12 year old some where. Even went to 8chan to stir the pot.. Same play as Anita, just completely hamfisted...


Also some blockbot progress on the uk side
Liberal Democrat executive committee member suspended over “kill all men” hate tweets
https://hequal.wordpress.com/2015/0...mber-suspended-over-kill-all-men-hate-tweets/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/17/kill-all-men-lib-dem-activist-in-hate-speech-scandal/


'The People of #GamerGate 7' with special guest Sophia Eris.
Dale Goodridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykYdtPmg9VI

More corruption exposed, its a small clique..as usual
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/20...out-gamergate-while-more-corruption-surfaces/



If You Want the Internet to be a Better Place (psuedo commercial)
HotelEarth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyzfbFP1MbA

GamerGate Interview 14.0
by TheAndredal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivz861ng9ls


GamerGate Interview 13.0
TheAndredal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nsznXrHbsw



Talking with Justicar @integralmathyt about how social justice co-opts things
Vee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHLf9Iyo0hM

God Save the Fullchan
PowerIndustry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTFo99mB2M


Tea and Pretzels Podcast
Kelvin Matarie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuoGPUrUU3g

More sad puppies.....
BadgerPod Gamergate 11: Sad Pound Puppies
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ7s71qC0pk
http://thefederalist.com/2015/04/08/the-hugo-awards-culture-wars/
http://spectator.org/articles/62372/sci-fi’s-pod-people
https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/culture-war-goes-nuclear_913009.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ugh-when-even-sad-puppies-can-beat-them-david



http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/20...re-critics-propaganda-about-sexism-in-gaming/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25844719
https://vgresearcher.wordpress.com/...man-video-game-players-breuer-et-al-in-press/

Saturday night Satan with Triangles
G8an Satan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjNB5YG3sjo

Tea and Pretzels Podcast
Kelvin Matarie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuoGPUrUU3g


Bro Team trolls Sarkeesian by posting a tweet just mentioning her, and she finds it, and makes it about herself immediately
Don't even have to repeat her name three times;)
https://twitter.com/Chriss_m/status/589704227238318080
https://archive.today/IZ2T1
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The Victory of #GamerGate
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_KMA2j_PWM


Just another one bit the dust a few hours ago
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White male..hipster...stubbornly anti GG..check
https://archive.today/YY2Ki



Boobs vs Blood, Gaming Inequality
Gaijin Goombah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI55CyoPsVU



Brianna continues her tour of victimhood
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http://www.columbiachronicle.com/campus/article_f24ae012-e004-11e4-bdf1-373126c316cd.html
Brianna Wu - Gamers were born in a sewage-
Vee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d-d0Pa1AF8





And Milo and some gamergate people had a meet up
https://twitter.com/Nero/status/589583064248012800
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0roo0roo

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Bonus wu
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and click if you dare...
https://twitter.com/mombot/status/587790122092855297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW5lZmxNHes

There was also some fuss over some Anita "creepshot"
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but they kind of forgot what they supported in the past....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOZmjjY0ixs


Considering that there were four parties involved in the situation: Quinn, Grayson, the editor of Kotaku, and the ex boyfriend. You wouldn't believe anything the first three had to say, and the fourth only seems to talk in the context of the broken relationship and AFAIK hasn't brought forward anything to say "x occurred, which directly affected y" (y being relevant in the context of journalism ethics). Kotaku didn't do a review of Depression Quest either. What evidence beyond bias or question would you expect one to quote in such a situation?


If you want to see how thoroughly misreported this issue is.
Internet Aristocrat - Quinnspiracy Theory [Mirror]
GamerGaters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz--i3M4PVk

We weren't saying she got a review, this was mentioned right at the start by Internet Aristcrat within the first third of his video which kicked things off, the original upload was closing on a million views btw. Go ahead and listen and see just how distorted people have been trying to make the narrative, when it was clear from day one. This video was originally uploaded in august of last year.

The industry is rife with these conflicts of interest.
Cara Ellison Porpentine conflicts of interest, this stuff is everywhere in their clique
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http://pastebin.com/u2334JcG

To these guys there are only two types of sources, the kind that agree with them and biased ones. Logic doesn't enter into it.

Its called critical thinking, and verification.

The people like Constance Steinkuehler and the talking heads featured on the ABC Good Game segment usually get away with what they do because no one actually checks their credentials and associations, let alone the sources for their claims.

I'm not sure why you are defending the gawkerization of the media.


Just look at the honey badger situation, the marysue prints lies, and then others repeat, doesn't matter if there is a recording proving she said nothing "harassing", the truth is what the media says it is..
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That's because nobody truly cares what's written on ED, since most of it is trash and humor.
Wikipedia on the other hand is "the source of all that is true", and therefore anything that's on wikipedia is self-perpetuating.

Also, wikipedia has more meta-politics than ED as well - far more people who get to decide whether to block or not on certain edits, with power-dynamics between these people as well.

Also, ED allows far more...relevant... sources with regards to this specific topic :D


Exactly, its the dangerous default, just look at what happens when you ask your smartphone a question.....


Forgot to add, the expo hashtags are also taken over now
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Expogate?src=hash
https://twitter.com/hashtag/CalgaryExpo?src=hash
 
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norseamd

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Just another adult woman, married, trolling the internet trying to rile up a comment by upsetting some 12 year old some where. Even went to 8chan to stir the pot.. Same play as Anita, just completely hamfisted...

Not looking too good?

She did total fucking nothing to that picture cause she sucks at martial arts.
 

norseamd

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Who is Gehr and what do they have to do with Gamergate? Reading that shit it looks like they actually make nothing and are just middlemen. It seems like there is some connection between Gehr and Katherine Clark but I can not make out what is actually going on from this information.
 

CitizenKain

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Maybe you gamergate trash should threaten to kill Anita some more, make sure she understands her place.

Actually, calling a gamergater trash is insulting to trash, trash was once something useful.
 

norseamd

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Maybe you gamergate trash should threaten to kill Anita some more, make sure she understands her place.

Actually, calling a gamergater trash is insulting to trash, trash was once something useful.

Looks like you are insecure, prejudiced, violent, and hypocritical.
 

Phokus

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Who is Gehr and what do they have to do with Gamergate? Reading that shit it looks like they actually make nothing and are just middlemen. It seems like there is some connection between Gehr and Katherine Clark but I can not make out what is actually going on from this information.

Gehr is where Zoe's Boyfriend's dad works. He's a president there and receives a trust fund from him. That's why he doesn't need to work and can travel the world without a care.

Gehr helps making weapons that kill palestinians, iirc.
 

mikeymikec

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If you want to see how thoroughly misreported this issue is.
Internet Aristocrat - Quinnspiracy Theory [Mirror]
GamerGaters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz--i3M4PVk

We weren't saying she got a review, this was mentioned right at the start by Internet Aristcrat within the first third of his video which kicked things off, the original upload was closing on a million views btw. Go ahead and listen and see just how distorted people have been trying to make the narrative, when it was clear from day one. This video was originally uploaded in august of last year.

I'm not planning on watching a ~2hr clip in the hope of finding something to counter-point what I wrote. Please quote the relevant sections to address the point I made.

Also, if they have actual assertions to make, do they have any evidence to back up said points with. This is something usually lacking with YT clips on this sort of topic (I'm remembering the AS thread where people would try to make a point and use a YT clip as evidence to back it up, only to find myself watching >30 minute long rambles with nothing but opinion, radioactive levels of hyperbole and/or nothing relevant to back up the quoter's point).

Furthermore, a ~2hr clip very much suggests a conspiracy ramble that's light on evidence. Either Quinn benefited from and/or exploited her relationship with Grayson and received xyz in return for turning him on, or people are making baseless claims about it. It doesn't take two hours to say that.
 
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so if you want to debate a ProGGie you better follow these rules

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If you cannot abide by the above rules then you automatically have violated Godwin's Law without even realize it...

it's a strange way to debate. the only winning move is not to play.


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touchstone

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I'm gonna break it down into simple terms for you guys; If you care about gamergate, you are a loser. There are basically no reasonable, well adjusted human beings that give a crap about this.



So I would advise the people who regularly post in this thread to take a look at themselves and ask "why am I such a loser?", and consider ways to stop being so engaged in something universally regarded as stupid by anyone sane.
 

Nebor

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I'm gonna break it down into simple terms for you guys; If you care about gamergate, you are a loser. There are basically no reasonable, well adjusted human beings that give a crap about this.



So I would advise the people who regularly post in this thread to take a look at themselves and ask "why am I such a loser?", and consider ways to stop being so engaged in something universally regarded as stupid by anyone sane.

Everyone involved in either side of this thing is a loser. Arguing over video games with people who don't even play video games. lol.