Throckmorton
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You just described most of the middle class.. Debt fuelled, because wages have fallen in the last 8 years and prices have gone up.
You just described most of the middle class.. Debt fuelled, because wages have fallen in the last 8 years and prices have gone up.
Oceandevi
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Trying to answer a question like this will inevitably create a massive emotional uproar from people. But emotion doesn't always follow logic, and the things that cause these uproars don't have to make sense.
Speaking from a purely logical standpoint and ignoring any emotional influence the answer would be yes. If you simply removed emotion from your thought process and wanted a factually correct answer, you could probably break it down to numbers like you can for any other problem you want to solve and come up with a solution. However, that solution would not be socially acceptable even if it is factually correct.
An example would be poor vision. Long ago, having poor vision was nearly a death sentence. Someone with extremely poor vision wouldn't be able to hunt or find food. They'd depend on the assistance of others to survive and there would certainly be a social stigma surrounding someone who couldn't care for himself. Obviously that would decrease their chance of reproducing, since someone who couldn't care for themself wouldn't be as desirable as someone who can.
With the advent of glasses this was no longer a limiting factor. People with poor vision could now see almost as well as everybody else. At first, it seemed like this idea would help mankind. However, since it was no longer a limiting factor, people with poor vision were able to breed at about the same rate as everyone else, which increased the number of offspring with poor vision. This lead to what we have today, a society were a huge number of people need vision correction just to go about their normal lives. It has allowed poor genes to propagate.
Ok, but who is bringing up the children of poor parents? Those poor parents are! They are teaching their bad habits to their children.
FYI: it makes one sound like a high school kid when they bring up Nazi's every time they hear something that's not politically correct. It seems to be the extreme that they can't help but to bring up.
It is now ineffective as an argument tool since it's so incredibly overused.
If your family worked hard for what you had then I wouldn't group you in with the subject of this post. I'm referring to the drags on society which are people who are poor, require government subsidies to live, and do nothing to improve their situation.
The middle class is the middle class because they produce more than they take in. If they didn't, they'd be the lower class. Sure they have debt, but they're able to pay it off. Those who cannot are on their way to becoming poor.
It could, but you could figure out how much of a factor that is by comparing that group of people in one country to the same group in other countries. If you're talking about certain African descendants I wouldn't say that it's racism which is keeping them down, it's them. They're usually poor in every country which they reside in including their home continent.
- Aug 23, 2003
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Hitler already found a solution for this.
A 'final solution'.
The OP would be surprised to hear that he isn't the first person in history to attribute the economic struggles of a society on a particular class or people.
A 'final solution'.
The OP would be surprised to hear that he isn't the first person in history to attribute the economic struggles of a society on a particular class or people.
irishScott
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- Oct 10, 2006
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It's a shame that the more emotional people can't hold a rational argument and instead rely on emotional extremism.
Like I said in an earlier post, "it makes one sound like a high school kid when they bring up Nazi's every time they hear something that's not politically correct. It seems to be the extreme that they can't help but to bring up. It is now ineffective as an argument tool since it's so incredibly overused. "
You cannot compare this to Hitler because he was mainly trying to eliminate a group (Jews) who was very successful in his country and was a huge asset to Germany scientifically and industrially before he hatched his crazy plans.
I'm talking about deadbeats who don't contribute much of anything, and I'm not advocating killing them.
meltdown75
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- Nov 17, 2004
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hey, i think you missed the part where the OP pre-empted anyone using the Nazi example as sounding "like a high school kid"
Originally posted by: meltdown75
hey, i think you missed the part where the OP pre-empted anyone using the Nazi example as sounding "like a high school kid"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law
Seriously, relying on that lame tactic doesn't lend any credibility to an argument and is only used to dig up strong emotions instead of what the discussion really needs- rational thinking and reason.
I've met idiots and assholes in all walks of life (the OP being one example). The poor do not corner the market in that regard.
It's funny just how emotional much of the ATOT crowd is. It's not that surprising considering that most of them are still pretty young and have their hormones interrupting their thought process.
What about my post makes me an asshole? The fact that I'm talking about a subject or have viewpoints that offend you?
Most people don't like to discuss this issue in a rational manner, they prefer to make it a case of extremes so that they can make one side or the other look bad.
Politicians will not propose anything with teeth in a Democratic society because the "dumb masses" or whatever name it was that an earlier poster used to refer to them will vote them out. That is no different that how things tend to work for any other serious issue a Democracy faces, at least when the people refuse to put up with an instant of personal discomfort even though it might save them from a world of hurt down the road.
Politicians will not propose anything with teeth in a Democratic society because the "dumb masses" or whatever name it was that an earlier poster used to refer to them will vote them out. That is no different that how things tend to work for any other serious issue a Democracy faces, at least when the people refuse to put up with an instant of personal discomfort even though it might save them from a world of hurt down the road.
meltdown75
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- Nov 17, 2004
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Interesting reading. Check this one out:Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: meltdown75
hey, i think you missed the part where the OP pre-empted anyone using the Nazi example as sounding "like a high school kid"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law
Seriously, relying on that lame tactic doesn't lend any credibility to an argument and is only used to dig up strong emotions instead of what the discussion really needs- rational thinking and reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
Nothing emotional about my response, just pointing out a simple fact. I'm 48, traveled extensively and have met and interacted with a great deal of people covering a wide spectrum of the social strata, so I'll hazard a guess and say I've a bit more experience than you.
What makes me think you're an idiot? Pretty much everything you have spewed thus far in this thread.
Or perhaps you have an excuse. Being young and full of hormones does make you stupid, as you say.
SagaLore
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- Dec 18, 2001
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Both my wife and I have higher than average intelligence. I have neck/knee problems, but no cancers or heart problems in my family, and she's very healthy except for some teeth problems (I have naturally straight and cavity free teeth). So we've decided to have 50 babies. Gotta do our part to offset the genetic imbalance.
MidasKnight
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You are from the Planet Vulcan are you not ? Here is your new avatar :
Emotionless Vulcan
Blaming a class of people for a Country's woes and ill's is bigotry ... plane and simple.
Born2bwire
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- Oct 28, 2005
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Hahahah, the OP never fails to entertain me. He helps serve to remind us that idiocy and arrogance can be found anywhere in life.
You're a retard, being an idiot gives them a better chance of being poor, but being poor doesn't mean they're automatically idiots.
Idiots reproduce more often, that's the problem. It just happens that they're usually poor because they're idiots. There are idiots who are rich and pump out a kid every year, and there are poor couples who aren't idiots who don't breed at all, knowing full well they're not in a position to be procreating.
The idiots are even in this thread, and some of em' have kids!
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