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Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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crownjules

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There was no plot. Shes not even from Westeros IIRC.

The only time a plot comes into play is later. And it has nothing to do with her mom.
In the books, she's from the Westerling family of the Crag. A small house that has always paid service to the Lannisters.
 

bhagan

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In the books she was from Westeros... And it was a slightly more believable story how he fell for her as well.
I think it was the grandmother who was not from Westeros, I believe she was a supposed witch

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Nevermind. It was the great grandmother, who was Maggy the Frog, who gave the prophecy to Cersei.
 

zetachi

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I believe there was a mention that the mother was secretly giving her daughter moon tea, but I'm not sure how reliable that information was. Anything in the books that is not explicitly seen in a POV chapter should be considered unreliable
Thought the moon tea was for Margery (she is supposedly a virgin) which plays into the conversation she has with Sansa about men alluding to the fact she is not. which comes into play later in the book series.

Wow and I complely missed this one

Queen Jeyne Westerling is the eldest daughter of Lord Gawen Westerling and Sybell Spicer. She was briefly married to King Robb Stark, around a year before he was killed. In the TV series her character is replaced by a character called Talisa of Volantis played by Oona Chaplin.

Talisa Maegyr is a healer from Volantis. She only appears in the TV series. She replaces Jeyne Westerling as the love interest and wife of King Robb Stark. She is played by Oona Chaplin. Her relation to Malaquo Maegyr, the sitting Tiger triarch in Volantis, is unknown.
 
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Gooberlx2

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Not 100% sure since I read the books a while ago, but here is my take on it:

If I'm remember the books correctly, it is implied - or maybe said directly - that Jeyne Westerling's mother was involved in the RW and helped make sure Jeyne did not get knocked up by Robb. However, I don't recall any evidence that the wedding between Robb and Jeyne was part of the plot at all. The attack on the Crag wasn't foreseen by the Lannisters as far as we know, and Robb's marriage was rather sudden. I think the plotting happened after the fact - the marriage was just an opportunity Tywin took advantage of.
The Westerlings were certainly involved in the RW. They were pardoned, and rewarded, for their roles. And Sybell's "fertility potions" for Jeyne were anything but (supposedly).

It is speculated that Sybell Spicer, being the granddaughter of Maggy the Frog -- well known for her love potions, may have concocted a love potion to lure Robb into Jeyne's arms, for the explicit purpose of creating opportunities. If the North wins, her daughter is a queen. If not, they're instrumental in bringing the North down. Seems a bit too elaborate to me, but the theory exists.

Theories here.
 
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jman19

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The Westerlings were certainly involved in the RW. They were pardoned, and rewarded, for their roles. And Sybell's "fertility potions" for Jeyne were anything but (supposedly).

It is speculated that Sybell Spicer, being the granddaughter of Maggy the Frog -- well known for her love potions, may have concocted a love potion to lure Robb into Jeyne's arms, for the explicit purpose of creating opportunities. If the North wins, her daughter is a queen. If not, they're instrumental in bringing the North down. Seems a bit too elaborate to me, but the theory exists.

Theories here.
Maybe I phrased it way too softly - the entire point of my post was that the RW was likely not preconceived as Robb marrying Jeyne to get the Frey's to turn on the Starks, but rather an opportunity that Tywin used to help finish off the War of the Five Kings after the marriage occurred. Anything else at this point is a theory - I don't think there is enough evidence to say otherwise, though the Maggy the Frog connection is at least curious. I've read those theories on that forum BTW :p
 

Spineshank

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Thought the moon tea was for Margery (she is supposedly a virgin) which plays into the conversation she has with Sansa about men alluding to the fact she is not. which comes into play later in the book series.

Wow and I complely missed this one

Queen Jeyne Westerling is the eldest daughter of Lord Gawen Westerling and Sybell Spicer. She was briefly married to King Robb Stark, around a year before he was killed. In the TV series her character is replaced by a character called Talisa of Volantis played by Oona Chaplin.

Talisa Maegyr is a healer from Volantis. She only appears in the TV series. She replaces Jeyne Westerling as the love interest and wife of King Robb Stark. She is played by Oona Chaplin. Her relation to Malaquo Maegyr, the sitting Tiger triarch in Volantis, is unknown.
Damn them for changing the story and getting me confused.
 

Spineshank

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The Westerlings were certainly involved in the RW. They were pardoned, and rewarded, for their roles. And Sybell's "fertility potions" for Jeyne were anything but (supposedly).

It is speculated that Sybell Spicer, being the granddaughter of Maggy the Frog -- well known for her love potions, may have concocted a love potion to lure Robb into Jeyne's arms, for the explicit purpose of creating opportunities. If the North wins, her daughter is a queen. If not, they're instrumental in bringing the North down. Seems a bit too elaborate to me, but the theory exists.

Theories here.
I do not remember that at all. I will have to re-read that part.
 

Gooberlx2

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Maybe I phrased it way too softly - the entire point of my post was that the RW was likely not preconceived as Robb marrying Jeyne to get the Frey's to turn on the Starks, but rather an opportunity that Tywin used to help finish off the War of the Five Kings after the marriage occurred. Anything else at this point is a theory - I don't think there is enough evidence to say otherwise, though the Maggy the Frog connection is at least curious. I've read those theories on that forum BTW :p
No, I got what you were saying. I just laid out the reasoning behind the (very thin, I agree) theory
(that the RW was, in fact, a preconceived notion)
. After finishing the books, reading the wiki puts so many things into context. Like the timeline of historical events and certain connected threads and whatnot. I love that wiki. ^_^
 
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randomrogue

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I thought they were doing ok this season until this episode. The random changing of characters really needs to stop. There was no reason for them to swap the queen of the north and it's just making things very confusing.
 

Spineshank

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I thought they were doing ok this season until this episode. The random changing of characters really needs to stop. There was no reason for them to swap the queen of the north and it's just making things very confusing.
How does it make things confusing? Its the same character with a different backstory. Which could be done to trim certain aspects of the story they dont have time for.
 

Gooberlx2

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I thought they were doing ok this season until this episode. The random changing of characters really needs to stop. There was no reason for them to swap the queen of the north and it's just making things very confusing.
Well...that was done back in early season 2. It shouldn't really confuse the issue any more than the books would have. Better for the story? I dunno. Depends on their rationale I suppose.

I think it's probably an easier sell for them to show Robb's juvenile actions of falling for a foreign-born lady helping the wounded, rather than the noble daughter of a Lannister bannerman. Maybe it would have been feasible to show his injury, rehab and courtship of Jeyne Westerling, but maybe it would have required too much screen time to generate viewer sympathy. Viewers here sympathize with Robb and Talisa quickly; and it will really pay off when they're punched in the gut at the RW.

I do understand why they replaced Vargo Hoat and the Bloody Mummers with Locke and Bolton men. The Mummers changed allegiances like, what, 3 times? It would have been too confusing.
 
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JEDI

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Things happening at/around the Wall-> Gives a whole new meaning to a Murder of Crows
 

quikah

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Boring episode. The nudity was way over the top even for HBO. I am sooo done with all the Theon torture porn. They really went overboard with this storyline IMO.

The only real highlights for me was the bear pit (which was still kind of meh) and Arya escaping. Hound/Arya storyline is great, I hope they do it justice.
 

Aikouka

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The nudity was way over the top even for HBO.
I didn't think it was much different than what we've seen in the past. Ain't no shame in a little dry humping. :p

I am sooo done with all the Theon torture porn.
...but I agree with that. At least based on what people said about it not being a major point, I think it should've only been shown in one episode for a single scene to establish where he was, but I probably would've liked to leave it in mystery. Although, I'm not too sure what happens to him in the end (haven't read the books), so I don't know how well that would work overall.
 

BrokenVisage

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This season has been a Game of Snores, you book people were saying how things were going to pick up compared to last season but with 3 episodes left I don't see it. So now what, look forward to the wedding? There's no (apparent) grand lead-up like the first 2 seasons had.
 

quikah

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...but I agree with that. At least based on what people said about it not being a major point, I think it should've only been shown in one episode for a single scene to establish where he was, but I probably would've liked to leave it in mystery. Although, I'm not too sure what happens to him in the end (haven't read the books), so I don't know how well that would work overall.
The problem in my mind is that Theon doesn't even appear in book 3 or 4, so I can't imagine what they are planning to do with him until season 5 (or 6?) except repeatedly torturing him.
 

MikeyLSU

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This season has been a Game of Snores, you book people were saying how things were going to pick up compared to last season but with 3 episodes left I don't see it. So now what, look forward to the wedding? There's no (apparent) grand lead-up like the first 2 seasons had.
the season will pick up drastically. I remember this in the books. At one point, I got to a chapter, and had to just keep reading because it got insane. I remember staying up way too late reading just because I couldn't wait to read the next chapter. We are almost to that point in the show.

You also have to remember this is 1 book split into 2 seasons. Being 7 episodes in, we are only about a third of the way into the books. I think it was somewhat a mistake to expand it this much.

But on the other hand, the books are just as much about character development and decisions as actual war/action. If not more so just about characters. The show is a game of thrones, so it is not as much about the endgame event like lord of the rings or something.

To me, some of the best scenes are the dialog from certain people, like Tywin and Tyrion especially.
 

MikeyLSU

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The problem in my mind is that Theon doesn't even appear in book 3 or 4, so I can't imagine what they are planning to do with him until season 5 (or 6?) except repeatedly torturing him.
I think it is so we don't forget his character and a way to keep the actor. Would be tough to go what would amount to 4 or 5 years(2 seasons per book) until we see him again even though he is alive. As an actor, he may not be around that long without a job.
 

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