Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[CZroe]

Technically being his and and willing to go conquer Winterfel for him are two different things.

I could really see things in the North playing out a hundred different ways. Which is probably right where GRRM wants us right now.

Not for him, but for his dead wife. Lady Stark was her sister, after all.

 

[smackababy]

Technically being his and and willing to go conquer Winterfel for him are two different things.

I could really see things in the North playing out a hundred different ways. Which is probably right where GRRM wants us right now.

Not conquering, liberating their family and "rulers", the Starks.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Oh yeah--I see what you did there. I SEE IT!

but seriously, no one else is as intrigued as I am by the existence of a cock merchant?

really?

is there a tit merchant?

i've been selling the same one for decades now. business is bad

as for han and greedo and the sand snakes:
https://youtu.be/Xezn-0xottw?t=214

https://youtu.be/lm8FQKS4EnM?t=90

pretty sure they were saying that to become no one you must be able to convince people that you are anyone. There may also be something like faking their death to truly move on and become "no one" (faceless).

ok, sounds reasonable

When his wife died suspiciously soon after their marriage, they became his.

yeah, but it's just so flimsy.
"hold on. why is he in charge of our army?"
"because he cam out of nowhere and married the widow just before her mysterious death."
"alright!"

 

[Exophase]

Not for him, but for his dead wife. Lady Stark was her sister, after all.

I doubt the people of the Vale have any particular love or honor for her either. She was a crazy, horrible person and everyone knew it, and now they resent how much of a mess she left the heir house head in.

House Arryn was allied to both House Stark and House Baratheon during the rebellion. It's hard to believe they'd support the former over the latter now that it's reduced to a shell of its former self with all the major house leaders dead. So they'd have to believe that they're better supporting House Baratheon by supporting the crown over Stannis, meaning they'd reject Stannis's claims of Tommen's illegitimacy and his claim to the thrown.

 

[smackababy]

I doubt the people of the Vale have any particular love or honor for her either. She was a crazy, horrible person and everyone knew it, and now they resent how much of a mess she left the heir house head in.

House Arryn was allied to both House Stark and House Baratheon during the rebellion. It's hard to believe they'd support the former over the latter now that it's reduced to a shell of its former self with all the major house leaders dead. So they'd have to believe that they're better supporting House Baratheon by supporting the crown over Stannis, meaning they'd reject Stannis's claims of Tommen's illegitimacy and his claim to the thrown.

Ned Stark was raised in the Vale as a ward of Jon Arryn, same as Robert Baratheon. Cat Stark was the daughter of Jon. If you think the Vale wouldn't march on the people responsible for killing Cat and her children when they were brought in as guests? Plus, help dethrone the people "responsible" for killing their beloved lord (the Lannisters)?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Ned Stark was raised in the Vale as a ward of Jon Arryn, same as Robert Baratheon. Cat Stark was the daughter of Jon. If you think the Vale wouldn't march on the people responsible for killing Cat and her children when they were brought in as guests? Plus, help dethrone the people "responsible" for killing their beloved lord (the Lannisters)?

catlain (or caitlyn, or whatever) was a tully from the riverlands. although they have expressed hatred for the lannisters for the death of jon arryn, they have an isolationist mindset. baelish has convinced them to start kicking some ass again.

 

[Childs]

Anyone else think that the palace fight was terribly choreographed? I don't usually pay attention to these things in detail but last night the fight felt really sluggish and awkward. I'm not sure exactly why.

Yeah, it was really bad. It should have been better than Oberyn vs Mountain considering who was involved. This was the first time in a long time where you see a fight scene in the show and you think bush league. Even that old man who died and episode or two ago had the aura of knowing how to use a sword.

That being said, I dig the short haired double dagger snake. haha I know, she's probably the worst actress of the three, but shes really cute.

 

[JEDI]

what was littlefinger's deal with Bolton?

interesting that the Faceless man said Arya was lying that she hated the Hound.
if so, then why did she leave him to die a slow death?

so arya got the girl to drink her death.
What about her dad? did the dad bring her there to die? if not, then..?

was hoping for a Sansa nude scene. She's 18 in real life, right?

and wtf King Tomlin?
some dude orders your wife, the queen, to be arrested.
he should be pissed in at least the dude assumed he had that authority. that alone should have gotten him killed.

also, wtf the king only has 2 guards yet there's a dozen zealots in the room?
what idiot is at the head of the King's security detail?

thank god no Dany. her marriage proposal plotline is from left field and is stupid.

 

[pauldun170]

I like the parallel between Sansa and Daenerys.
Both start off as innocent idealistic daughters of powerful men.
Both go through similar emotional (Doucheking and mom and Douchebro and witch lady) and physical brutality (Drogo and Ramsay).
Daenerys bro used her for a powerplay.
Littlefinger is using Sansa for a powerplay.
Both believe they are the last or close to it.

Both are being placed in a position where they are going to be the top cheese. Daenerys in the south. Sansa in the North.
Daenerys has council from an experienced older dude.
Sansa has learned plenty under Littlefinger.
With Ramsay now in the mix, Sansa is going to hit the rock bottom she needs to be a powerful figure.

 

[Exophase]

Ned Stark was raised in the Vale as a ward of Jon Arryn, same as Robert Baratheon. Cat Stark was the daughter of Jon. If you think the Vale wouldn't march on the people responsible for killing Cat and her children when they were brought in as guests? Plus, help dethrone the people "responsible" for killing their beloved lord (the Lannisters)?

Catelyn Stark was daughter of Hoster Tully, not Jon Arryn. Jon Arryn married Cat's sister Lysa, if what you're saying was true he would have been marrying his own daughter...

If they had so much desire to fight for Ned Stark's honor they would have joined one of the factions fighting the crown (who executed him) in the War of the Five Kings instead of staying neutral. If they care about defending the honor of people Jon Arryn mentored then they'd probably support Stannis like all of Robert's other closest allies. That is, unless they still think Cersei's kids are Robert's.

Littlefinger's plan wouldn't be helping dethrone the Lannisters at all either, it's the exact opposite, he wants to overthrow both Stannis (obvious enemy to the crown) and Roose Bolton (whom Cersei now views as a traitor for marrying Ramsay to Sansa whom she sees as an accomplice to Joffrey's murder). The entire point of Littlefinger's offer is that he'd be doing it in service of the crown which is where most of the Lannister power remains.

 

[Exophase]

what was littlefinger's deal with Bolton?

A general alliance between their house and House Arryn I guess?

interesting that the Faceless man said Arya was lying that she hated the Hound.
if so, then why did she leave him to die a slow death?

Maybe she couldn't stomach killing someone she had grown attached to, even if she didn't realize she had grown attached to him. Maybe she rationalized this as punishing him.

Arya has killed people who (IMO anyway) wronged her worse than Sandor did and she didn't try to torture them or resent the opportunity to.

so arya got the girl to drink her death.
What about her dad? did the dad bring her there to die? if not, then..?

He brought her there to be killed. He said that he tried everything to heal her and just wants her suffering to end now. I'm sure the people of Bravos know what this place is for, seeing as how there must have been at least hundreds of people who went there and didn't come back.

was hoping for a Sansa nude scene. She's 18 in real life, right?

lolz, I doubt that'll happen The character being underage didn't stop them in Dany's case but this would probably weird people out too much since she was pretty young when the show started. That and not a lot of the major characters are doing nude scenes anymore anyway, it's mostly limited to the women (afaik largely porn actresses) they get to play as prostitutes for one scene.

and wtf King Tomlin?
some dude orders your wife, the queen, to be arrested.
he should be pissed in at least the dude assumed he had that authority. that alone should have gotten him killed.

He must have no faith whatsoever in his authority. It's pretty sad.

 

[techs]

Assuming Baelish does not intend on killing Sansa I can only assume he knows Stannis is going for Winterfell. By waiting for Stannis and Bolton to wear themselves out I think Baelish figures he can then just walk in and take over, with Sansa's support.

Once Baelish and Sansa are in charge in Winterfell what can Cersei do? She already is in conflict with Dorne, owes the bankers a bundle and has a figurehead in Tommen who can neither lead nor inspire loyalty.

Cersei is really falling into an untenable position. Even her religious "support" is extremely thin and is contingent on her continued complete support.

I have a sneaking opinion that once all the major players wind up at Winterfell, Bolton, Baelish and Stannis that the winter will come and the white walkers will show up.

 

[Wingznut]

If they had so much desire to fight for Ned Stark's honor they would have joined one of the factions fighting the crown (who executed him) in the War of the Five Kings instead of staying neutral. If they care about defending the honor of people Jon Arryn mentored then they'd probably support Stannis like all of Robert's other closest allies. That is, unless they still think Cersei's kids are Robert's.

That neglect to participate in the War of the Five Kings was more Lysa's decision than the collective, right? When Catlain was leaving to visit her sister, she seemed confident that the Vale would fight by their side, until she found out just how batty her sister became.

 

[JEDI]

I have a sneaking opinion that once all the major players wind up at Winterfell, Bolton, Baelish and Stannis that the winter will come and the white walkers will show up.

I thought Stannis took his army to the Wall to fight the White Walkers.
I was puzzled as to why he's now moving the army towards Winterfell b4 fighting them?

he could have just went straight for Winterfell instead of going to the Wall and turning back around.

and sir friendzone beat Jamie lannister in a jousting tourney?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

The wars that inspired Game of Thrones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjO55pKuBo4

 

[Xonim]

I thought Stannis took his army to the Wall to fight the White Walkers.
I was puzzled as to why he's now moving the army towards Winterfell b4 fighting them?

he could have just went straight for Winterfell instead of going to the Wall and turning back around.

The sequence of events is out of order since Stannis decided to leave first, but remember that Jon is trying to get the wildlings to come to the wall and fight the white walkers. I guess if they agreed first and then Stannis made his decision to move on Winterfell, that would make more sense there.

But really, Stannis just wants the throne. Don't think he cares much about the walkers right now.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I saw the most recent episode last night and really hate what they've done to Sansa.

 

[Kev]

I've been noticing scenes in almost every episode where the FPS dips dramatically. At first I thought it was HBO Go acting funny but now I think it's some amateur editor who doesn't realize that you can't just play with the frame rate for no reason. That may explain the horrible editing in the fight scenes.

HBO go is a giant pile of shit, especially on web browsers.

 

[manimal]

does buggering count as consummating a marriage GRM land?

I mean she could still be a Virg

 

[manimal]

The sequence of events is out of order since Stannis decided to leave first, but remember that Jon is trying to get the wildlings to come to the wall and fight the white walkers. I guess if they agreed first and then Stannis made his decision to move on Winterfell, that would make more sense there.

But really, Stannis just wants the throne. Don't think he cares much about the walkers right now.

tactically Stannis knows that he cant fight a war on two fronts. The wall must be stabilized and manned before the walkers come. That was Stannis's first goal since the Red witch told him it was more important than the throne. Re watch that scene.


Stannis is also a shrewd man and seeing the opportunity to ride from the north and liberate southwards he would gain men and supplies as well as the tactical advantage. Stannis is the greatest military mind alive right now as Ned Mentions and the falling slow is a portend of things to come. Even Stannis says Winter is coming when talking to the onion knight about attacking Winterfell.

Stannis knows full well with the Wildlings now essentially as his rear guard he can advance south and take Winterfell. Stannis is above all things a Honorable man-at least in his warped mind- and we all know he feels responsible for the fates of the Starks. If Ned hadnt supported him he would be alive today and the misery of his family culminating to losing their ancestral home is too much for Stannis to bear and wear honorably.

I could see there being a detente with the Boltons AFTER they lose winterfell as they have a common enemy in the white walkers. I cant see Starks not being in control of Winterfell before the white walker war.

I dont see how they could go another end of the season without bringing in a major advance to the story when it comes to the walker threat.

 

[CZroe]

HBO go is a giant pile of shit, especially on web browsers.

This was on an Apple TV and it was very clearly the editing. For example, when Cersei talks to Petyr Baelish, it cuts back and forth between their faces. Cersei's dialog is not in sync with her lips and Petyr's is, so it's editing. The lower FPS was obvious in the leaves behind Tyrion and Ser Davos in the episode before that. I first noticed it in an out of focus background in the first or second episode (either Queen Drogo's plot or Arya outside the House of Black and White).

 

[Xonim]

This was on an Apple TV and it was very clearly the editing. For example, when Cersei talks to Petyr Baelish, it cuts back and forth between their faces. Cersei's dialog is not in sync with her lips and Petyr's is, so it's editing. The lower FPS was obvious in the leaves behind Tyrion and Ser Davos in the episode before that. I first noticed it in an out of focus background in the first or second episode (either Queen Drogo's plot or Arya outside the House of Black and White).

I didn't notice any of what you're talking about, and usually the dialog-out-of-sync thing drives me nuts. I run into it every once in a while as a result of one of my receivers.

 

[dainthomas]

and sir friendzone beat Jamie lannister in a jousting tourney?

It's from that medium which shall not be named.

 

[CZroe]

The Dorne king watching over the water gardens referred to Myrcella as a Lannister. Isn't her last name officially supposed to be Baratheon?

While it's pretty fucking clear she didn't want to be there, I think rape is a bit of a stretch. If you call that rape, I guess most arranged marriages in this setting would be rape because most ladies are forced to marry.

He's a sadist, not rapist.

edit: before I get skewered, yes, our definition of rape would easily classify Ramsay a rapist. In GoT setting however, it wouldn't.

Especially because their marriages are supposed to be consummated on the wedding night to be confirmed.

Thought I'd add the actual quote:
"They make a lovely couple. A Lannister and a Martell."
Dorne doesn't consider her a Baratheon?

I saw some commentary about that final scene today (I think it was from The Verge) where they went on and on about how much more rape and sexual violence is in the TV version. They implied that it wasn't rape in the book, much like the Cersei and Jamie scene. Well, as rapey as the final scene was, Sansa was voluntarily taking her clothes off as instructed when he ripped them off and started... consummating their marriage. Not sure it was rape here either.

 

[zinfamous]

HBO go is a giant pile of shit, especially on web browsers.

and through Chromecast as well. It is truly shitty, this HBOGO.

I wonder if HBONOW is somehow better?