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[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

1. - you really can't understand the difference ?
2. - again, you can't understand the concept ?


You are looking at people as extremes, good/bad , smart/dumb
Sorry, people are way more complex than that.

1. Uh, lol... Some people can be more intelligent then others, and that comes from genes

2.Ugh, look at the demographics. Stupider people are more likely to be poor. it's a fact, i don't give a damn about others things making a person up. This is a fact, the less intelligent you are, the higher chance that you'll be poor. You may not like it, but thats how it works. and of course there are exceptions, but with a population, you have to look at general trends(if you've taken statistics you'd understand this?).

1. Intelligence is worthless if its not applied. There are many intelligent people that are not wealthy or successful.
2. Get out and meet the people you are talking about. You clearly have no idea what makes up a person.

oh, and stop with the attempt to belittle.
Its not showing your good side.
I'll take life experience over statistics any day.

1. How many times must I repeat this? It's population trends that matter. Sure, some intelligent people fail at life. Thats irrelevant.

2. Get out and meet the person? Lol, we're not talking about specific people. We're talking about population trends. It's a FACT. Stupid people are more likely to be poor. No matte how many times you tell me to meet people, thats a fact. Get over it.

Experiences over statistics? I'm sorry, but I don't believe you've met every person on earth? Too bad, I guess we'll have to use statistics/population trends, because your sample size isn't large enough, and of course, experiences are subjective, and subjective ideas are not valid in any debate.

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

What do you plan to do with the one's that can't succeed? Just let them die and let the trash people, scoop them off the streets and throw them in the dumpster? We'll also have higher crime rates, time to build more prisons or start killing them.

While that doesn't sound appealing what are the alternatives? Force them to work? You can't lawfully do that. Make us subsidize their life? That's not fair to anyone else.

In the end, each individual is responsible for their own life. Their success or failure depends on them.

What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

The lower life people that he is talking about don't care enough to take part in these programs.

About 10 years ago they built a really fancy $6 million high school in the black section of town. They built amazing classrooms. Computers, projectors, high tech science labs. They created career paths for the kids. You could get a cosmetology license, nursing degree, etc all while in high school on the government dollar. Very few people took advantage of these programs. Its not the school's fault, last year they sent about 15 kids to college (one even went to MIT). But the kids just don't want to do anything.

The school failed and they are about to turn it into the academic magnet school and bring in upper class kids who will use the facilities.

There are also plenty of programs that work, like the Metco busing program in Massachusetts where inner school children are bus'd to suburban school systems.

Obviously, in your example the attempt was poorly executed. Local leaders needed to meet with parents to get them interested/involved with their children's education.

You're talking about parents in their early 20s. The father is in prison, the mother is still in the "fuck you, i can do whatever i want" mode of her life. Good luck with that.

When I went to high school, the academic magnet school was in the poor area that was mostly Hispanic. These kids would go out with their dads and commit crimes. I spent some time talking to some of the girls in an art class I took. Their way of life is to get pregnant by 14, get loose of the system (graduate school or turn 18, which ever comes first), then party as fast and hard as they can til life kicks them in the ass.

So, how can we change this situation? Just give up and put them on their own island?

Volunteering sometime and you'll be amazed that there are poor people that want to improve their lots in life.

There are also the huge number that don't care at all. What do you about those?

Of course there are those who are good hard working people who want to be helped. I have volunteered and seen these people.

I've also gone to school with the ghetto thugs who don't give a crap about anything except looking cool and getting shot.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Modelworks


1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.

Actually this is incorrect. Intelligence is passed on by genes. Your IQ doesn't change, you're born with it. Education and intelligence are two different things.

It depends on your definition of intelligence.
I don't consider IQ testing as a measure of intelligence.
I have seen people with high IQ test scores , not be able to find their way out of a box.
I have seen those that score poorly design a structure that can withstand a category 4 storm.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

1. - you really can't understand the difference ?
2. - again, you can't understand the concept ?


You are looking at people as extremes, good/bad , smart/dumb
Sorry, people are way more complex than that.

1. Uh, lol... Some people can be more intelligent then others, and that comes from genes

2.Ugh, look at the demographics. Stupider people are more likely to be poor. it's a fact, i don't give a damn about others things making a person up. This is a fact, the less intelligent you are, the higher chance that you'll be poor. You may not like it, but thats how it works. and of course there are exceptions, but with a population, you have to look at general trends(if you've taken statistics you'd understand this?).

1. Intelligence is worthless if its not applied. There are many intelligent people that are not wealthy or successful.
2. Get out and meet the people you are talking about. You clearly have no idea what makes up a person.

oh, and stop with the attempt to belittle.
Its not showing your good side.
I'll take life experience over statistics any day.

1. How many times must I repeat this? It's population trends that matter. Sure, some intelligent people fail at life. Thats irrelevant.

2. Get out and meet the person? Lol, we're not talking about specific people. We're talking about population trends. It's a FACT. Stupid people are more likely to be poor. No matte how many times you tell me to meet people, thats a fact. Get over it.

Experiences over statistics? I'm sorry, but I don't believe you've met every person on earth? Too bad, I guess we'll have to use statistics/population trends, because your sample size isn't large enough, and of course, experiences are subjective, and subjective ideas are not valid in any debate.

Thank you.
Your proved my point for me.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Modelworks


1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.

Actually this is incorrect. Intelligence is passed on by genes. Your IQ doesn't change, you're born with it. Education and intelligence are two different things.

It depends on your definition of intelligence.
I don't consider IQ testing as a measure of intelligence.
I have seen people with high IQ test scores , not be able to find their way out of a box.
I have seen those that score poorly design a structure that can withstand a category 4 storm.

Your argument is subjective. Come up with a repeatable objective test for measuring intelligence, then we'll use that instead of IQ. Until then, gtfo.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Modelworks


1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.

Actually this is incorrect. Intelligence is passed on by genes. Your IQ doesn't change, you're born with it. Education and intelligence are two different things.

It depends on your definition of intelligence.
I don't consider IQ testing as a measure of intelligence.
I have seen people with high IQ test scores , not be able to find their way out of a box.
I have seen those that score poorly design a structure that can withstand a category 4 storm.

Your argument is subjective. Come up with a repeatable objective test for measuring intelligence, then we'll use that instead of IQ. Until then, gtfo.

Again you prove my point for me.
Thanks !

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

Your the idiot, you need to sit down and shut up.

My dad came from a poor family of seven. Dropped out of high school in his junior year.

Went on to be an enginer for GM. Was picked out thousands of enginers for GM to be in take part in classes to lead to the company into diesel engines. Finished the top of the class out of a hundred. Went on to the Nascar circuit developing engines parts for Darrell Waltrip.

One sister is a succesfull breeder of race horses. Another went on to be a teacher for mentally challenged kids. Another went on to help her ex husband build his construction company into a very successful one still on business after 30 years.
The others have married successful men who attribute their success in great part to their wives.

A good friend of mine has retired at the age 44 after selling insurance and investing his money.

As for me I have had a great career in management and turning down promotions to have some time with my family. As a matter of fact I now work from home to be with my family. My father in law came from a poor family and dropped of college to go on to be a vice president of a Fortune 500 company.

Just because someone is born into poverty does not make them stupid. You may have money but I consider you a dumbass for the narrow minded holier then thou mindset you have. But then some people have the need to feel superior to others to make themselves feel better.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

1. - you really can't understand the difference ?
2. - again, you can't understand the concept ?


You are looking at people as extremes, good/bad , smart/dumb
Sorry, people are way more complex than that.

1. Uh, lol... Some people can be more intelligent then others, and that comes from genes

2.Ugh, look at the demographics. Stupider people are more likely to be poor. it's a fact, i don't give a damn about others things making a person up. This is a fact, the less intelligent you are, the higher chance that you'll be poor. You may not like it, but thats how it works. and of course there are exceptions, but with a population, you have to look at general trends(if you've taken statistics you'd understand this?).

1. Intelligence is worthless if its not applied. There are many intelligent people that are not wealthy or successful.
2. Get out and meet the people you are talking about. You clearly have no idea what makes up a person.

oh, and stop with the attempt to belittle.
Its not showing your good side.
I'll take life experience over statistics any day.

1. How many times must I repeat this? It's population trends that matter. Sure, some intelligent people fail at life. Thats irrelevant.

2. Get out and meet the person? Lol, we're not talking about specific people. We're talking about population trends. It's a FACT. Stupid people are more likely to be poor. No matte how many times you tell me to meet people, thats a fact. Get over it.

Experiences over statistics? I'm sorry, but I don't believe you've met every person on earth? Too bad, I guess we'll have to use statistics/population trends, because your sample size isn't large enough, and of course, experiences are subjective, and subjective ideas are not valid in any debate.

Thank you.
Your proved my point for me.

Mind elaborating? I believe I showed that your argument had no basis in actual objective fact, and therefore is invalid.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Modelworks


1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.

Actually this is incorrect. Intelligence is passed on by genes. Your IQ doesn't change, you're born with it. Education and intelligence are two different things.

It depends on your definition of intelligence.
I don't consider IQ testing as a measure of intelligence.
I have seen people with high IQ test scores , not be able to find their way out of a box.
I have seen those that score poorly design a structure that can withstand a category 4 storm.

Your argument is subjective. Come up with a repeatable objective test for measuring intelligence, then we'll use that instead of IQ. Until then, gtfo.

Current IQ test only test 2-3 levels of intelligence. There are dozens of levels of intelligence. An IQ test (the standardized ones) are not something to measure intelligence by.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

Your the idiot, you need to sit down and shut up.

My dad came from a poor family of seven. Dropped out of high school in his junior year.

Went on to be an enginer for GM. Was picked out thousands of enginers for GM to be in take part in classes to lead to the company into diesel engines. Finished the top of the class out of a hundred. Went on to the Nascar circuit developing engines parts for Darrell Waltrip.

One sister is a succesfull breeder of race horses. Another went on to be a teacher for mentally challenged kids. Another went on to help her ex husband build his construction company into a very successful one still on business after 30 years.
The others have married successful men who attribute their success in great part to their wives.

A good friend of mine has retired at the age 44 after selling insurance and investing his money.

As for me I have had a great career in management and turning down promotions to have some time with my family. As a matter of fact I now work from home to be with my family. My father in law came from a poor family and dropped of college to go on to be a vice president of a Fortune 500 company.

Just because someone is born into poverty does not make them stupid. You may have money but I consider you a dumbass for the narrow minded holier then thou mindset you have. But then some people have the need to feel superior to others to make themselves feel better.

Lol, have i not said, over and over again, of course they're are exceptions? But that doesn't matter when your dealing with an entire population.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

1. - you really can't understand the difference ?
2. - again, you can't understand the concept ?


You are looking at people as extremes, good/bad , smart/dumb
Sorry, people are way more complex than that.

1. Uh, lol... Some people can be more intelligent then others, and that comes from genes

2.Ugh, look at the demographics. Stupider people are more likely to be poor. it's a fact, i don't give a damn about others things making a person up. This is a fact, the less intelligent you are, the higher chance that you'll be poor. You may not like it, but thats how it works. and of course there are exceptions, but with a population, you have to look at general trends(if you've taken statistics you'd understand this?).

1. Intelligence is worthless if its not applied. There are many intelligent people that are not wealthy or successful.
2. Get out and meet the people you are talking about. You clearly have no idea what makes up a person.

oh, and stop with the attempt to belittle.
Its not showing your good side.
I'll take life experience over statistics any day.

1. How many times must I repeat this? It's population trends that matter. Sure, some intelligent people fail at life. Thats irrelevant.

2. Get out and meet the person? Lol, we're not talking about specific people. We're talking about population trends. It's a FACT. Stupid people are more likely to be poor. No matte how many times you tell me to meet people, thats a fact. Get over it.

Experiences over statistics? I'm sorry, but I don't believe you've met every person on earth? Too bad, I guess we'll have to use statistics/population trends, because your sample size isn't large enough, and of course, experiences are subjective, and subjective ideas are not valid in any debate.

Thank you.
Your proved my point for me.

Mind elaborating? I believe I showed that your argument had no basis in actual objective fact, and therefore is invalid.

Your not at the point in life where you could grasp the concept.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Modelworks


1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.

Actually this is incorrect. Intelligence is passed on by genes. Your IQ doesn't change, you're born with it. Education and intelligence are two different things.

It depends on your definition of intelligence.
I don't consider IQ testing as a measure of intelligence.
I have seen people with high IQ test scores , not be able to find their way out of a box.
I have seen those that score poorly design a structure that can withstand a category 4 storm.

Your argument is subjective. Come up with a repeatable objective test for measuring intelligence, then we'll use that instead of IQ. Until then, gtfo.

Current IQ test only test 2-3 levels of intelligence. There are dozens of levels of intelligence. An IQ test (the standardized ones) are not something to measure intelligence by.

I just said come up with something better, and I'll be glad to use it.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

1. - you really can't understand the difference ?
2. - again, you can't understand the concept ?


You are looking at people as extremes, good/bad , smart/dumb
Sorry, people are way more complex than that.

1. Uh, lol... Some people can be more intelligent then others, and that comes from genes

2.Ugh, look at the demographics. Stupider people are more likely to be poor. it's a fact, i don't give a damn about others things making a person up. This is a fact, the less intelligent you are, the higher chance that you'll be poor. You may not like it, but thats how it works. and of course there are exceptions, but with a population, you have to look at general trends(if you've taken statistics you'd understand this?).

1. Intelligence is worthless if its not applied. There are many intelligent people that are not wealthy or successful.
2. Get out and meet the people you are talking about. You clearly have no idea what makes up a person.

oh, and stop with the attempt to belittle.
Its not showing your good side.
I'll take life experience over statistics any day.

1. How many times must I repeat this? It's population trends that matter. Sure, some intelligent people fail at life. Thats irrelevant.

2. Get out and meet the person? Lol, we're not talking about specific people. We're talking about population trends. It's a FACT. Stupid people are more likely to be poor. No matte how many times you tell me to meet people, thats a fact. Get over it.

Experiences over statistics? I'm sorry, but I don't believe you've met every person on earth? Too bad, I guess we'll have to use statistics/population trends, because your sample size isn't large enough, and of course, experiences are subjective, and subjective ideas are not valid in any debate.

Thank you.
Your proved my point for me.

Mind elaborating? I believe I showed that your argument had no basis in actual objective fact, and therefore is invalid.

Your not at the point in life where you could grasp the concept.

I suppose your getting your concept from a small sample size, because thats what experience is. Sorry, but I'm fairly certain that isn't considered a fact.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Do we have any statistics on how many families in the US are classified as "poor" and what their average family size is?

 

[her209]

For the love of God, can people start snipping quotes!?!?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101


I suppose your getting your concept from a small sample size, because thats what experience is. Sorry, but I'm fairly certain that isn't considered a fact.

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Do we have any statistics on how many families in the US are classified as "poor" and what their average family size is?

Possibly can be found here

http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/pov/toc.htm

 

[KK]

you're, not your. fvcking idiots. :roll:

 

[Viper0329]

All people, the poorest of the poor included, are human beings with an inherent dignity, and they deserve to be treated as such. Love them, respect them, and do what you can to help them.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: KK
you're, not your. fvcking idiots. :roll:

Fucking, not fvcking

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Do we have any statistics on how many families in the US are classified as "poor" and what their average family size is?

I have to concede this point, it appears I was wrong about poorer families being larger.

http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro...07/hhinc/new01_001.htm

EDIT: Although by no means do I concede to experiences being a valid point of reference for measuring population trends.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: KK
you're, not your. fvcking idiots. :roll:

must be the poor buggers that use them incorrectly

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Viper0329
All people, the poorest of the poor included, are human beings with an inherent dignity, and they deserve to be treated as such. Love them, respect them, and do what you can to help them.

BLEEDING HEART! EMOTION! BAN!!!!!!!!

 

[Greenman]

Most of you seem to equate intelligence with financial gain and material possessions. Why should they be connected?

The op seems to think that having a lot of children that others have to pay for is a sign of stupidity or low IQ. Again, I'm not seeing the connection.

From an evolutionary point of view, success is having as many offspring as possible, the more fertile those offspring, the better. Darwin has it in for you.

This is a very old argument, and it always stems from the belief that you are somehow superior to most others. Constructing a logic that allows for the "control" of the inferior breeders for the benefit of the race has been done time and time again. The beauty of the system is that you get to pick and choose which traits are superior, thereby allowing you to select only those that reflect your own bias. The fundamental problem is that every race, class, religion, or shouting society can "prove" that they are indeed the superior beings, and therefore have to protect the human race by making sure that the lessor people stay in there place.

It's a great deal as long as you're at the top.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101


I suppose your getting your concept from a small sample size, because thats what experience is. Sorry, but I'm fairly certain that isn't considered a fact.

Whatever makes you feel better.

Well, since I actually feel sorry for you and your ignorant "experiences" argument, I don't need much cheering up, thanks.