News Friday night news - Barr Announces US. Attorney For SDNY to step down.

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Hayabusa Rider

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This is absolutely screaming ‘I am about to indict someone inconvenient’.

So now we know the attorney general flat out lied to the country, yet again. Barr must be investigated and prosecuted by Biden if he wins.

I suspect that an investigation is already ongoing for Barr, Rudy and probably Trump. Once Trump is out then none of the three are safe. It would be a wonderful October surprise if we were to see something from the SDNY. On second thought have it all tied up and ready to roll at 12:01 PM on 1/20/2021.
 

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I suspect that an investigation is already ongoing for Barr, Rudy and probably Trump. Once Trump is out then none of the three are safe. It would be a wonderful October surprise if we were to see something from the SDNY. On second thought have it all tied up and ready to roll at 12:01 PM on 1/20/2021.
I hope so, although I would bet every dollar I have that Trump engages in mass pardons if he loses. I would not be surprised if he pardons every senior official in the executive branch along with himself and his whole family.
 

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"He's leaving."

"Like hell I am."

"Ok he's fired."

"Nope, job's mine by law until Senate confirms replacement."

Seriously doubt this will make the traitors Barr and Trump just sit back and say oh well. I hope the contents of Berman's office have been relocated to a secure location before the goons show up to collect.

Berman says "nope" and takes it to court as it was the courts, not Trump, who appointed him. By mid-2021 this ought to be resolved. As far as a Watergate scenario, there are going to be encrypted multiple copies galore, all under Berman's control. There are some techniques that would require quantum computers which Trump isn't likely to have. If I were Berman I'd have a mechanism where all of this would be mailed to every major news site including overseas with the decryption key.
 
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I hope so, although I would bet every dollar I have that Trump engages in mass pardons if he loses. I would not be surprised if he pardons every senior official in the executive branch along with himself and his whole family.

I'm sort of amused you think he cares a whit about anybody besides himself. There is nothing in it for him to pardon anybody outside his family that works in the building. All those officials, Barr included, will be left to twist.
 

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I hope so, although I would bet every dollar I have that Trump engages in mass pardons if he loses. I would not be surprised if he pardons every senior official in the executive branch along with himself and his whole family.

Trump would have to give mass pardons for things that aren't known even by him as there's always something. It's unlikely that the SCOTUS would recognize a pardon that benefits a criminal President as valid and if it did take then everyone has to testify and while they might refuse due to self incrimination, if any pardoned crimes were associated with a location where they were also illegal then they are screwed anyway. As an example, Rudy likely broke the law along with Trump and perhaps Barr subject to NY prosecution. Also the SDNY can give the NY AG all relevant material if they wish. I don't see a way out if the will to prosecute exists. If Biden goes with "healing and forgiveness", the SDNY does not have to go along just like they needn't with Trump.

As I'm sure you know the SDNY has a "fsck all, we're getting those bastards" attitude of which I approve.
 

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Berman says "nope" and takes it to court as it was the courts, not Trump, who appointed him. By mid-2021 this ought to be resolved. As far as a Watergate scenario, there are going to be encrypted multiple copies galore, all under Berman's control. There are some techniques that would require quantum computers which Trump isn't likely to have. If I were Berman I'd have a mechanism where all of this would be mailed to every major news site including overseas with the decryption key.
Oh yes I definitely agree. Whatever they were investigating that made Barr try to remove him you can be sure they are doubling down and moving as fast as possible now. If Barr does successfully thwart it I expect the details to be leaked.
 

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I'm sort of amused you think he cares a whit about anybody besides himself. There is nothing in it for him to pardon anybody outside his family that works in the building. All those officials, Barr included, will be left to twist.
Maybe you’re right, although I expect more pardons than that just because they don’t cost him anything.
 

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Trump would have to give mass pardons for things that aren't known even by him as there's always something. It's unlikely that the SCOTUS would recognize a pardon that benefits a criminal President as valid and if it did take then everyone has to testify and while they might refuse due to self incrimination, if any pardoned crimes were associated with a location where they were also illegal then they are screwed anyway. As an example, Rudy likely broke the law along with Trump and perhaps Barr subject to NY prosecution. Also the SDNY can give the NY AG all relevant material if they wish. I don't see a way out if the will to prosecute exists. If Biden goes with "healing and forgiveness", the SDNY does not have to go along just like they needn't with Trump.

As I'm sure you know the SDNY has a "fsck all, we're getting those bastards" attitude of which I approve.
Yes, I agree that Trump can’t escape the law if people are committed to upholding it. I do think it will be hard for SDNY specifically to nail him though.
 

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I'm sort of amused you think he cares a whit about anybody besides himself. There is nothing in it for him to pardon anybody outside his family that works in the building. All those officials, Barr included, will be left to twist.

Let's look at that. If Barr were to not be pardoned then he can be prosecuted without any problem. He'd likely do a plea to get a bigger fish, namely Trump. As Trump screwed him and Barr likely would be looking as substantial time, it would be in Trump's interest to pardon. That requires simple reasoning by Trump to understand so there's about a 50/50 chance at him working that out.
 

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Yes, I agree that Trump can’t escape the law if people are committed to upholding it. I do think it will be hard for SDNY specifically to nail him though.
If Biden or the Dems obstruct, then yes. The Republicans have a real chance of not being in power after this election as Trump has pretty much pissed a substantial number of Independents leaning "Not Trump" and coattails matter
 

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Let's look at that. If Barr were to not be pardoned then he can be prosecuted without any problem. He'd likely do a plea to get a bigger fish, namely Trump. As Trump screwed him and Barr likely would be looking as substantial time, it would be in Trump's interest to pardon. That requires simple reasoning by Trump to understand so there's about a 50/50 chance at him working that out.

Assuming Trump pardoned himself for all crimes Barr's threat would be mooted.

When Trump was bemoaning Sessions and wanted his "Roy Cohn" I truly wonder if Barr actually looked up what happened to Roy Cohn before taking the job.
 

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Everyone needs to realize THIS is what the Tulsa rally, and the incitement to violence at the rally was, and is supposed to cover up.

A juicy rally with violent protesters will kill this boring story in the news cycle.

The rally was supposed to be yesterday for this very reason.
 

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Assuming Trump pardoned himself for all crimes Barr's threat would be mooted.

When Trump was bemoaning Sessions and wanted his "Roy Cohn" I truly wonder if Barr actually looked up what happened to Roy Cohn before taking the job.
I don't think a President can pardon himself. He would have to resign and have Pence agree to do it.
 

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Assuming Trump pardoned himself for all crimes Barr's threat would be mooted.

When Trump was bemoaning Sessions and wanted his "Roy Cohn" I truly wonder if Barr actually looked up what happened to Roy Cohn before taking the job.

Self pardon would not be upheld. Kavanagh and Thomas would say yes and everyone else nope. Trump would be violating a key founding principle that no one should serve as a judge in his own defense. Gorsuch for one would Flay Trump alive. I've seen reports that Graham won't seek replacement unless two Dems side with him.
 

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Yes, I agree that Trump can’t escape the law if people are committed to upholding it. I do think it will be hard for SDNY specifically to nail him though.
SDNY can nail everyone around Trump including family members
 

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Everyone needs to realize THIS is what the Tulsa rally, and the incitement to violence at the rally was, and is supposed to cover up.

A juicy rally with violent protesters will kill this boring story in the news cycle.

The rally was supposed to be yesterday for this very reason.
This is not going away, news cycles and rallies notwithstanding. When Preet was replaced by this guy he said Trump picked the wrong guy to protect Donnie. Seems his prediction was right.
 

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This is not going away, news cycles and rallies notwithstanding. When Preet was replaced by this guy he said Trump picked the wrong guy to protect Donnie. Seems his prediction was right.
I’m glad to see there are still some Republicans with integrity. I also wonder if people smell blood in the water. Trump’s tanking in the polls, people are dropping dimes on him left and right, etc. Seems like they might be wagering there’s not much to fear anymore.
 

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SDNY can nail everyone around Trump including family members
Trump too after noon on 1/20. At that moment every one could be presented with an indictment but that's not likely, just my sense of humor, irony and justice rising up to the moment.
 

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Everyone needs to realize THIS is what the Tulsa rally, and the incitement to violence at the rally was, and is supposed to cover up.

A juicy rally with violent protesters will kill this boring story in the news cycle.

The rally was supposed to be yesterday for this very reason.
I disagree, I have yet to see proof Trump is competent enough to plan anything.
 

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Let's look at that. If Barr were to not be pardoned then he can be prosecuted without any problem. He'd likely do a plea to get a bigger fish, namely Trump. As Trump screwed him and Barr likely would be looking as substantial time, it would be in Trump's interest to pardon. That requires simple reasoning by Trump to understand so there's about a 50/50 chance at him working that out.

He'll work it out. Someone will explain it to him. Like Barr himself.
 
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Is this the latest Russia-gate nothing-burger you guys are all frothing at the mouth over?

Carry on. :D

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fskimospy

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Is this the latest Russia-gate nothing-burger you guys are all frothing at the mouth over?

Carry on. :D

It’s weird that you keep saying this considering the investigation proved all of us correct, haha. Trump’s campaign was colluding with the Russians and we have it in writing by his own son!

It’s just incredible how delusional some people are where massively reported obvious facts just don’t exist to them.