Originally posted by: angminas
Originally posted by: Citrix
again, tell me where Jesus said being gay is a sin. SHOW ME!!!!
i dont understand your line of thinking. you said that being born gay (if its possible) is not a sin, but living gay is. hummm. so a person who is born gay its ok just as long as they dont do anything with the same sex. that pretty f*cked up man. how would you like it that since you were born Hetrosexual and you are very much attracted to women but you cant be with a woman because to do so is a sin, you have to be with men.
Yes people are born gay, and i mean true homosexuals not the people who claim to be BIsexual and are just satisfying their couriosity.
Jesus quoted from and validated the Old Testament dozens of times.
3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 4 But He answered and said, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Matthew 4. The Law such as in the Leviticus quote about homosexuality was told from God directly to Moses. It was words that proceeded from the mouth of God, and Jesus here says men are to live by such. If one doesn't think the Bible is God's word, there's not much point in arguing about how it all fits together. It's like putting together a puzzle with a picture of an elephant when you've never seen an elephant and refuse to believe they exist, then complaining that the pieces aren't making any recognizable picture.
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Matthew 5. Some parts of the OT have been FULFILLED, but none of it has been DESTROYED. The law against homosexual behavior is still binding. If it were not, some of my later quotes would be ridiculous and doctrinally false.
In Acts 9, Jesus appears to Saul (later renamed Paul) and tells Saul that he will be told what he must do. (As opposed to, just write whatever you want, and I'll let it slide, whether it's correct or not.) In this chapter Jesus says Saul is "a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel." Later this same Paul, being specifically chosen and guided by Jesus, wrote...
"27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." Romans 1. There's more in Romans on the subject.
"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. " 1Cor6. This is not referring to people who are born a certain way and have no choice or control- it's talking about people who know how to behave properly but still choose to do wrong. All homosexual activity is fornication.
"16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2Tim3. At the time Paul wrote this, the New Testament did not exist as such. He clearly says that you must obey the Old Testament to be a man of God. This was in the final letter he wrote, so it's not like he changed his mind later.
This is just a smattering of quotes...there's a lot more. Of course, a verse or two at a time are just that. It is possible to take them out of context and make them look like something they're not. And some people just can't understand the Bible at all.
I have been thankful many times that I was not born homosexual. I have enough problems as it is. I empathize with those who are put in that unenviable position. But I was given things that were wrong or difficult that I needed to overcome, and I have worked hard on them and made progress. This process and my many mistakes have taught me that it's not ok to just do what comes naturally, because when we act naturally, we hurt people. Do people born or raised with bad tempers get to yell and scream (or worse) just because it's difficult and unnatural for them to choose different behavior? Do addictive personalities get a free pass on alcoholism, since they have to completely break away from something they enjoy in order to control the situation? Children are born selfish and unable to understand the feelings of others...should we let them grow up like that so they can be "free" to worship themselves at the expense of others? Are we bigots, bad parents, small minded, control freaks, or crazy Nazi doctors if we teach our children to act how they ought instead of how they want?
NO. What's wrong is wrong, regardless of whether it's easy to change or whether we like it. God says clearly that homosexual behavior is a sin, and since He created the universe, He gets to make the rules. There are many good reasons besides.
Not all trials and difficulties are from God, but He does send some things to us to give us the opportunity to overcome who we used to be.
"2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing." James 1:2-4.
"3 The refining pot is for silver and the furnace for gold, But the Lord tests the hearts."
Proverbs 17:3.
We are not here to do whatever we feel like. Jesus didn't die horribly so we could lust, murder, envy, hate, or fornicate at will, as long as we say we're sorry every once in a while. He died so that we could have a chance to see what happens in a world where people live by their own laws, under the influence of Satan rather than God. We are here to learn to be more like Jesus...and Jesus obeys the word of the Lord.
So must any Christian.
