zinfamous
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Anubis
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because he assumed those 2 weren't married, and he was born in Dorn. The Tower of Joy is in Dorn
brainhulk
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Homerboy
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Oh so being born in Dorn (not necessarily from Dornish parents) would qualify him to get the "Sand" name?
purbeast0
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The rift between Jamie and Cerci has been building up nicely this season, I am very curious to see where it goes.
Anubis
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nah he and beric are gonna be alive on the dies of the wall that's still standing
IMO those 2 chars wont go out randomly like that.
Anubis
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Homerboy
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purbeast0
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It sure looks that way, although it will be a bit obvious.
I was extremely happy to see that Cerci was completely lying to their faces about allying with them though. When Tyrion walked back and she followed and everything was all roses with everyone, I was like WTF this is so out of place for Cerci.
PricklyPete
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Agreed...I am very interested to see where Jamie's character goes redemption wise.
Anubis
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yea im curious as to what deal they came up with as the scene ended with the "your preggers" line
im gonna guess based on all the succession talk about danny not being able to have kids that tyrion spun it as your child will live and potentially rule (the fam lives on) but we all may die in the process or some BS. this kinda would explain why hes seemingly not happy about jon boning danny as he would take over if she died (assuming marrage) also they kinda telegraphed the fact that danny prob is not barren, and that kinda fucks everything up if true
im gonna guess based on all the succession talk about danny not being able to have kids that tyrion spun it as your child will live and potentially rule (the fam lives on) but we all may die in the process or some BS. this kinda would explain why hes seemingly not happy about jon boning danny as he would take over if she died (assuming marrage) also they kinda telegraphed the fact that danny prob is not barren, and that kinda fucks everything up if true
Homerboy
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Fire&Blood
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Ned had a hand in Jamie having the "a man without honor, a kingslayer" reputation. Another Stark (Bran) can restore it since he can "witness" real reason Jaime killed Aerys. Jaime meeting Bran could complete his redemption arc since he is going to Winterfell. Bran was pushed to his fall by Jaime's left hand, later, while warged into Hodor, Bran killed the man that cut Jaime's right hand off.
Though it does seem like a D&D thing to have Jaime get to Winterfell, make peace with Bran and have Jaime fully restored as hero with the audience (and the population of Westeros) only to have Arya kill him then and take his identity to go to Kings Landing and kill Cersei.
Jon/Aegon, Daenerys and the child they might be having is at least one too many to survive season 8. Arya is too good of an instrument for D&D to pass on, they won't resist using Arya to create a tragic moment. Probably Arya killing Daenerys or Arya dying while wearing a face of an antagonist, likely Cersei.
Picture this scene: Cersei poisons and kills Daenerys, Jon is in rage mode but Arya gets to her first, kills her and (insert stupid reason) takes Cersei's face, Jon kills Arya.
Though it does seem like a D&D thing to have Jaime get to Winterfell, make peace with Bran and have Jaime fully restored as hero with the audience (and the population of Westeros) only to have Arya kill him then and take his identity to go to Kings Landing and kill Cersei.
Jon/Aegon, Daenerys and the child they might be having is at least one too many to survive season 8. Arya is too good of an instrument for D&D to pass on, they won't resist using Arya to create a tragic moment. Probably Arya killing Daenerys or Arya dying while wearing a face of an antagonist, likely Cersei.
Picture this scene: Cersei poisons and kills Daenerys, Jon is in rage mode but Arya gets to her first, kills her and (insert stupid reason) takes Cersei's face, Jon kills Arya.
z1ggy
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I think Tyrion being the master player he is probably had some part of Cersei backing out of the deal behind everybody's back. Her comment about Jaime being the "stupidest Lannister" indicates to me that Tyrion and her hatched this idea. As much as Tyrion wants Danny to win, he still has this deep desire and love for his family to live on. Hence his devastation when Danny's army smoked Jaime's that one episode.
In Cersei's eyes, it's her (and her unborn now) against the world, and she knows she is probably going down. There's really no reason for her to fight alongside Danny and Jon, only for Danny to then turn around and take her out anyway. She'd rather see her enemies die at the hands of the dead (then probably herself) before she risks her army and position to help save the world.
Elganja
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I think there is a lot of merit to this... I think Tyrion is going to betray Danny. I'm very curious what he could have said to Cersei, but right now his is being painted in a bad light
zinfamous
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Yeah. Oberon's paramour, Elaria Sand (the mother of those Sand Snakes) was (is?) a Dornish bastard. Bastards take the name of the defining characteristic of their region, I guess. When Oberon and Elaria first arrived in KL back in season 4, there was a conversation about this between them and Tyrion, I believe, about her Sand name and how the Dornish don't attach the same stigma to bastards.
zinfamous
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Well, we already know that none of this really matters for Tyrion because we know that Cerci is already plotting against them. I'm sure this will only bother him for a week or so.
IndyColtsFan
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I think it is extremely likely that based on what we know, Tyrion is a Targaryen as well and that will be revealed at some point. So if he does betray her, he will be betraying two family members (her and Jon Snow).
z1ggy
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It only makes the story more complex, and the internal struggle of the characters even more so - Jon is loyal to House Stark (and now house Targ.) and Tyrion while currently loyal to house Targ, is also obviously still attached to house Lannister, too.
Characters will undoubtedly be forced to chose a side for good at one point or another.
Characters will undoubtedly be forced to chose a side for good at one point or another.
Homerboy
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Right - I get all that. I just didn't realize that the bastard name was taken from WHERE the bastard was born. I thought it had to do more with who the bastard was a child of and not where they were physically born. If that's the case it's safe to assume that Jon's fabricated backstory had him being born in The North to earn the name "Snow"
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