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K1052

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: MasonLuke
Originally posted by: MBrown
Homosexuality is a choice /thread.


Nobody chooses to be a homosexual;you are born homosexual. The same people that says homosexuality is a choice are the same ones saying the plane will fly. BAI below average intelligence.

I'm so sick of comments like these. The only thing you don't have a choice on is what types of impulses you have as a person initially. You damn well have a choice when it comes to acting on them.

I'll tell you right now I don't care one bit if people want to be homosexual or not. I don't agree with it, but it's their life, not mine. But they have as much choice on it as anyone else suffering from any other form of sexual desire or tendency. There is absolutely no difference between someone who is gay and someone with an over-active sex drive. Are you going to condone someone with an over-active sex drive committing adultery or screwing anything that moves? He can't help it right? He has no choice?

When I see any one of you ever start using the same argument to defend convicted sex felons and child molesters, then you might have a leg to stand on. Until then, just shut up. Any one who really doesn't want to act on homosexual tendencies has that ability.


There's a huge difference. Adultry or promiscuous sex hurt other people. Two gay people acting on the way they're wired hurts no one. It's a victimless act. What if I told you that you weren't allowed to have sex with a woman because it was wrong? You're splitting hairs over venacular.. of course you make the final choice, but you're not given a choice on the way you feel inside.

Oh bull crap. Family members are hurt, the person is hurt, the opportunity to have children naturally is hurt. Don't even try that lame excuse. People are hurt in the same way.

Should parents and other family members be hurt by someone being gay? Well hell, should the wife be hurt that her husband cheated on her? What's the difference. There's none. No difference at all.

Perhaps I am only splitting hairs, but the fact remains. Everyone has a choice. So the phrase "I don't have a choice" is flat out wrong.

So you advocate a totally celibate life for those who are attracted to the same sex (through what even you admit is no fault of their own) and that acting upon those beliefs is tantamount to adultery because of the pain it causes others?

The damage is done. The person in question can never have what you would claim a normal relationship is without it being a total sham, thus causing even more pain when it falls apart. Instead you propose that they be denied happiness in a way that harms no one any further than what nature/god/whatever has already done.







 

Amused

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Originally posted by: 40sTheme
Originally posted by: Amused
Try living a life in which YOU are frowned upon for your perfectly natural attractions.

Homosexuals should only be frowned on for the choice they made, but I don't like it when people express pure hatred for them...

There are the small minded bigots out there, though. As a Christian I believe it is a sin and that their desires are incorrect in the eyes of God, but I am not going to shun them from society. They should have the same rights every other person has.

Homosexuals no more chose to be gay than heterosexuals choose to be attracted to women. You cannot choose who you are attracted to.

 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: K1052
So you advocate a totally celibate life for those who are attracted to the same sex (through what even you admit is no fault of their own) and that acting upon those beliefs is tantamount to adultery because of the pain it causes others?

Have you even read a single post? That comment is a complete contradiction of both my points. Go back and read it again.

The damage is done. The person in question can never have what you would claim a normal relationship is without it being a total sham, thus causing even more pain when it falls apart. Instead you propose that they be denied happiness in a way that harms no one any further than what nature/god/whatever has already done.

What the hell are you reading? I haven't made a single claim, not one, that has anything to do with what I've said. I specifically said two things. Here, I'll even quote them again for you and you can try your reading skills once more.

I'll tell you right now I don't care one bit if people want to be homosexual or not. I don't agree with it, but it's their life, not mine.
I'm so sick of comments like these. The only thing you don't have a choice on is what types of impulses you have as a person initially. You damn well have a choice when it comes to acting on them.


 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Amused

Homosexuals no more chose to be gay than heterosexuals choose to be attracted to women. You cannot choose who you are attracted to.

Nope, but they do choose to act on those feelings, just as a heterosexual person may choose to act on the feelings he has for a woman. There is their choice. End of story.
 

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused

Try living a life in which YOU are frowned upon for your perfectly natural attractions.

What are you talking about? Adultery is frowned upon and is the result of a natural attraction between a man and a woman. That makes no sense.

Would you think living a life of celibacy is acceptable because small minded little bigots thought your attractions were "wrong?"

I love how idiots think it's just fine to demand and expect gays to live with no sex or intimacy with their preferred consenting adult partner simply because they "don't agree with it."

That has nothing to do with what I said. I made no such claim, nor would I. My claim is based only upon the idea of "I have no choice". It has no bearing on whether such activities are correct or proper. As I said, I don't agree with it, but what two consenting adults do in their bedroom is between them. I don't agree with S&M either, but it's the same thing.

Try turning the tables and ask yourself what your answer to that would be.

I find your attraction to women disgusting and I think you should control it by never having sex with a woman. :roll:

Again, I made no claim in that area. Please don't try putting words in my mouth.

I didn't put any words in your mouth. Your solution for gay people is for them to not have sex with their same sex partners... for which they are attracted to as naturally as you are attracted to your opposite sex partner.

They have no choice who they are attracted to. They no more choose to be attracted to the same sex than a heterosexual chooses to be attracted to the opposite sex.

And your solution is to deny them sex and intimacy with who they are attracted to. If they do act, they are wrong in your eyes. So you get to marry and have sex because you're straight. But they get to be lonely for the rest of their lives because you frown apon their perfectly natural and innate attraction to the same sex.

BTW, genius: Adultery is deceitful. Homosexuality is not. Homosexuals are capable of loving committed relationships between two adults just as heterosexuals are. Comparing them to adulterers is absurd.
 

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused

Homosexuals no more chose to be gay than heterosexuals choose to be attracted to women. You cannot choose who you are attracted to.

Nope, but they do choose to act on those feelings, just as a heterosexual person may choose to act on the feelings he has for a woman. There is their choice. End of story.

Yep, so why not let gays marry so we can promote loving committed relationships between them just as we do heterosexuals?

But no, your solution is to deny them ANY kind of happiness by forcing them to live a life of celibacy to appease your narrow view of the world.

So, again, how would YOU feel if society deemed sex with the opposite sex disgusting and made you feel guilty for wanting to marry and have sex with the partner of YOUR choice?
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused

Try living a life in which YOU are frowned upon for your perfectly natural attractions.

What are you talking about? Adultery is frowned upon and is the result of a natural attraction between a man and a woman. That makes no sense.

Would you think living a life of celibacy is acceptable because small minded little bigots thought your attractions were "wrong?"

I love how idiots think it's just fine to demand and expect gays to live with no sex or intimacy with their preferred consenting adult partner simply because they "don't agree with it."

That has nothing to do with what I said. I made no such claim, nor would I. My claim is based only upon the idea of "I have no choice". It has no bearing on whether such activities are correct or proper. As I said, I don't agree with it, but what two consenting adults do in their bedroom is between them. I don't agree with S&M either, but it's the same thing.

Try turning the tables and ask yourself what your answer to that would be.

I find your attraction to women disgusting and I think you should control it by never having sex with a woman. :roll:

Again, I made no claim in that area. Please don't try putting words in my mouth.

I didn't put any words in your mouth. Your solution for gay people is for them to not have sex with their same sex partners... for which they are attracted to as naturally as you are attracted to your opposite sex partner.

They have no choice who they are attracted to. They no more choose to be attracted to the same sex than a heterosexual chooses to be attracted to the opposite sex.

And your solution is to deny them sex and intimacy with who they are attracted to. If they do act, they are wrong in your eyes. So you get to marry and have sex because you're straight. But they get to be lonely for the rest of their lives because you frown apon their perfectly natural and innate attraction to the same sex.

BTW, genius: Adultery is deceitful. Homosexuality is not. Homosexuals are capable of loving committed relationships between two adults just as heterosexuals are. Comparing them to adulterers is absurd.

I don't have, nor propose, any "solution" for gay people. As I have said over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again.

I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU'RE GAY OR NOT. I FLAT OUT DON'T CARE!!! SCREW A FREAKIN TREE IF YOU WANT! I DON'T CARE.

Now, as soon as you can understand that very simple paragraph and shut up about proposed 'solutions', I'll read the rest of your comments. Until then, you're just being stupid. You're ignoring the fact and trying to change the subject because you know you have no argument.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused

Homosexuals no more chose to be gay than heterosexuals choose to be attracted to women. You cannot choose who you are attracted to.

Nope, but they do choose to act on those feelings, just as a heterosexual person may choose to act on the feelings he has for a woman. There is their choice. End of story.

Yep, so why not let gays marry so we can promote loving committed relationships between them just as we do heterosexuals?

But no, your solution is to deny them ANY kind of happiness by forcing them to live a life of celibacy to appease your narrow view of the world.

So, again, how would YOU feel if society deemed sex with the opposite sex disgusting and made you feel guilty for wanting to marry and have sex with the partner of YOUR choice?

I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it. I don't agree with it, but it's their choice.

Now, if you want to talk about choice, feel free.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused

Try living a life in which YOU are frowned upon for your perfectly natural attractions.

What are you talking about? Adultery is frowned upon and is the result of a natural attraction between a man and a woman. That makes no sense.

Would you think living a life of celibacy is acceptable because small minded little bigots thought your attractions were "wrong?"

I love how idiots think it's just fine to demand and expect gays to live with no sex or intimacy with their preferred consenting adult partner simply because they "don't agree with it."

That has nothing to do with what I said. I made no such claim, nor would I. My claim is based only upon the idea of "I have no choice". It has no bearing on whether such activities are correct or proper. As I said, I don't agree with it, but what two consenting adults do in their bedroom is between them. I don't agree with S&M either, but it's the same thing.

Try turning the tables and ask yourself what your answer to that would be.

I find your attraction to women disgusting and I think you should control it by never having sex with a woman. :roll:

Again, I made no claim in that area. Please don't try putting words in my mouth.

I didn't put any words in your mouth. Your solution for gay people is for them to not have sex with their same sex partners... for which they are attracted to as naturally as you are attracted to your opposite sex partner.

They have no choice who they are attracted to. They no more choose to be attracted to the same sex than a heterosexual chooses to be attracted to the opposite sex.

And your solution is to deny them sex and intimacy with who they are attracted to. If they do act, they are wrong in your eyes. So you get to marry and have sex because you're straight. But they get to be lonely for the rest of their lives because you frown apon their perfectly natural and innate attraction to the same sex.

BTW, genius: Adultery is deceitful. Homosexuality is not. Homosexuals are capable of loving committed relationships between two adults just as heterosexuals are. Comparing them to adulterers is absurd.

I don't have, nor propose, any "solution" for gay people. As I have said over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again.

I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU'RE GAY OR NOT. I FLAT OUT DON'T CARE!!! SCREW A FREAKIN TREE IF YOU WANT! I DON'T CARE.

Now, as soon as you can understand that very simple paragraph and shut up about proposed 'solutions', I'll read the rest of your comments. Until then, you're just being stupid. You're ignoring the fact and trying to change the subject because you know you have no argument.

Oh knock it off. Your way out of condemning gay people is to "blame them for the act" instead of accuse them of choosing to be gay. Your words betray you, as much as you'd like to deny it.

You can call me names and insult me all you like. But your posts comparing gays to adulterers and such give away your absurd bias.

BTW, I'm not gay. Nice assumtion though. :roll:
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused

Homosexuals no more chose to be gay than heterosexuals choose to be attracted to women. You cannot choose who you are attracted to.

Nope, but they do choose to act on those feelings, just as a heterosexual person may choose to act on the feelings he has for a woman. There is their choice. End of story.

Yep, so why not let gays marry so we can promote loving committed relationships between them just as we do heterosexuals?

But no, your solution is to deny them ANY kind of happiness by forcing them to live a life of celibacy to appease your narrow view of the world.

So, again, how would YOU feel if society deemed sex with the opposite sex disgusting and made you feel guilty for wanting to marry and have sex with the partner of YOUR choice?

I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it. I don't agree with it, but it's their choice.

Now, if you want to talk about choice, feel free.

What is there not to agree with? Why should you care what two loving committed adults do with each other when they are NATURALLY attracted to each other?

Just because you are naturally attracte to the opposite sex does NOT mean you have to "disagree" with people who are naturally attracted to the same sex. What next? Will you "disagree" with men who are attracted to women you find ugly?
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Amused
Oh knock it off. Your way out of condemning gay people is to "blame them for the act" instead of accuse them of choosing to be gay. Your words betray you, as much as you'd like to deny it.

Are you retarded? You really can't read, can you? Or are you just obsessed with the idea that everyone hates gays?

You can call me names and insult me all you like. But your posts comparing gays to adulterers and such give away your absurd bias.

BTW, I'm not gay. Nice assumtion though. :roll:

Ok, I guess we can add 'delusional' to the list. I never thought for a second you were gay, so I have no idea where the hell that came from. As for name calling, if 'stupid' is the worst name you get called after making comments like you have, I'd feel pretty good if I were you.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Amused
What is there not to agree with? Why should you care what two loving committed adults do with each other when they are NATURALLY attracted to each other?

Just because you are naturally attracte to the opposite sex does NOT mean you have to "disagree" with people who are naturally attracted to the same sex. What next? Will you "disagree" with men who are attracted to women you find ugly?

Didn't get it before? Here, I'll repeat it again.

I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused
Oh knock it off. Your way out of condemning gay people is to "blame them for the act" instead of accuse them of choosing to be gay. Your words betray you, as much as you'd like to deny it.

Are you retarded? You really can't read, can you? Or are you just obsessed with the idea that everyone hates gays?

You can call me names and insult me all you like. But your posts comparing gays to adulterers and such give away your absurd bias.

BTW, I'm not gay. Nice assumtion though. :roll:

Ok, I guess we can add 'delusional' to the list. I never thought for a second you were gay, so I have no idea where the hell that came from. As for name calling, if 'stupid' is the worst name you get called after making comments like you have, I'd feel pretty good if I were you.

Delusional?

I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU'RE GAY OR NOT. I FLAT OUT DON'T CARE!!! SCREW A FREAKIN TREE IF YOU WANT! I DON'T CARE.

You wrote that is response to me, genius.

And more insults, I see. Go back and read your posts. My comments are perfectly appropriate to what you have said.

Hell, it's obvious you have a problem even remembering what you say.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused
What is there not to agree with? Why should you care what two loving committed adults do with each other when they are NATURALLY attracted to each other?

Just because you are naturally attracte to the opposite sex does NOT mean you have to "disagree" with people who are naturally attracted to the same sex. What next? Will you "disagree" with men who are attracted to women you find ugly?

Didn't get it before? Here, I'll repeat it again.

I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.
I'm not getting into gay marriage or how proper homosexuality is. I've said all I care to say about it.

Wow...

There is a thread about schizophrenia and drug abuse currently active. Maybe you should be posting in there.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused
Oh knock it off. Your way out of condemning gay people is to "blame them for the act" instead of accuse them of choosing to be gay. Your words betray you, as much as you'd like to deny it.

Are you retarded? You really can't read, can you? Or are you just obsessed with the idea that everyone hates gays?

You can call me names and insult me all you like. But your posts comparing gays to adulterers and such give away your absurd bias.

BTW, I'm not gay. Nice assumtion though. :roll:

Ok, I guess we can add 'delusional' to the list. I never thought for a second you were gay, so I have no idea where the hell that came from. As for name calling, if 'stupid' is the worst name you get called after making comments like you have, I'd feel pretty good if I were you.

Delusional?

I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU'RE GAY OR NOT. I FLAT OUT DON'T CARE!!! SCREW A FREAKIN TREE IF YOU WANT! I DON'T CARE.

You wrote that is response to me, genius.

And more insults, I see. Go back and read your posts. My comments are perfectly appropriate to what you have said.

Hell, it's obvious you have a problem even remembering what you say.

Really? Point out to me, quote me even, where I even gestured or insinuated that you might be gay. If you can, I'll apologize for the delusional name. Until then, you're delusional.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused
Oh knock it off. Your way out of condemning gay people is to "blame them for the act" instead of accuse them of choosing to be gay. Your words betray you, as much as you'd like to deny it.

Are you retarded? You really can't read, can you? Or are you just obsessed with the idea that everyone hates gays?

You can call me names and insult me all you like. But your posts comparing gays to adulterers and such give away your absurd bias.

BTW, I'm not gay. Nice assumtion though. :roll:

Ok, I guess we can add 'delusional' to the list. I never thought for a second you were gay, so I have no idea where the hell that came from. As for name calling, if 'stupid' is the worst name you get called after making comments like you have, I'd feel pretty good if I were you.

Delusional?

I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU'RE GAY OR NOT. I FLAT OUT DON'T CARE!!! SCREW A FREAKIN TREE IF YOU WANT! I DON'T CARE.

You wrote that is response to me, genius.

And more insults, I see. Go back and read your posts. My comments are perfectly appropriate to what you have said.

Hell, it's obvious you have a problem even remembering what you say.

Really? Point out to me, quote me even, where I even gestured or insinuated that you might be gay. If you can, I'll apologize for the delusional name. Until then, you're delusional.

I did in the post you just quoted.

Dude, you have serious issues. Gay people are the LEAST of your worries.
 

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Nobody chooses to be a homosexual;you are born homosexual. The same people that says homosexuality is a choice are the same ones saying the plane will fly. BAI below average intelligence.

I'm so sick of comments like these. The only thing you don't have a choice on is what types of impulses you have as a person initially. You damn well have a choice when it comes to acting on them.

I'll tell you right now I don't care one bit if people want to be homosexual or not. I don't agree with it, but it's their life, not mine. But they have as much choice on it as anyone else suffering from any other form of sexual desire or tendency. There is absolutely no difference between someone who is gay and someone with an over-active sex drive. Are you going to condone someone with an over-active sex drive committing adultery or screwing anything that moves? He can't help it right? He has no choice?

When I see any one of you ever start using the same argument to defend convicted sex felons and child molesters, then you might have a leg to stand on. Until then, just shut up. Any one who really doesn't want to act on homosexual tendencies has that ability.


Here is your response to the original quote. Of course people have a choice to act or not act. I could choose to be a priest and be celibate (no pun intended here). It looks to me that the original quote was saying that noone chooses what sex to be attracted to NOT that noone has a choice in who they have sex with. So your response to me (and I am sure others) sounded like people have a choice in being homosexual or not. This leads to the question of whether or not you would still engage in relationships (acting on your attraction) with the opposite sex if society deemed that wrong?

Edit: If that is not what MasonLuke meant then he can come and correct it.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Amused
I did in the post you just quoted.

Dude, you have serious issues. Gay people are the LEAST of your worries.

As I have said over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again.

I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU'RE GAY OR NOT. I FLAT OUT DON'T CARE!!! SCREW A FREAKIN TREE IF YOU WANT! I DON'T CARE.

Now, considering I have said that over and over again, as I said in the quote, and have said it to many people other than you, how in the hell could a sane, logic person come to the conclusion that I was specifically reference you?

You're really grasping for straws, aren't you? Give it a rest.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Amused
I did in the post you just quoted.

Dude, you have serious issues. Gay people are the LEAST of your worries.

As I have said over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again.

I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU'RE GAY OR NOT. I FLAT OUT DON'T CARE!!! SCREW A FREAKIN TREE IF YOU WANT! I DON'T CARE.

Now, considering I have said that over and over again, as I said in the quote, and have said it to many people other than you, how in the hell could a sane, logic person come to the conclusion that I was specifically reference you?

You're really grasping for straws, aren't you? Give it a rest.

Because you said "you?"

Dude, the only grasping here is being done by you.
 

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Tegeril
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Tegeril
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I believe that homosexuality is a choice because I believe the Bible, in full, is God's word. I don't hate homosexuals as people, but I absolutely despise and loath their lifestyle. Of course, since my opinion is politically incorrect, conflicts with modern science, and offends most people, I will be attacked by ad hominems, insulting my character, integrity, and intelligence.

But why do you despise and loathe someone else's lifestyle? I don't understand the infatuation with other peoples' lives.

If you really think that, or need me to answer that question for you then I don't know what to say.
Does not compute.

I'm sure when the idea of homosexuality comes to RapidSnail's mind, certain unappealing thoughts and images stand out.
But, you are not born despising and loathing. That is something you are taught, or choose to embrace. It's a decision he made based on what he was taught.

You're misunderstanding. I don't dwell on the thoughts of homosexual practices at all, I just don't like what I believe to be a perversion, men with men. Remember, it's all based on the Bible, so if you don't believe it, I'm considered a bigot. I'm not going to go to rallies and boycott gay people, but I will not support them when it comes time to make a decision regarding those types of issues because I believe it is wrong. I don't have anything against you as people, but I am strongly repulsed by your lifestyle [men with men]. My stance is that of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" mentality.

I am pretty good at understanding the views of other people, but I cannot for the life of me understand why "because it's in the bible" should ever be an answer to a personal question.

I understand what you are. You are repulsed. I understand what you believe. You believe it's a perversion.
I just want to understand why.
If it's all based on the bible, it's all based on choice. You are choosing to believe the bible and accept its practices.

So in essence, you are choosing to accept that homosexuality is a sin to be accepted into heaven?

Zyso, my entire faith is rooted in the Bible. My choices in life are always influenced by what I believe in. The Bible makes it very very clear that homosexuality is a sin by God's standards. That is the only reason I have for hating homosexuality. Of course I realize there are many homosexuals in the world, and I am not going to go out of my way to shove anything down their throat, but I will let it be known, when required, that I do not support their lifestyle in anyway. Again, I don't hate the person, just the sin.

And no, if a Christian wants to accept homosexuality as a part of nature, God will not revoke their salvation. The only thing required to be saved is that you accept Christ as Savior. You cannot lose your salvation.
 

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Originally posted by: Platypus
People like that have no answers to your questions Z, I've tried for years to get the same question answered from a great many more men.

Check again ;).
 

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
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You're misunderstanding. I don't dwell on the thoughts of homosexual practices at all, I just don't like what I believe to be a perversion, men with men. Remember, it's all based on the Bible, so if you don't believe it, I'm considered a bigot. I'm not going to go to rallies and boycott gay people, but I will not support them when it comes time to make a decision regarding those types of issues because I believe it is wrong. I don't have anything against you as people, but I am strongly repulsed by your lifestyle [men with men]. My stance is that of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" mentality.
But women with women is just fine, right? ;)

I think you understand.
 

SilthDraeth

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
It must be wonderful to be born with all these "natural" tendencies that fit in with societal beliefs, that way you can take the easy way out and just preach against those that you believe are unnatural.

Also, why do people believe that the Bible is actually the word of God? Has there been any significant proof they aren't the words of ancient politicians? Do you think the Bible is somehow the only infallible text?

It is nice to be BORN with "natural" tendencies. It sure as hell makes choices easier. You support the origin of this thread that people are born with gay tendencies.

As for why people believe in the Bible, it is because they have Faith. If it is wrong, they have lost nothing, if it is right they have earned salvation. *shrug*
 

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Platypus
People like that have no answers to your questions Z, I've tried for years to get the same question answered from a great many more men.

Check again ;).

Your answer basically said that the only reason who believe homosexual practices are wrong is because the Bible said so. In other words, you can find no fault with homosexuality outside of the Bible. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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Amused: You are wrong.

engineereeyore was talking about choice.

He was arguing against people saying they have no choice. Which, the answer, "I had no choice to engage in anal sex with that guy because I am gay." is a misnomer. You always have a choice. Whether or not it is an easy choice is another matter. Whether or not there was a right or wrong choice is another matter. But know that every single choice you ever make in your life will be judged by: Yourself, your friends, your family, your city, state, country, the world, society as a whole, and if you believe in God, then by him as well, and obviously by him if he exists even if you don't believe.

engineereeyore only stated that he believes homosexuality is wrong, but made no attempt to say all inclusively that it is or isn't right. engineereeyore probably believes having sex with fat chicks is wrong too. I doubt all the guys that love fat girls would accuse him of slandering them. You don't have a choice for how you are born, but for every action you take, whether its sexual or not is a choice you make.