#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

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Nebor

Lifer
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$13,000 a month is what a medium class stripper/exotic dancer pulls in by being objectified by men.

What's my point? I don't even know actually, what is your point?

I think you're dramatically overestimating how much a "medium class" stripper makes.

Isn't the point that she's claiming to be some pillar of feminism while using her femininity to exploit a bunch of suckers into being one-way sugar daddies?
 

Exophase

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Jonathon McIntosh is off his rocker and his tweets really don't do FemFreq's credibility any favors. I hope most of us can at least agree on that much.

Here's another beautiful tweet he made just recently:

"White Americas are more likely to believe Elvis is still alive than they are to believe racism is a significant problem. Think about that."

I don't know what his source for that is (if anything) but I am extremely confident that it's completely wrong. But I guess it's okay to make up things that make white Americans as a group look like morons.
 

momeNt

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I think you're dramatically overestimating how much a "medium class" stripper makes.

Isn't the point that she's claiming to be some pillar of feminism while using her femininity to exploit a bunch of suckers into being one-way sugar daddies?

I don't see how she's using her femininity to exploit suckers. Her request for money page clearly talks about how she is being distracted from creating video games and is suffering because of it.

How is she using her femininity in any of that?
 

Nebor

Lifer
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I don't see how she's using her femininity to exploit suckers. Her request for money page clearly talks about how she is being distracted from creating video games and is suffering because of it.

How is she using her femininity in any of that?

There are pictures of her blatantly and purposefully being a female on the donation page. Could it be any more obvious?
 

momeNt

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There are pictures of her blatantly and purposefully being a female on the donation page. Could it be any more obvious?

I think I see what's going on here. Just a general hatred of women on this thread due to some scorned men.

Fury has no wrath like a hell-scorned male.
 

fskimospy

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I have to say with every ongoing post the phrase "it's about ethics in gaming journalism" gets funnier.
 

Subyman

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I think I see what's going on here. Just a general hatred of women on this thread due to some scorned men.

Fury has no wrath like a hell-scorned male.

Not really. I defended the movement a bit at first because I like the thought of more perspectives in games, but holy shit the fems and their ilk have gone off a cliff. Both sides of this whole thing are completely nuts.

She is being paid to be a victim. Both sides are playing their parts. Some dopes send her hate mail, she posts it, and other dopes give her money (as if money eliminates the hate mail?) Everyone in the cycle is a moron.
 

momeNt

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I have to say with every ongoing post the phrase "it's about ethics in gaming journalism" gets funnier.

I'm almost positive that Valve user reviews, and word of mouth, drive sales a lot more than positive reviews of games. There may be bumps in sales based on a positive review, but ultimately the community that uses Steam vets the games.

I barely know anything about this, but I think that this started with a game getting launched on steam, Gaben's goal is to make steam a self-launching platform and completely gamer driven, because it appears he genuinely cares about the gaming experience. So how journalism and steam became such a big issue is really laughable.
 

0roo0roo

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Nightline went into full on media hysteria smear mode last night....I'm sure audience demographics at this point are on par with fox news, but meh....

http://theralphretort.com/anita-wu-tim-schafer-spread-discredited-trashon-abcs-nightline-01015015/


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Good @Nightline, Sweet #GamerGate
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXOhN2u5wtY

RE: What It Feels Like to Be a #GamerGate Target (Video Response)
MundaneMatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at-Z-wvFcDo



A Conversation with Damion Rayne of the Angry Joe Show Army
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wACz-IZpOY0

And of course washington post is fail...
http://i.imgur.com/xvl7gUD.png
Why they keep that liar Caitlin Dewey on staff I don't know...
on her past lies
http://mattforney.com/2014/05/28/is-caitlin-dewey-guilty-of-journalistic-fraud

But At What Cost? The Integrity of Intel and Selling Out to the Hate Mob
CodeNameCrono
http://www.***********************/...of-intel-and-selling-out-to-the-hate-mob.aspx
gameinformer
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0roo0roo

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I think I see what's going on here. Just a general hatred of women on this thread due to some scorned men.

Fury has no wrath like a hell-scorned male.

I'd love to see you apply the logic on the women involved in gamergate. They are scorned by women? Is that it? Or should we completely flip it around and apply it to feminists who have gone out of their way to attack a vast group of people, attacking a hobby they themselves do not even have any genuine interest in because they were "scorned by men"?

Btw the actual male equivalent for the Sarkeesians of the world would be if "scorned men" decided to demand that 50 Shades of Grey be rewritten to fit their taste, else they'd label it as misandric. Their actual total disinterest in that book would simply be not allowed in any discussion.

The idea that gamers are losers is not a new one, in fact that's what the hobby had to deal with for decades. So when these women come in claiming they have been kept out of some prestigious club, its simply absurd from the get go. And then they like you went straight into denigrating that group even more, and gamers finally got tired of it.

Good job on resorting to shaming tactics though. That's all the anti GG side has, the threat narrative, and shaming tactics.

Btw these "victims" do not need you to defend them, beyond her 13k patreon funded by the patriarchy..
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Like the rest of the lot, she is a trust fund child.

This is a very "special" group of people...


Not really. I defended the movement a bit at first because I like the thought of more perspectives in games, but holy shit the fems and their ilk have gone off a cliff. Both sides of this whole thing are completely nuts.

She is being paid to be a victim. Both sides are playing their parts. Some dopes send her hate mail, she posts it, and other dopes give her money (as if money eliminates the hate mail?) Everyone in the cycle is a moron.

There is no equivalence. Anti GG just lies, dishonesty is what they rely on. Brianna Wu is a professional troll, and the fact that the media lets it slide says something about what's wrong.
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There aren't really "sides", there is a fringe elite in media, and there are the rest of the people, the spectrum of people pissed off about this crosses political and ideological boundaries, because gamers were always a diverse audience, but they got a wake up call when these people decided to lie to to their faces and smear them.

This is why things like Hatred get over whelming votes
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This is why these people never allow comments or ratings, Anita's still doing that, because she knows that her videos would have so many down votes it would shred her credibility even with the most biased mainstream media.

The dominance of the left in media leaves them without competition, so they are bound to become corrupt, creating their own little echo chamber, but the scale of the total loss of journalistic integrity is pretty shocking. And the fear of any who do check their sources to speak up kind of says it all about the current atmosphere in media, all they can do is report the threat narrative. The media is more scared of the sjw/feminist left than islamic fundamentalists, that's how screwed up things are now. They will print a mohammed cartoon, but dare criticize one of these poor dears? That's just too dangerous...
 
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CitizenKain

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The dominance of the left in media leaves them without competition, so they are bound to become corrupt, creating their own little echo chamber, but the scale of the total loss of journalistic integrity is pretty shocking. And the fear of any who do check their sources to speak up kind of says it all about the current atmosphere in media, all they can do is report the threat narrative. The media is more scared of the sjw/feminist left than islamic fundamentalists, that's how screwed up things are now. They will print a mohammed cartoon, but dare criticize one of these poor dears? That's just too dangerous...

Poor little idiot rightwing manchild. Too stupid to understand what adults are talking about, forever stuck at the kids table of life.
 

momeNt

Diamond Member
Jan 26, 2011
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I'd love to see you apply the logic on the women involved in gamergate. They are scorned by women? Is that it? Or should we completely flip it around and apply it to feminists who have gone out of their way to attack a vast group of people, attacking a hobby they themselves do not even have any genuine interest in because they were "scorned by men"?

Btw the actual male equivalent for the Sarkeesians of the world would be if "scorned men" decided to demand that 50 Shades of Grey be rewritten to fit their taste, else they'd label it as misandric. Their actual total disinterest in that book would simply be not allowed in any discussion.

The idea that gamers are losers is not a new one, in fact that's what the hobby had to deal with for decades. So when these women come in claiming they have been kept out of some prestigious club, its simply absurd from the get go. And then they like you went straight into denigrating that group even more, and gamers finally got tired of it.

Good job on resorting to shaming tactics though. That's all the anti GG side has, the threat narrative, and shaming tactics.

Btw these "victims" do not need you to defend them, beyond her 13k patreon funded by the patriarchy..
aTyfM5E.jpg

Like the rest of the lot, she is a trust fund child.

This is a very "special" group of people...




There is no equivalence. Anti GG just lies, dishonesty is what they rely on. Brianna Wu is a professional troll, and the fact that the media lets it slide says something about what's wrong.
OgPnsyz.jpg

52f.jpg


There aren't really "sides", there is a fringe elite in media, and there are the rest of the people, the spectrum of people pissed off about this crosses political and ideological boundaries, because gamers were always a diverse audience, but they got a wake up call when these people decided to lie to to their faces and smear them.

This is why things like Hatred get over whelming votes
T3IaGQM.jpg


This is why these people never allow comments or ratings, Anita's still doing that, because she knows that her videos would have so many down votes it would shred her credibility even with the most biased mainstream media.

The dominance of the left in media leaves them without competition, so they are bound to become corrupt, creating their own little echo chamber, but the scale of the total loss of journalistic integrity is pretty shocking. And the fear of any who do check their sources to speak up kind of says it all about the current atmosphere in media, all they can do is report the threat narrative. The media is more scared of the sjw/feminist left than islamic fundamentalists, that's how screwed up things are now. They will print a mohammed cartoon, but dare criticize one of these poor dears? That's just too dangerous...

My comment about scorned men was specific to the thread. I don't know anything about gamergate. My opinion of it is that it makes no sense. In the aggregate, the market will decide the direction of video games. Yes there will be a woman that raises $13,000 to make a shitty game, and media coverage may help a particular game get through. In the end though when the dollars and cents get counted, that is what really matters and decides the direction of just about everything.
 

Blue_Max

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Poor little idiot rightwing manchild. Too stupid to understand what adults are talking about, forever stuck at the kids table of life.

Again, never deviating from the formula of "If you can't refute the facts, attack him personally. NEVER miss a chance to hurl an insult."
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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ABC Nightlines hit piece caused a shit storm of course....

Which of course led to them deleting comments with no regard for anything other than covering their ass.

On youtube, they even deleted Total Biscuits comments even after he got almost 3k worth of up votes...
https://imgur.com/gallery/iX00h/new
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https://archive.today/https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=gAyncf3DBUQ
http://vidauniversoetudo.tumblr.com/post/108257320844/actuallyaboutethics-tonight-on-abcs

Do you Even Ethics? #GamerGate vs Nightline Edition
NEET LIFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAetdlStjo

ABC is outright censoring women - need help
veemonro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McPO4RQxy4U

GamerGate 16.0
TheAndredal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NmF05EtuhM


Closing on 12k downvotes as I post this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyncf3DBUQ
 
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fskimospy

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Nobody cares about downvotes, you realize. Right? Like seriously, normal people don't care.

Always good to see the ever-widening conspiracy against gamers though. At what point do you stop and reflect that maybe the problem is with you?
 

Blue_Max

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Jul 7, 2011
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Nobody cares about downvotes, you realize. Right? Like seriously, normal people don't care.

Always good to see the ever-widening conspiracy against gamers though. At what point do you stop and reflect that maybe the problem is with you?

Said the one making the accusations and pointing the crooked finger of shame.
 

QuantumPion

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Gamers are the first group to really stand up to the inexorable push of cultural marxism and it is driving the leftists apeshit. They have no idea what to do but dial up the rhetoric to 11. Hilarity ensues.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
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Gamers are the first group to really stand up to the inexorable push of cultural marxism and it is driving the leftists apeshit. They have no idea what to do but dial up the rhetoric to 11. Hilarity ensues.

Really? I was just going to say that this is starting to look a lot like a Silver Prime thread, except here the implausible conspiracy is centered on "ethics in gaming journalism" instead of lions.

Maybe the whole world isn't out to make you all look like assholes; maybe that's just who you are. I'm an asshole too, I accept it and don't blame others for what I choose to be. Granted, I don't choose to be a xenophobe, but I think the core idea still applies.
 

QuantumPion

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Maybe the whole world isn't out to make you all look like assholes; maybe that's just who you are. I'm an asshole too, I accept it and don't blame others for what I choose to be.

No, sorry, it's just you. It's great that you admit you are an asshole, admitting you have a problem is the first step! You just need to get over the hurdle of rationalizing your behavior and deluding yourself into thinking it is normal and acceptable.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
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No, sorry, it's just you. It's great that you admit you are an asshole, admitting you have a problem is the first step! You just need to get over the hurdle of rationalizing your behavior and deluding yourself into thinking it is normal and acceptable.

Oh nooooes, you've got me; I am defeated... Fuck you, I do what I want.

See, that's all you have to do. No need to invent conspiracies, no walls of marginally coherent text and diagrams, and no accusations or even blame-shifting - it's almost too easy.

I realize none of that matters to you now, since your commitment to your position goes beyond reason, but it makes me feel better about myself to tell you anyway. See, I'm engaging in a community service not because I think I should or because it's easy, but because I want to. An empowered asshole can be a force for good, you should try it some time.
 

QuantumPion

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The only one inventing and believing in crazy conspiracy theories here is you.

Which seems like a more likely scenario?

a) A tight-knit group of journalists with the same political leanings whom communicate through a private journolist collaborate to further their shared political goals and cover their asses from criticism, or

b) tens of millions of diverse people, including many women, whose only common factor is that they are fans of video games, have an agenda to oppress all women.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyncf3DBUQ
and the comment "Lies in the first 5 seconds..."

Thing is, the Grand Theft Auto series has all that violence in spades, does it not? Though I expect it does not limit that "content" based on gender.

I viewed Sarkeesian's video on Kotaku when it first came up. It was an interesting perspective and though I remember not agreeing with the entirety of the examples given, I suspect much of the answer to the "lies in the first 5 seconds" would be found there. Particularly since the ABC video focuses on her. Anyone wanting to argue the merits of the ABC video should first revisit her original discussion.

BTW, when did the topic jump from journalist's hookups with developers and bring Sarkeesian into this? That's likely where it jumped the shark and became damaged goods. #gamergate needs to be laid to rest, while more pointed and intelligent discussions are brought up on various subjects.

An online slander contest is harmful and useless for all involved. No one should be encouraging it to continue...
 

Ruptga

Lifer
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The only one inventing and believing in crazy conspiracy theories here is you.

Which seems like a more likely scenario?

a) A tight-knit group of journalists with the same political leanings whom communicate through a private journolist collaborate to further their shared political goals and cover their asses from criticism, or

b) tens of millions of diverse people, including many women, whose only common factor is that they are fans of video games, have an agenda to oppress all women.

C) Xenophobes collectively invent a conspiracy in order to rationalize their fear, existing biases, and powerlessness. They rely on false dichotomies and weasel words to appeal to others that share their feelings. There is no central control here, just a bunch of like-minded people that are naturally coming to similar conclusions (a lot like the Tea Party, for example).

I'll take C. Your "tight-knit group of journalists" would have to be the Illuminati, or else they would only be able to influence one or two "niche" outlets like the Huffington Post. Your "tens of millions of diverse people" are diverse in the sense that they come from a variety of backgrounds across the entire nation, but they are almost all male and they are generally also poor, conservative, beta, and consider themselves to be the old guard of gaming.

The whole point of your "movement" is to exclude people you don't like, namely relative newcomers and those you call feminists and liberals. It's a reaction against much broader social movements that have nothing to do with gaming. Only now that you feel those movements are starting to affect gaming has your mistrust of those movements has turned to open hatred. Now it's all about protecting your sanctuary, the basement, and keeping it just as racist and sexist as it has ever been.
 
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CitizenKain

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Gamers are the first group to really stand up to the inexorable push of cultural marxism and it is driving the leftists apeshit. They have no idea what to do but dial up the rhetoric to 11. Hilarity ensues.

Hahaha, cultural marxism. Oh the things you rightwingers will invent to justify your stupidity.

You somehow believe there is a Illuminati of gaming journalists, how you believe that and still manage to put your shoes on without help is amazing. Unless they are velcro or something.