#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[norseamd]

You know what you may be right... My views may not be logicial...

As I see it I have this idea that is fundamental to my view of the world...

Any expressive medium that humans produce (be it music, movies, paintings drawings dance and including video games) can be considered art. Especially if thereis something about it that affects the person who is viewing, listening to, or playing it.

For example when Sephiroth killed Aeris in FFVII, a lot of people have said they were very much affected by that part of the video game.

As far as art goes every form of art as far as I can tell to one degree or another has met with criticism... it seems to be some weird litmus test that people collectively apply to "art" to see if it is really "art"

Because of that I do believe that since video games falls into that category that fundamentally video games will inevitably to be the subject of criticism.

Whether or not we like it, there will be people who will level that criticism at something that I do spend a fair (ok maybe a lot) of time doing.

Hell, I might even partially agree with some of their points... as an example I do notice that some armor items that look one way on a male character does somehow look a bit more interesting when it is on a female character.

Maybe it's just not logical to say that since feminists have leveled criticism at movies and music in particular for violence or misogyny or sexism and that their criticisms hasn't affected the genres of movies or music that the public can watch or listen to (in other words that violent, "sexist" movies and explicit music is still very much available); that criticisms leveled at video-games by different groups including feminists won't stop development of violent games or stop the appearance of sexy female avatars in games...


But you know judging from the previous examples of controversies on other mediums of art... I don't think feminists are the concern that some people say they are.... I'll even draw the conclusion (flawed though my logic may be) that since criticisms of movies or music has not led to widespread censorship of either in the name of "equality" that similar criticisms leveled at videogames won't bring widespread censorship of those either....

I think the above conclusion is a safe one to have even though there are wacky extreme examples of feminists just as there are wacky extreme examples of gamergate supporters...

Especially that one guy who allegedly stole his mother's Prius and crashed it on his way to street race Brianna Wu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYPC-YMdJFI

Either that or he's on a different level sort of like an Andy Kauffman of youtube.

*e2a*

I do think that gamergate has done something worthwhile... publications that didn't have a code of conduct for it's employees now have adopted them and others that did have apparently revised them.


Here is an imo very good (although lengthy) blog post by a neutral that explains how he thinks #gamergate and all of the hullaballoo around it blew up...

A ‘Neutral’ Mansplains Gamergate, Social Justice and Radical Feminism

I pretty much share about all of his views.






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Well shit meant to reply to this but was lazy and ended up forgetting so sorry about that.

The fact that you even think about it already puts you above most of the political fray. So maybe sorry if I was quick to slam you but the fact is the whole situation is very complicated. There is still prejudice in the games industry and I think we could do more towards producing games for women along with the traditional games we make for men. However the issue is not actually whether or not there are equality problems in the games industry but that many of the developers, publishers, journalists, and companies who are shouting about it are basically only doing this because of politics. Not to say that many of those who are involved in gamergate are any different but there does seem to be many more moderate players who are supporting gamergate. But there are probably many prejudiced players who are using this fact to their advantage in advancing their interests in winning the political war with the "feminist" crowd that seems to more or less do far more destruction to the cause of equality then they do as far as actually promoting egalitarianism or progression in society or at least just the games industry.

 

[0roo0roo]

Well shit meant to reply to this but was lazy and ended up forgetting so sorry about that.

The fact that you even think about it already puts you above most of the political fray. So maybe sorry if I was quick to slam you but the fact is the whole situation is very complicated. There is still prejudice in the games industry and I think we could do more towards producing games for women along with the traditional games we make for men. However the issue is not actually whether or not there are equality problems in the games industry but that many of the developers, publishers, journalists, and companies who are shouting about it are basically only doing this because of politics. Not to say that many of those who are involved in gamergate are any different but there does seem to be many more moderate players who are supporting gamergate. But there are probably many prejudiced players who are using this fact to their advantage in advancing their interests in winning the political war with the "feminist" crowd that seems to more or less do far more destruction to the cause of equality then they do as far as actually promoting egalitarianism or progression in society or at least just the games industry.

You are making assertions based on presumptions which have been popularized by people who have no concern for the truth.

Its really not that complicated. Games are no more sexist than sports, in that gender is a factor in determining your interests. Only a total denial of human nature pushed by people who have been ideologically blinded has led to people just assuming any disparity must be explained only by sexism and prejudice. Just look at professional sports, just look at the failure of the wnba, is that an indication of prejudice in the sports industry? Or just evidence of gender differences, because women have freely voted with their wallets on this matter. So if there are differences in many other areas, why the presumption of simplistic equality in gaming, and then based on this presumption, the accusation of prejudice?

Yes there are many moderates in gamergate, but again, even if there are anti feminists or anti sjw's in gamergate, so what? Basically none of these people are against people having the freedom to make games they don't personally want to play. This is an issue between those who believe in the free market, and those who don't. This is an issue between those who are against censorship, and those who are. Gamers don't care what you buy, its no skin off their backs. While sjw's and feminists get games removed off shelves, or taken off steam, and then they work to silence all discussion on the matter as well, going as far as to flag people into suspension on twitter or youtube. Their mentality is of control and censorship while gamergate is about freedom. These are the demonstrated differences between the two groups. So it doesn't matter what each subgroups motivations are in gamergate, there is no support for censorship, there is no stopping "women" or whoever from making and enjoying the games they want, they simply do not want the agenda being forced down their throats while people like Anita just run the Jack Thompson playbook while hiding behind the shield of feminism.
Gamergate is mostly libertarian

If anything women are over represented in male entertainment. And also, you do not see female entertainment work under the same obligation to cater to a phantom male demographic.

And as for who advances women's interests, people against gamergate do not advance women's interests in gaming. Far from it. People like Sarkeesian promote victimhood and powerlessness for women. They concoct a narrative of pervasive "misogyny" everywhere, whether it be in the gaming population or the development community to scare women off from the hobby or the profession. None of these anti gamergate women are role models of any sort. They create a toxic atmosphere to justify their own existence.

Anita's idea for a game?
Anita Sarkeesian's Game Idea: Good or Bad?
Asalieri2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYv73OeoGI
Unimaginative and cliched. Brianna's game? A joke, a vanity project funded by wealthy parents. Zoe Quinns? A word document. The only people doing damage to the cause of equality are the sjw's and feminists like Anita. They don't have viable ideas in a free marketplace, and so they have to instead try to impose their ideas on others work. There is no equivalence here, if some gamergate people are against feminism or sjw's, it doesn't mean they are against egalitarianism, in fact most are egalitarians. If being an anti-feminist means you are against egalitarianism, then that would also mean that since Islam is the "religion of peace", if you are not a muslim you are against peace, and are for war.

Again, if women like Anita will attack a game like Dying Light where the author took great lengths to involve women in the development of the story and the character.
Feminist Frequency vs. Heroic Women in Video Games - Dying Light
yutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzU3RnYe3fE
http://danjolley.com/post/104181213824/a-few-words-about-dying-light
All she does is make it dangerous for anyone to even bother making a female character as it becomes a minefield. People like Anita make it their job to make gender relations a minefield because it justifies their existence, and so they are dangerous to any idea of equality.

Boycotting Towerfall, Evolve/MKX Microtransactions, EA Games Are Too Hard? Gamer Addiction + More!
EventStatus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owc6AxIbbJ0

Find out how feminists make so much cash on patreon
veemonro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGIaMPQOkQM

http://www.pocketfullofliberty.com/the-silencing-of-gamergate/

Liz's final message on gamergate

https://feelsandreals.wordpress.com/2015/02/11/coming-clean/

 

[Nebor]

How ridiculous that that Wu chick is trolling for more threats & attacks on her "game's" steam forum.

 

[norseamd]

Look most games are not full of prejudicism but there is still some. That is not what I meant however. I more meant that the players themselves have some prejudicism problems especially in the chat and forum interactions which tend to be volatile as shit for everyone.

 

[TechBoyJK]

How ridiculous that that Wu chick is trolling for more threats & attacks on her "game's" steam forum.

She has mental problems. Her entire social media presence is basically

"hey, did you know I'm a victim? buy my game to prove you aren't a misogynist!"

 

[rudeguy]

She has mental problems. Her entire social media presence is basically

"hey, did you know I'm a victim? buy my game to prove you aren't a misogynist!"

Al Sharpton has taught her well.

 

[norseamd]

The fact that you even think about it already puts you above most of the political fray. So maybe sorry if I was quick to slam you but the fact is the whole situation is very complicated. There is still prejudice in the games industry and I think we could do more towards producing games for women along with the traditional games we make for men. However the issue is not actually whether or not there are equality problems in the games industry but that many of the developers, publishers, journalists, and companies who are shouting about it are basically only doing this because of politics. Not to say that many of those who are involved in gamergate are any different but there does seem to be many more moderate players who are supporting gamergate. But there are probably many prejudiced players who are using this fact to their advantage in advancing their interests in winning the political war with the "feminist" crowd that seems to more or less do far more destruction to the cause of equality then they do as far as actually promoting egalitarianism or progression in society or at least just the games industry.

This was applying to the feminists sorry for my bad english paper writing shit.

 

[CitizenKain]

She has mental problems. Her entire social media presence is basically

"hey, did you know I'm a victim? buy my game to prove you aren't a misogynist!"

Well being threatened by the subhuman filth that makes up the gamergate crowd will do that to people.

Hopefully that crazy guy who was threatening her recently will get checked into a mental hospital before he hurts someone.

 

[Nebor]

Well being threatened by the subhuman filth that makes up the gamergate crowd will do that to people.

Hopefully that crazy guy who was threatening her recently will get checked into a mental hospital before he hurts someone.

I think the percentage of people threatening others is pretty much the same on the GG side and the SJW side. The percentage of people following through is exactly the same, since they're all a bunch of internet tough guys.

 

[BoberFett]

Well being threatened by the subhuman filth that makes up the gamergate crowd will do that to people.

Hopefully that crazy guy who was threatening her recently will get checked into a mental hospital before he hurts someone.

LOL, that's rich coming from someone who's entire online persona is based on hate.

Seriously, go read your own post history sometime. If anyone is subhuman filth, it's you.

 

[rudeguy]

LOL, that's rich coming from someone who's entire online persona is based on hate.

Seriously, go read your own post history sometime. If anyone is subhuman filth, it's you.

I love you.

 

[blankslate]

Allegedly a Federal Judge was doxxed on Baphomet which some people have linked to 8chan which supposedly is the hangout place for some gaters...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...h-net-baphomet-8chan-Admin-Destroys-Evidence#

given the source link this should be taken with a grain of salt but the article does have links to supporting images... we'll have to see if this is confirmed by any traditional news source like the Associated Press or Reuters.

We already knew that the FBI was looking into GG, now a federal judge's ssn is alledgedly made public along with some LEOs' SSNs?

*If* this did actually happen; could end up being bad for the person who released that information.


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[BoberFett]

Allegedly a Federal Judge was doxxed on Baphomet which some people have linked to 8chan which supposedly is the hangout place for some gaters...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...h-net-baphomet-8chan-Admin-Destroys-Evidence#

given the source link this should be taken with a grain of salt but the article does have links to supporting images... we'll have to see if this is confirmed by any traditional news source like the Associated Press or Reuters.

We already knew that the FBI was looking into GG, now a federal judge's ssn is alledgedly made public along with some LEOs' SSNs?

*If* this did actually happen; could end up being bad for the person who released that information.


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Throw the book at scumbags who make online threats or post private information. Gamergaters won't shed a tear, because most of them are rational people who are simply tired of being smeared by shit-eating hipsters.

Of course you have to realize that it's not just gamergaters who would end up behind bars if that happened, some feminists and their white knights would end up in the clink too...

 

[waggy]

Throw the book at scumbags who make online threats or post private information. Gamergaters won't shed a tear, because most of them are rational people who are simply tired of being smeared by shit-eating hipsters.

Of course you have to realize that it's not just gamergaters who would end up behind bars if that happened, some feminists and their white knights would end up in the clink too...

exactly.

 

[blankslate]

Of course you have to realize that it's not just gamergaters who would end up behind bars if that happened, some feminists and their white knights would end up in the clink too...

As far as who should be brought up on charges in regards to giving away other peoples' private info because they have an opinion on gg and they're sort of well known?

I think it should be....

Then maybe we could have a reasonable conversation about the "issue".... I use quotes because as much as some people who play video games act like this "issue" is the societal concern of our times there are much more pressing things that I'm sure anyone who frequents P&N can cite. well maybe except 0roo0roo

Quit seeming to imply that I only want certain people who are creating a shit-sandwich out of this to face consequences... and I might stop thinking that you are projecting.



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[werepossum]

Throw the book at scumbags who make online threats or post private information. Gamergaters won't shed a tear, because most of them are rational people who are simply tired of being smeared by shit-eating hipsters.

Of course you have to realize that it's not just gamergaters who would end up behind bars if that happened, some feminists and their white knights would end up in the clink too...

Agreed.

 

[irishScott]

If gamergaters are tired of being smeared perhaps they should start a movement more concrete than a twitter hashtag. Hell with all the man hours put into online posts they could have built a serious lobbying firm or something. Of course that would require organization, administration, and most importantly a coherent platform, which is what Gamergaters lack above all else.

The same goes for the anti-gamergaters. The whole issue is just one big internet slap fight that does nothing but spin incoherently out of control wherever it goes; with the result that both sides have the reputation of that evangelical sidewalk preacher who shouts random obnoxious fire and brimstone at you as you try and get coffee in the morning.

 

[Skel]

You are making assertions based on presumptions which have been popularized by people who have no concern for the truth.

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Yes there are many moderates in gamergate, but again, even if there are anti feminists or anti sjw's in gamergate, so what? Basically none of these people are against people having the freedom to make games they don't personally want to play. This is an issue between those who believe in the free market, and those who don't. This is an issue between those who are against censorship, and those who are. Gamers don't care what you buy, its no skin off their backs. While sjw's and feminists get games removed off shelves, or taken off steam, and then they work to silence all discussion on the matter as well, going as far as to flag people into suspension on twitter or youtube. Their mentality is of control and censorship while gamergate is about freedom. These are the demonstrated differences between the two groups. So it doesn't matter what each subgroups motivations are in gamergate, there is no support for censorship, there is no stopping "women" or whoever from making and enjoying the games they want, they simply do not want the agenda being forced down their throats while people like Anita just run the Jack Thompson playbook while hiding behind the shield of feminism.
Gamergate is mostly libertarian

<snip>

I'm a bit confused.. what games did feminists/sjw get removed from "shelves, or taken off steam, and then they work to silence all discussion on the matter as well, going as far as to flag people into suspension on twitter or youtube." I hadn't heard any games being removed because of feminists.

Also I thought the party line was Gamergate was about "Ethics in game journalism", did that switch over to " gamergate is about freedom. "??

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I'm a bit confused.. what games did feminists/sjw get removed from "shelves, or taken off steam, and then they work to silence all discussion on the matter as well, going as far as to flag people into suspension on twitter or youtube." I hadn't heard any games being removed because of feminists.

Also I thought the party line was Gamergate was about "Ethics in game journalism", did that switch over to " gamergate is about freedom. "??

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kmart-australia-removing-grand-theft-auto-v-from-s/1100-6423966/

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kmart-australia-removing-grand-theft-auto-v-from-s/1100-6423966/

Australia bans games all the time for a variety of reasons. This is neither new or special.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia

Gamergate was never about 'ethics in game journalism', although I do admit that 'it's about ethics in game journalism' is a pretty fun punch line to add on to things now, so they did that at least.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Australia bans games all the time for a variety of reasons. This is neither new or special.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia

Really surprised that you post something so disingenuous. :/

If you read the article, you'd see that GTA V was not banned by Australia, but rather banned from 2 store brands (under one store management group). For Target specifically, the reason is:

due to feedback from consumers about the game's "depictions of violence against women."

GTA V continues to be sold at other retailers in Australia under the standard R18+ Rating. If you cannot acknowledge the clear difference between a game ban from a bureaucratic rating board, and a game ban from a a private store group disliking the feedback it was getting from a large number of people who wished to the game not be sold, I don't think there's an honest discussion to be had about it.

A private store, of course can do what it wants to. But the statement I was responding to was as follows:

I hadn't heard any games being removed because of feminists.

I simply provided a link showing that at least 1 game has been removed from shelves of multiple stores. Oh sure, one could play to pedantry and say that since Target nor Kmart had the gall to outright say what consumer groups were asking them to pull the game, that we can't be sure it was feminists causing the pressure, but when you have Target (of which Kmart belongs to the same store group) responding directly to the Change.org petition noting that it is removing the game, it's pretty hard to ignore. And sure, you can also say that the Change.org author, not it's many petitioners are feminists, since they in no way state they are, but are instead against the depiction of violence against women in video games. It's certainly a case you could make, but a rather pedantic one.

That's all I really have to say on the matter. Skel stated he'd never seen one. I provided an example

 

[werepossum]

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kmart-australia-removing-grand-theft-auto-v-from-s/1100-6423966/

An actual factual counterpoint? In P&N? In THIS thread? We're gonna need a minute to adjust.

I agree that when attacked by racial feminism, gamers need to fight back. But in this case, seems like the fight is doing more harm to the cause than the attack against which it's nominally defending.

On the other hand, I have seen what is probably the most stupid person in the world and learned there exists an 8chan, which I assume is twice as bad as 4chan. So it's not all been a waste.

 

[0roo0roo]

I'm a bit confused.. what games did feminists/sjw get removed from "shelves, or taken off steam, and then they work to silence all discussion on the matter as well, going as far as to flag people into suspension on twitter or youtube." I hadn't heard any games being removed because of feminists.

Also I thought the party line was Gamergate was about "Ethics in game journalism", did that switch over to " gamergate is about freedom. "??

I see the thecoolnessrune already posted gta V in australia. They made up a lie to justify that petition, truth doesn't matter for these people, its why they are so dangerous.

Another example is the controversial game Hatred, they tried to get it removed from steam greenlight. Its not just these women, they stand in league with the corrupted sjw press which support any such campaign to suppress content they do not like. A sjw at valve did remove it for a while, it took the intervention of Gabe Newell to get it back on greenlight.
And when it won by a dominating margin

All the corrupted outlets did not cover the win. It was a deafening silence.

The goal of these people is to control, whether they directly censor or indirectly through self censorship, that is their goal. And as we've seen with dying light...nothing is actually good enough for these people.

Feminist Frequency vs. Heroic Women in Video Games - Dying Light
yutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzU3RnYe3fE
http://danjolley.com/post/104181213824/a-few-words-about-dying-light

Anyways some reactions to the SVU episode are up

#GamerGate On, NYPD! -- Indie-Fensible (Law & Order: SVU "Intimidation Game")
ShortFatOtaku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNSPqlzCGFU


Law and Order SVU vs Gamergate
AlphaOmegaSin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGmmYQ7dpGo

Breaking Down SVU Intimidation Game Episode #GameOnSVU #GamerGate

#IntimidationGame
SyrianGirlpartisan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOXyuRYky6o
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=617023045094314

SVU intimidation game complete analisys
veemonro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr-nZl5ZptQ

Law & Order VS #GamerGate
Chris Ray Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDiXcdNWoD8

Let's Discuss Law and Order: SVU's "GamerGate" Episode (Featuring

Law and Order: SVU - Intimidation Game - Frank First Impression
Frank Gamer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG0UTVCg04U

MundaneMatt)
ReviewTechUSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPJLbeUpj-U

Let's Play AC Unity Dead Kings and ramble about Law and Order SVU
Liana K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZLam5JOfo

How Wikipedia Uses False Information To Defame #GamerGate
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/02/how-wikipedia-uses-false-information-to-defame-gamergate/

 

[Exophase]

Allegedly a Federal Judge was doxxed on Baphomet which some people have linked to 8chan which supposedly is the hangout place for some gaters...

That's pretty broad as far as guilt by association goes.

8chan isn't some unified forum but a host for user created sub-forums that are almost completely independent from each other. It's like an image board version of reddit, but with even less global oversight. Reddit has plenty of feminist heavy and MRA heavy subreddits, for example - you wouldn't associate what people in one do with people in the other, would you?

From what I've heard people on /baphomet also routinely make fun of pro-GGers.

This should be pretty common knowledge, and I'm certain that the writer of the article you linked knows this. But she is a known biased agitator so it's not surprised that she'd distort the narrative to something more convenient for attacking her enemies.

 

[blankslate]

That's pretty broad as far as guilt by association goes.

blah blah blah didn't read what the person I replied to wrote....

given the source link this should be taken with a grain of salt but the article does have links to supporting images... we'll have to see if this is confirmed by any traditional news source like the Associated Press or Reuters.

Bolded this time so you can see that I stated skepticism is warranted until another source looks into it.

So far Ars Technica has done a story on it but other than that not much reporting.


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