Future problem in the country

[Modelworks]

The problem is your looking at only one aspect of people.
You are looking at wealth as the only measure of someones worth.
You are not looking at those that add to society in other ways.
Where do the painters, writers , musicians, theorists fit in ?
Many of those are poor and never will be considered wealthy, but they contribute much more .

It may seem like a society that only had the highest IQ people reproduce would thrive.
In fact it would crash and burn.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: KK
Poor dumb people are going to reproduce faster, they are idiots. did you expect them to be busy working?

You're a retard, being an idiot gives them a better chance of being poor, but being poor doesn't mean they're automatically idiots.

Idiots reproduce more often, that's the problem. It just happens that they're usually poor because they're idiots. There are idiots who are rich and pump out a kid every year, and there are poor couples who aren't idiots who don't breed at all, knowing full well they're not in a position to be procreating.

The idiots are even in this thread, and some of em' have kids!

What kind of person has a kid they cant provide for? I'll tell you, a fvckin low life idiot.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

Ah yes, an ad hominem attack. When you can't effectively attack the idea you attack the person stating it.

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

What do you plan to do with the one's that can't succeed? Just let them die and let the trash people, scoop them off the streets and throw them in the dumpster? We'll also have higher crime rates, time to build more prisons or start killing them.

While that doesn't sound appealing what are the alternatives? Force them to work? You can't lawfully do that. Make us subsidize their life? That's not fair to anyone else.

In the end, each individual is responsible for their own life. Their success or failure depends on them.

What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

The lower life people that he is talking about don't care enough to take part in these programs.

About 10 years ago they built a really fancy $6 million high school in the black section of town. They built amazing classrooms. Computers, projectors, high tech science labs. They created career paths for the kids. You could get a cosmetology license, nursing degree, etc all while in high school on the government dollar. Very few people took advantage of these programs. Its not the school's fault, last year they sent about 15 kids to college (one even went to MIT). But the kids just don't want to do anything.

The school failed and they are about to turn it into the academic magnet school and bring in upper class kids from the other side of town who will use the facilities.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Cogman
The average American already has a lower IQ, and unfortunately the trend seems to be downward. For whatever reason, the American media and public love to ridicule Intelligence and make it seem to be a bad thing. They like to encourage behavior that is unintelligent while simultaneously pushing stereo types that are just as bad as the "Dumb Jock" stereo type.

For example, if you think of someone that is going to Computer Engineering, what do you see? A thin (or fairly thick) out of shape man that wears glass, is mostly unattractive, and has no social abilities. Is that about correct? For most of the public, yes, it is. And that is where the problem starts, because of that stereo type people will instantly say "Ill never do that course because I'm not like that" even though they are perfectly capable and might even enjoy it.

Like your avatar does not promote that image.

I also think you have been watching way too much "Breakfast Club"

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

By looking at those 4 statements, we can conclude that, because poor people are more likely to have low intelligence, and they reproduce more, then they're lower intelligence is transferred unto greater portion of the population.

Those are the facts, simple logic and reasoning. If you disagree with any of that, then I'm not going to waste my time debating anything with you.


Now, as more people with lower intelligence are created, is there anything to be done about it? The answer is no. Unless we want to become communists, this is the way the world works. It happens in every country in the world, and we're no exception. To be so arrogant as to think the human population isn't affected by genetics makes be doubt your belief in evolution at all. (and if you don't believe in evolution, GTFO)

That sums it up quite effectively. Thanks.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

You're right. We're fvcked. Oh Noes
/thread
-AE

 

[clamum]

Bus all the poor people to their own country.

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

What do you plan to do with the one's that can't succeed? Just let them die and let the trash people, scoop them off the streets and throw them in the dumpster? We'll also have higher crime rates, time to build more prisons or start killing them.

While that doesn't sound appealing what are the alternatives? Force them to work? You can't lawfully do that. Make us subsidize their life? That's not fair to anyone else.

In the end, each individual is responsible for their own life. Their success or failure depends on them.

What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

Please. We've had many people in this thread say they were poor and have worked out of it. My parents did as well. There are plenty of opportunities in this country; my parents started out by living out of a truck and now make over 100,000 a year (in the country, not a city) and have several large assets such as an appartment building, two houses, and some investments.

How did they do it? Hard work and intelligence. Go to a trailer park some time. I guarantee the last thing you'll see from 90% of the people is hard work or intelligence. No, not all poor people are stupid, but the majority are. I live right next to a very rich community and every single rich person I have gotten to know has been very smart. You can't base your opinions on Paris Hilton, or any movie star type.

The OP is talking about something I've been thinking about for years, and I see no other option other than to eventually get out of this country. We give people more money the more children they have - if there isn't anything wrong with that (evolutionarily), I don't know what is. You can get birth control for free if you're poor, and even if not condoms aren't that expensive.

Back in the day, even 100 years ago, every couple in society had a large amount of kids. Now, there's the "nuclear" family of two parents and two kids. If you go down far enough on the social ladder, you'll find that isn't true and that each couple has 4-6 kids. Those 4-6 kids will then have another 4-6 kids each, and so on, while everyone else is simply just replacing themselves. There will be more and more stupid/lazy people, and the number of smart/hard working people is going to go down or stay the same. The way it's going, it's inevitable.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

What do you plan to do with the one's that can't succeed? Just let them die and let the trash people, scoop them off the streets and throw them in the dumpster? We'll also have higher crime rates, time to build more prisons or start killing them.

While that doesn't sound appealing what are the alternatives? Force them to work? You can't lawfully do that. Make us subsidize their life? That's not fair to anyone else.

In the end, each individual is responsible for their own life. Their success or failure depends on them.

What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

The lower life people that he is talking about don't care enough to take part in these programs.

About 10 years ago they built a really fancy $6 million high school in the black section of town. They built amazing classrooms. Computers, projectors, high tech science labs. They created career paths for the kids. You could get a cosmetology license, nursing degree, etc all while in high school on the government dollar. Very few people took advantage of these programs. Its not the school's fault, last year they sent about 15 kids to college (one even went to MIT). But the kids just don't want to do anything.

The school failed and they are about to turn it into the academic magnet school and bring in upper class kids who will use the facilities.

There are also plenty of programs that work, like the Metco busing program in Massachusetts where inner school children are bus'd to suburban school systems.

Obviously, in your example the attempt was poorly executed. Local leaders needed to meet with parents to get them interested/involved with their children's education.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

1. - you really can't understand the difference ?
2. - again, you can't understand the concept ?


You are looking at people as extremes, good/bad , smart/dumb
Sorry, people are way more complex than that.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

What do you plan to do with the one's that can't succeed? Just let them die and let the trash people, scoop them off the streets and throw them in the dumpster? We'll also have higher crime rates, time to build more prisons or start killing them.

While that doesn't sound appealing what are the alternatives? Force them to work? You can't lawfully do that. Make us subsidize their life? That's not fair to anyone else.

In the end, each individual is responsible for their own life. Their success or failure depends on them.

What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

Read up on the relationship between the Civil War and East Philadelphia. And stay away from ad hominems, you'll add nothing to the discussion.

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

What do you plan to do with the one's that can't succeed? Just let them die and let the trash people, scoop them off the streets and throw them in the dumpster? We'll also have higher crime rates, time to build more prisons or start killing them.

While that doesn't sound appealing what are the alternatives? Force them to work? You can't lawfully do that. Make us subsidize their life? That's not fair to anyone else.

In the end, each individual is responsible for their own life. Their success or failure depends on them.

What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

The lower life people that he is talking about don't care enough to take part in these programs.

About 10 years ago they built a really fancy $6 million high school in the black section of town. They built amazing classrooms. Computers, projectors, high tech science labs. They created career paths for the kids. You could get a cosmetology license, nursing degree, etc all while in high school on the government dollar. Very few people took advantage of these programs. Its not the school's fault, last year they sent about 15 kids to college (one even went to MIT). But the kids just don't want to do anything.

The school failed and they are about to turn it into the academic magnet school and bring in upper class kids who will use the facilities.

There are also plenty of programs that work, like the Metco busing program in Massachusetts where inner school children are bus'd to suburban school systems.

Obviously, in your example the attempt was poorly executed. Local leaders needed to meet with parents to get them interested/involved with their children's education.

You're talking about parents in their early 20s. The father is in prison, the mother is still in the "fuck you, i can do whatever i want" mode of her life. Good luck with that.

When I went to high school, the academic magnet school was in the poor area that was mostly Hispanic. These kids would go out with their dads and commit crimes. I spent some time talking to some of the girls in an art class I took. Their way of life is to get pregnant by 14, get loose of the system (graduate school or turn 18, which ever comes first), then party as fast and hard as they can til life kicks them in the ass.

 

[meltdown75]

I just find it absolutely comical that the people that the OP is talking down to (those with the "emotional" or "bleeding heart" responses) are the same ones he seems to be sincerely asking for input on this issue in the OP.

We're all so lucky to have a few elites among us to let us know how stupid we are

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

What do you plan to do with the one's that can't succeed? Just let them die and let the trash people, scoop them off the streets and throw them in the dumpster? We'll also have higher crime rates, time to build more prisons or start killing them.

While that doesn't sound appealing what are the alternatives? Force them to work? You can't lawfully do that. Make us subsidize their life? That's not fair to anyone else.

In the end, each individual is responsible for their own life. Their success or failure depends on them.

I think the obvious answer here is to send all the poor people to reeducation camps so they can learn to be more productive citizens.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

1. - you really can't understand the difference ?
2. - again, you can't understand the concept ?


You are looking at people as extremes, good/bad , smart/dumb
Sorry, people are way more complex than that.

1. Uh, lol... Some people can be more intelligent then others, and that comes from genes

2.Ugh, look at the demographics. Stupider people are more likely to be poor. it's a fact, i don't give a damn about others things making a person up. This is a fact, the less intelligent you are, the higher chance that you'll be poor. You may not like it, but thats how it works. and of course there are exceptions, but with a population, you have to look at general trends(if you've taken statistics you'd understand this?).

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

Ah yes, an ad hominem attack. When you can't effectively attack the idea you attack the person stating it.

LMAO. I think it's funny how you don't have solution. Or can't answer any of my questions?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

What do you plan to do with the one's that can't succeed? Just let them die and let the trash people, scoop them off the streets and throw them in the dumpster? We'll also have higher crime rates, time to build more prisons or start killing them.

While that doesn't sound appealing what are the alternatives? Force them to work? You can't lawfully do that. Make us subsidize their life? That's not fair to anyone else.

In the end, each individual is responsible for their own life. Their success or failure depends on them.

What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

The lower life people that he is talking about don't care enough to take part in these programs.

About 10 years ago they built a really fancy $6 million high school in the black section of town. They built amazing classrooms. Computers, projectors, high tech science labs. They created career paths for the kids. You could get a cosmetology license, nursing degree, etc all while in high school on the government dollar. Very few people took advantage of these programs. Its not the school's fault, last year they sent about 15 kids to college (one even went to MIT). But the kids just don't want to do anything.

The school failed and they are about to turn it into the academic magnet school and bring in upper class kids who will use the facilities.

There are also plenty of programs that work, like the Metco busing program in Massachusetts where inner school children are bus'd to suburban school systems.

Obviously, in your example the attempt was poorly executed. Local leaders needed to meet with parents to get them interested/involved with their children's education.

You're talking about parents in their early 20s. The father is in prison, the mother is still in the "fuck you, i can do whatever i want" mode of her life. Good luck with that.

When I went to high school, the academic magnet school was in the poor area that was mostly Hispanic. These kids would go out with their dads and commit crimes. I spent some time talking to some of the girls in an art class I took. Their way of life is to get pregnant by 14, get loose of the system (graduate school or turn 18, which ever comes first), then party as fast and hard as they can til life kicks them in the ass.

So, how can we change this situation? Just give up and put them on their own island?

Volunteering sometime and you'll be amazed that there are poor people that want to improve their lots in life.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.
2. It takes more than intelligence to make up a person.
4. Compare the same number of the rich with the same number of the poor.
The deviation is not that great.

1.Lol? fine, they pass on an ability to be not very intelligent at all. No difference.
2.In general, specifics don't matter
4.Too bad, that there are alot more poor people.

1. - you really can't understand the difference ?
2. - again, you can't understand the concept ?


You are looking at people as extremes, good/bad , smart/dumb
Sorry, people are way more complex than that.

1. Uh, lol... Some people can be more intelligent then others, and that comes from genes

2.Ugh, look at the demographics. Stupider people are more likely to be poor. it's a fact, i don't give a damn about others things making a person up. This is a fact, the less intelligent you are, the higher chance that you'll be poor. You may not like it, but thats how it works. and of course there are exceptions, but with a population, you have to look at general trends(if you've taken statistics you'd understand this?).

1. Intelligence is worthless if its not applied. There are many intelligent people that are not wealthy or successful.
2. Get out and meet the people you are talking about. You clearly have no idea what makes up a person.

oh, and stop with the attempt to belittle.
Its not showing your good side.
I'll take life experience over statistics any day.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


What are the alternatives? Are you this stupid? I thought you had a high IQ.

Like I've already said, create opportunities for people to succeed. Better schools, create job opportunities, better access to health. Yes, you subsidize these efforts as it's part of living in a civilized society that looks out for all of it's people.

You know that there are countries with higher standards of living than the US, right? You do know that they subsidize and create opportunity for their poor, right?

Why don't you cry about how we should abolish prisoners and just kill all of them to save money? Or kill all of the mentally ill or the elderly that need gov't assistance?

How old are you? You sound very naive and ignorant. You know that there individuals that have come out of poverty that have higher IQs than you and have added more to society than you ever will.

You fail at history and science, please do not breed.

Ah yes, an ad hominem attack. When you can't effectively attack the idea you attack the person stating it.

LMAO. I think it's funny how you don't have solution. Or can't answer any of my questions?

Uh, do you not understand the fact that stupid people "succeeding" has nothing to do with the spread of their genes?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


So, how can we change this situation? Just give up and put them on their own island?

Volunteering sometime and you'll be amazed that there are poor people that want to improve their lots in life.

Or how many poor people are actually highly intelligent.

 

[Leros]

I think some of you haven't dealt with the poor ghetto thug type of people before. I went to school with these people, I worked in a factory with these people. They aren't terrible individuals, but they don't want to be helped. Their parents are just as bad as they are and their kids will be just as bad as them.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Modelworks


1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.

Actually this is incorrect. Intelligence is passed on by genes. Your IQ doesn't change, you're born with it. Education and intelligence are two different things.