Forza 3 Enduro Race Series -- Round UNO

[ivan2]

Alright i realized i need to vote for something so here it is:

1) Select a night that would work best for you. Keep in mind Wednesday is ineligible due to the normal Wednesday night races.

Any day will do as long as it's not weekends or it doesn't end after 11PM EST/EDT whichever is applicable

2) Car rules: Power / Weight Ratio (Y/N)? Limit the cars to a select few or allow any A600 build?

I prefer other restrictions purposed RWD car, min weight, etc. Too many cars to choose from with power/weight ratio, and who's going to say what's the right power/weight ratio. Limit a list of cars will also help ease the pain.



3) Instead of adjusting PI or even HP/weight should the next race adjust the start time based on the previous race's finish as in delaying the winner an amount of time letting slower drivers start sooner?

If you adjust the start time then the PI can be left alone

4) Since there are WAY more tracks this time around, send me your favorite track that you would like to see in the list. Plan on having 8-10 rounds for the first season.

i like mugello

5) How's everyone feel about a 500K entry fee?

i would like to forward you to blowfish to collect my entrance fee as he's gonna distribute last season's payout. (it means i don't wanna pay entry fee lol)

6) How many races total? Every week, every other week?
ill say 6 per season should be great, i think we lost many people when we had 8 last time and we only ran like 7.

 

[Supermercado]

Sorry I've been MIA from this thread/discussion in the FM3 thread. I am interested in enduro night, though.

1) Select a night that would work best for you. Keep in mind Wednesday is ineligible due to the normal Wednesday night races.
I'm pretty open most nights but I'd rather not race Monday due to Chuck and 24 as mentioned last night Weekends outside of maybe Sunday night would be hit or miss.

2) Car rules: Power / Weight Ratio (Y/N)? Limit the cars to a select few or allow any A600 build?
I think it should be limited to either a select few that we've tested and figured out are balanced and there's not a clear cut car that will dominate the field, or a power/weight ratio. I like the idea of power/weight but I think I agree with Famous in that there'd be a ton of cars to choose from and it might make it tough to figure out what's right, etc. I think a lot of us are pressed for time so making it as easy as possible to participate would be good. I also kind of am inclined to go with a single build for the season so that we don't have to have a car for Sebring, a car for Suzuka, a car for Sebring, etc. You'd have to build an all-around car that would do you right everywhere. Dunno about that one, though.

3) Instead of adjusting PI or even HP/weight should the next race adjust the start time based on the previous race's finish as in delaying the winner an amount of time letting slower drivers start sooner?
I think we can adjust the start times, yes. That should be interesting. I'm all for it so long as Waldo and Famous have like a 5 minute delay

4) Since there are WAY more tracks this time around, send me your favorite track that you would like to see in the list. Plan on having 8-10 rounds for the first season.
I suspect we'll probably run Laguna Seca regardless so I'll go with Sebring.

5) Prize/Entry free removed. No need as pointed out.
Agreed.

6) How many races total? Every week, every other week?
6 to 8, I think. If we each get to contribute a track to race at, I'd be okay with running a race for each participant in the series.

Edit: Put me in for #54.

Edit 2: I saw earlier in the thread where there's a lot more options for multiplayer settings. I know there's the rolloff delay. Can you also set the start order from the lobby options? I like the idea of a rolloff delay but I think it should be based on total season points rather than the previous race. If you can't set the start order from the lobby, we should look at running a single lap race and finishing in the appropriate order according to season points (like we did when we did qualifying in the previous enduros). I think I like that idea better than just according to the result of the previous race. That has a lot of a what have you done for me lately kind of feel.

 

[Lotheron]

I've been meaning to verify, but I believe you can set start times at least by a team basis. I think you can have up to four teams, so I think we can have 4 different staggered starts. If for say someone is 3 minutes faster over an hour than someone else, they can start 3 minutes behind so that by the end it's all even. I think using the start time as a fine tune (if possible in the way we're thinking) would be a very good way to keep the field as even as possible. Sorry to those of you that are faster and have to wait each race at the start line


Since we can't decide on car choice, lets get everyone to submit their car in the next week or so and lets do some racing to determine how close they are. Last night our spec races were about 1-4 seconds (per lap) difference on most tracks between the top of the field and the bottom of the field, so using that as a skill judge, we can be somewhere between 0-5 seconds (per lap) for margin of error and still be within spec (for B class of course). We can make up for those seconds using a adjusted start time. 5 seconds over 25 laps = 2minutes and 5 seconds start time behind. We can fine tune this of course to see where we need to be as far as keeping it even.

 

[Abel007]

Its time to start making some concrete decisions with this and get the cars rolling.

Loth, its not a big deal if it makes for even racing. The only issue I see with that is each race is a different track. 3 minutes on Tsukuba is way different than 3 minutes on Nurburgring.

 

[ivan2]

next wed is my pick and i want us to test enduro cars, pick whichever car you like from whatever list we end up come up with, and run about 5-6 laps on each grand prix track + tsukuba and laguna the 2 RAs.

 

[Lotheron]

Its time to start making some concrete decisions with this and get the cars rolling.

Loth, its not a big deal if it makes for even racing. The only issue I see with that is each race is a different track. 3 minutes on Tsukuba is way different than 3 minutes on Nurburgring.

I agree. Lets do it!

 

[Abel007]

My vote would be A600, costs less than $40,000 US. RWD only. Full aero required. http://bit.ly/ayzWpx for a list of cars. Thoughts? Opinions?

 

[ivan2]

waldo i can't really see that page due to firewall, can you post the list here?

 

[Kabob]

Its time to start making some concrete decisions with this and get the cars rolling.

I agree, especially if we're testing 'em next week.

My vote would be A600, costs less than $40,000 US. RWD only. Full aero required.

A600, RWD, full aero I'm good with. Cost < $40K not so much though...that kills off the "sports cars" idea, although if you all really wanna axe it I suppose I'll suffer through, although it negates all the testing famous and Loth have been doing the past few days.

 

[Kabob]

waldo i can't really see that page due to firewall, can you post the list here?

It's a spreadsheet. What's your email, I can send it to ya.

-Chris

 

[ivan2]

they blocked personal emails too, but i found the list here from bing (google is no use lol)

http://forza.norm302.com/fm3/

 

[brblx]

i'd be up for this, i can only do evenings on thursday or saturday, unless you guys are playing at 11PM EST or later.

are you seriously not going to limit engine position? if the only qualifier is RWD A600, ferraris and porsches are going to rape.

 

[Abel007]

I agree, especially if we're testing 'em next week.



A600, RWD, full aero I'm good with. Cost < $40K not so much though...that kills off the "sports cars" idea, although if you all really wanna axe it I suppose I'll suffer through, although it negates all the testing famous and Loth have been doing the past few days.

I am just throwing out ideas Ty. Trying to get the info out there and let the rules start flowing. The point to the less than $40k idea was to limit the supercars like the Lambos from dominating the series. I have no problem with making it $100k or doing away with it altogether. There needs to be some kind of cap or it will just be who has the most money and can test the cars the most. I don't even really care if the cars are AWD, RWD, FWD, LWD. I just know the AWD cars seem overpowered.

 

[Abel007]

i'd be up for this, i can only do evenings on thursday or saturday, unless you guys are playing at 11PM EST or later.

are you seriously not going to limit engine position? if the only qualifier is RWD A600, ferraris and porsches are going to rape.

We are ironing out the rules now. If you have any ideas toss em out and we'll include them in the fray!

 

[ivan2]

i am trying to figure out what cars can be driven in the sub 40k category, so far it seems the SC430s, MR2s and maybe some old supra could be in the sweet spot of this.

 

[Lotheron]

i am trying to figure out what cars can be driven in the sub 40k category, so far it seems the SC430s, MR2s and maybe some old supra could be in the sweet spot of this.

I'm not sure how many would agree on such a low number anyway. Do we really need to be this restrictive? If that's the case we should go spec and take care of it all.

 

[Kabob]

are you seriously not going to limit engine position? if the only qualifier is RWD A600, ferraris and porsches are going to rape.

In the grand scheme of things engine position isn't as important as you'd think.

Just the way the game is set up AWD is the end-all, be-all.

I am just throwing out ideas Ty. Trying to get the info out there and let the rules start flowing. The point to the less than $40k idea was to limit the supercars like the Lambos from dominating the series. I have no problem with making it $100k or doing away with it altogether. There needs to be some kind of cap or it will just be who has the most money and can test the cars the most. I don't even really care if the cars are AWD, RWD, FWD, LWD. I just know the AWD cars seem overpowered.

I don't think money matters much. If a Ferrari part is 3x the cost of a part for a 350Z but they do the same thing does it really matter?

I hoped to run a Porsche and I promise you buying an engine part for one of 'em is going to cost more than for some of the other cars, less than maybe the Ferrari's and Lambo's.

 

[Kabob]

I'm not sure how many would agree on such a low number anyway. Do we really need to be this restrictive? If that's the case we should go spec and take care of it all.

I do not like it, personally. If it's just a money cap I'm going to pick the cheapest cars and pick the most expensive upgrades...

 

[ivan2]

if u want to just knock the lambos off the list, mandate no drive train conversion and RWD only will work well.

 

[Kabob]

Are the Lambos that much faster?

 

[Lotheron]

Are the Lambos that much faster?

I don't think so really. I thin in the right hands any car is fast, look at the car we raced last night, some of us were putting really good numbers up. Hell I think I had a 2 minute flat on Catalyna which is less than 10 seconds slower than good A class times.

 

[ivan2]

i think it has a good combo to get very fast in grip tracks and it is very consistent. it doesn't have the porsche's top end but if u do the 470HP turbo build it's own top end isn't too bad at all. the bottom line is that i can count on the lambo to post top time lap after lap but i can't count on the other cars to do that yet.

 

[Kabob]

Oooh, I have an awful idea (even worse than my "locked in-car view" from yesterday).

Remember the time when OSJ got mad at CK? Why was that? Oh yeah, you didn't get to pick your own car, someone else picked it. We COULD set it up so that we have a select few cars and do a blind selection or something. We make a list of competitive cars, everyone picks a car and they are randomly assigned. So I wouldn't pick which car to give to Waldo, I'd pick, say, a Porsche 996 GT3 and it will go to a random person, which could be Waldo or it could be famous. You may even end up with your own car.

No surprise New Beetles or anything, I don't think anyone would be too torn up if they got stuck with a 360CS or a Jaguar XKR-S or something.

Any interest or do we want to pick our own ride? I think it'd be a way so that we don't have 8 people picking identical cars.

Car Lottery!!!

 

[Lotheron]

[...]I think it'd be a way so that we don't have 8 people picking identical cars.[...]

At that point why not just see if we can decide on a single car then and make it spec?


I like the idea, kind of, but I do not think it will fly. I say we have a limited list of competitive cars ( that are usually even on the track ) and choose from those.

 

[ivan2]

Jaguar XKR-S is a piece of shit, remove that from your list.

actually ty's idea isn't too bad, but instead of 8 different cars, lets make it like 3 and 2 or 3 ppl will get the same car