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Game Day Thread: Iowa Caucuses

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Bitek said:
On the list of "people who got screwed in Iowa due to bullshit and have a complaint"..

.. Bernie and Pete ain't at the top of the list by a long shot.

I believe we just had a president impeached for a months long conspiracy to force a foreign country to help him cheat against Joe Biden and rig an election.

Furthermore, we had the IA senator, who was supposed to be an impartial juror for said impeached president vote to deny witnesses in the trial, meanwhile publicly musing how bad this would impact Biden in the election in her state.

But Bernie got done dirty right?

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Then allow all the other D candidates (many who didn't even make it to this week) complain how using this super white hick state as gatekeeper hobbles their chances from the start

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Let's not forget about minorites, don't have any meaningful representation in the first TWO states to vote, and the race is historically pretty much over by then.

Shit, most white people voted for Trump last time, and AAs who vote 90+% dem are forth in line.

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Then allow an the people in IA who don't have 3hrs to waste complain how this stupid caucus doesn't give them a chance to vote fairly

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Then, if there are even any Fs left to give, we can hear the complaints about "Hillary people" working on the goddamn app.

Bernie and Boots tied and get move on. May they please quit the petty bitching.
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If anyone has intentionally tried to affect the Results to affect Bernie negatively, whether successful, failed, or somewhere between, then, Yes, he would have been "Done dirty". We just went through these types of excuses regarding Trump's Impeachment.
 
sandorski said:
If anyone has intentionally tried to affect the Results to affect Bernie negatively, whether successful, failed, or somewhere between, then, Yes, he would have been "Done dirty". We just went through these types of excuses regarding Trump's Impeachment.
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Are we saying he would have won a "total victory" and his path to the nomination would have been undisputed?

Meanwhile Biden placed shockingly fourth after leading so many national polls for so long, esp before all this Ukraine BS?

How many voters did he lose to that, even just defensively after the butter males election of 2016?

Why is his viability based on white bread IA and not SC when the base of the party is minorites, with whom he's been leading by miles for the last year?
58% of whites voted for Trump, yet they pick first and second.

But everything is unfair for Bernie yet again..
 
Bitek said:
Are we saying he would have won a "total victory" and his path to the nomination would have been undisputed?

Meanwhile Biden placed shockingly fourth after leading so many national polls for so long, esp before all this Ukraine BS?

How many voters did he lose to that, even just defensively after the butter males election of 2016?

Why is his viability based on white bread IA and not SC when the base of the party is minorites, with whom he's been leading by miles for the last year?
58% of whites voted for Trump, yet they pick first and second.

But everything is unfair for Bernie yet again..
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All I'm saying is that if Bullshit has happened, then it should be called "Bullshit". Don't you find it just a little bit weird that the Candidate many establishment Democrats openly loathe has this Iowa fiasco happen the way it has when it appears he may have Won? I realize that some are convinced that shenanigans are definitely afoot, prematurely I would say, however there are plenty of reasons to raise suspicion. The Democratic Party needs to avoid these fiascos and be squeaky clean. I'm not sure they can due to so many potential Conflicts of Interest though.
 
sandorski said:
All I'm saying is that if Bullshit has happened, then it should be called "Bullshit". Don't you find it just a little bit weird that the Candidate many establishment Democrats openly loathe has this Iowa fiasco happen the way it has when it appears he may have Won? I realize that some are convinced that shenanigans are definitely afoot, prematurely I would say, however there are plenty of reasons to raise suspicion. The Democratic Party needs to avoid these fiascos and be squeaky clean. I'm not sure they can due to so many potential Conflicts of Interest though.
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I think it's a rediculous notion that the Iowa Democratic Party intentionally fucked up their own vote and sabotaged their special place in line for the last 50 years just to take down Bernie all the way down to... first or second place.

The grand scheme being a Trojan horse Hillary app that garbles result data, that's announced PUBLICLY, out loud, to ALL the attendees and army of campaign monitors and various media crews in attendance.

The alternative is that Iowa screwed up a caucus for the third or fourth time in a row. This time super bigly. Like Florida incompetent, almost.

It's fucking crazy, yet people are on fire about it.

I find it far more plausible that govt bureaucrats and politicos paid way too much to an unproven yet well connected company to build a shitty app, and who did not thoroughly test it before handing it to a bunch of geriatrics who had no idea what to do with it, who then proceeded to call audibles and make up their own half assed processes and recording techniques, and thus the true result is unlikely to ever be known.
 
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Cool, so now we know that Bernie won by more than 3%. There's no question that the party stalled on reporting the final figure so the "Pete won" narrative could permeate as long as possible. Awful people, but they will lose.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Cool, so now we know that Bernie won by more than 3%. There's no question that the party stalled on reporting the final figure so the "Pete won" narrative could permeate as long as possible. Awful people, but they will lose.
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No question, huh? Sounds like you must have some pretty strong evidence of this. When can we expect it?
 
Blackjack200 said:
Cool, so now we know that Bernie won by more than 3%. There's no question that the party stalled on reporting the final figure so the "Pete won" narrative could permeate as long as possible. Awful people, but they will lose.
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I'm sure you have a source for that...
 
Bitek said:
I believe we just had a president impeached for a months long conspiracy to force a foreign country to help him cheat against Joe Biden and rig an election.

Furthermore, we had the IA senator, who was supposed to be an impartial juror for said impeached president vote to deny witnesses in the trial, meanwhile publicly musing how bad this would impact Biden in the election in her state.

But Bernie got done dirty right?
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Meanwhile Biden placed shockingly fourth after leading so many national polls for so long, esp before all this Ukraine BS?
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The Ukraine explanation doesn’t coincide with the decline in polling, really. Closer to Iowa, he started dropping nationally and in the state polls. I personally thought Biden would had fallen earlier like a sort of repeat of 2008 Biden.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1178796108094545920

Let's not forget about minorites, don't have any meaningful representation in the first TWO states to vote, and the race is historically pretty much over by then.
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Meh. Older black folks love to line up in the chow line with Biden benefiting from being VP of Obama. He’s the most moderate out of the bunch.

Are we saying he would have won a "total victory" and his path to the nomination would have been undisputed?
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Boosts in the first few states can make all the difference.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1225488051998220288
 
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Maxima1 said:
We still don't know who won. Bernie might be the actual winner. Basically a coin toss. If so, Pete has been running away with the "winning" narrative so far. Though, I don't indulge in the app conspiracies.
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Pete might be running away with it because his supporters aren't going off to crazy town with a bunch of Clinton conspiracies.
 
fskimospy said:
Got it, so you have no evidence. Thanks!
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What?! Since when is conjecture from cherrypicked randos on Twitter not considered facts?

What else could you possibly need? Are we going to have post up some 2hr neckbeard YouTube rants to completely bury your ass in TRUTH?!

Don't make us bust out some chops and memes
Fur reels son
 
Fking Bernie bros and their idiotic conspiracy theories. I almost hope he gets the nomination and then loses to Trump so they’ll stfu. They’re going to throw the election regardless so might as well end with one of the extremist sides keeping their nonsense to themselves rather than both spewing their Twitter idiocy like we have now.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Cool, so now we know that Bernie won by more than 3%. There's no question that the party stalled on reporting the final figure so the "Pete won" narrative could permeate as long as possible. Awful people, but they will lose.
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Amen, and wait until you BernieBros see my next thread. It's going to make you quite happy!
 
Hey Dems. I'm laughing at the superior intellect. You can't run an election and you can't even come up with credible evidence to convict Trump. And I'll repeat, yet again, that I'm not a Trumpista. Do a search if you don't believe me.
 
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