Former Russian Terrorist Tragedy Thread

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Where are the Islamic writers, actors, poets and musicians?

Iran has a film industry with some very critically acclaimed directors. Maybe you don't hear much about their musicians since it's different than what you're used to.
Maybe they're not as evident or as strongly represented though.

Has anybody ever heard about Shakira?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Isla
hey burnedout, thanks for that.

My school district is on there... we scored a 'good'.

<---all about taking care of the kids

Yeah, right. You actually expect your kids to be safe in a government school? Bwahahahaha, pah-lese. I bet armed gunmen could slaughter every kid in practically any government school long before the police get there.

Sometimes enough is enough.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Where are the Islamic writers, actors, poets and musicians?

Iran has a film industry with some very critically acclaimed directors. Maybe you don't hear much about their musicians since it's different than what you're used to.
Maybe they're not as evident or as strongly represented though.

Has anybody ever heard about Shakira?

Are you talking about the singer?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Where are the Islamic writers, actors, poets and musicians?

Iran has a film industry with some very critically acclaimed directors. Maybe you don't hear much about their musicians since it's different than what you're used to.
Maybe they're not as evident or as strongly represented though.

Has anybody ever heard about Shakira?

Are you talking about the singer?

NO, the video card.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Where are the Islamic writers, actors, poets and musicians?

Iran has a film industry with some very critically acclaimed directors. Maybe you don't hear much about their musicians since it's different than what you're used to.
Maybe they're not as evident or as strongly represented though.

Has anybody ever heard about Shakira?

Are you talking about the singer?

NO, the video card.

It has no outstanding circuits but it performs well and has an extremely well shaped backside.

Yeah, i am talking about Shakira the singer, she has a butt to die for and a very nice voice. oh yeah, waking up on that tummy wouldn't be a nightmare.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Um ok I agree but why did you even bother to bring her up?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Isla
hey burnedout, thanks for that.

My school district is on there... we scored a 'good'.

<---all about taking care of the kids

Yeah, right. You actually expect your kids to be safe in a government school? Bwahahahaha, pah-lese. I bet armed gunmen could slaughter every kid in practically any government school long before the police get there.

That would be kind of hard as some schools have a police presence in the school.

Yeah, high schools maybe, but the only time officers are at the elementary schools around here is if they are teaching a DARE class. Also, let's see, 30 terrorists storm a school all armed to the teeth with fully automatic assault weapons, and there is one cop with a 9 mm peashooter. :disgust:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Isla
hey burnedout, thanks for that.

My school district is on there... we scored a 'good'.

<---all about taking care of the kids

Yeah, right. You actually expect your kids to be safe in a government school? Bwahahahaha, pah-lese. I bet armed gunmen could slaughter every kid in practically any government school long before the police get there.

That would be kind of hard as some schools have a police presence in the school.

Yeah, high schools maybe, but the only time officers are at the elementary schools around here is if they are teaching a DARE class. Also, let's see, 30 terrorists storm a school all armed to the teeth with fully automatic assault weapons, and there is one cop with a 9 mm peashooter. :disgust:

No. When I was in High School (albeit a while ago), we had two police officers in every high school and one police officer in every elementary/middle school.

And if 30 terrorists stormed any school, public or not, then that would be a massacre.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Um ok I agree but why did you even bother to bring her up?

She is Arabic and i like her butt, i think her butt is enough reason to drag her into any thread, can you blame me?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Isla
hey burnedout, thanks for that.

My school district is on there... we scored a 'good'.

<---all about taking care of the kids

Yeah, right. You actually expect your kids to be safe in a government school? Bwahahahaha, pah-lese. I bet armed gunmen could slaughter every kid in practically any government school long before the police get there.

That would be kind of hard as some schools have a police presence in the school.

Yeah, high schools maybe, but the only time officers are at the elementary schools around here is if they are teaching a DARE class. Also, let's see, 30 terrorists storm a school all armed to the teeth with fully automatic assault weapons, and there is one cop with a 9 mm peashooter. :disgust:

No. When I was in High School (albeit a while ago), we had two police officers in every high school and one police officer in every elementary/middle school.

And if 30 terrorists stormed any school, public or not, then that would be a massacre.

Holy hell, are you kidding, we never had a police officer anywhere near the schools and no problems either, sometimes i am reminded that we come from vastly different worlds.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Um ok I agree but why did you even bother to bring her up?

She is Arabic and i like her butt, i think her butt is enough reason to drag her into any thread, can you blame me?

She's not Arabic - she's Colombian. But you can still like her butt.

Well, she's of Colombian and Lebanese descent...but I don't think she's a good example of what Anita Peterson was talking about. I believe she grew up in Colombia as a Catholic.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Holy hell, are you kidding, we never had a police officer anywhere near the schools and no problems either, sometimes i am reminded that we come from vastly different worlds.

It was right after the Columbine school shooting incident and the high school makeups were very similar. Everyone became very paranoid.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Um ok I agree but why did you even bother to bring her up?

She is Arabic and i like her butt, i think her butt is enough reason to drag her into any thread, can you blame me?

She's not Arabic - she's Colombian. But you can still like her butt.

Well, she's of Colombian and Lebanese descent...but I don't think she's a good example of what Anita Peterson was talking about.

I thought she visited her parents, in Egypt.

I forgot what Anita was talking about, i started thinking of Shakiras butt see, and yeah, i like.

ok, back on track.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Um ok I agree but why did you even bother to bring her up?

She is Arabic and i like her butt, i think her butt is enough reason to drag her into any thread, can you blame me?

She's not Arabic - she's Colombian. But you can still like her butt.

Well, she's of Colombian and Lebanese descent...but I don't think she's a good example of what Anita Peterson was talking about.

I thought she visited her parents, in Egypt.

I forgot what Anita was talking about, i started thinking of Shakiras butt see, and yeah, i like.

ok, back on track.

Nope...even her songs were in Spanish before her English versions. Well that was a nice sidetrack!

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Holy hell, are you kidding, we never had a police officer anywhere near the schools and no problems either, sometimes i am reminded that we come from vastly different worlds.

It was right after the Columbine school shooting incident and the high school makeups were very similar. Everyone became very paranoid.

I was in Kosovo at the time. Never really heard much about it but i have read the story.

A tragedy, it is amazing, AND unfortunanly it is proof that all you need is a deranged mind, you don't even need a religion.

I hope you see that for what it is, it was NOT meant to be a cheapshot at religion.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Um ok I agree but why did you even bother to bring her up?

She is Arabic and i like her butt, i think her butt is enough reason to drag her into any thread, can you blame me?

She's not Arabic - she's Colombian. But you can still like her butt.

Well, she's of Colombian and Lebanese descent...but I don't think she's a good example of what Anita Peterson was talking about.

I thought she visited her parents, in Egypt.

I forgot what Anita was talking about, i started thinking of Shakiras butt see, and yeah, i like.

ok, back on track.

Nope...even her songs were in Spanish before her English versions. Well that was a nice sidetrack!

You are correct, Estoy Aqui is most definently spanish.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

I am as Liberal as they come, and some here have called me a Commie occassionally, but mark my words: the West is doomed in the fight against Islamic fundamentalism, because we can't get our adversaries to apply the same standards as we do.

Are you sure? You sound like an ultra far-right whacko!

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Klixxer, I did offer a deterrent - burying them once they're dead with bacon in their mouth. If they're really religious, that should scare the hell out of them, literally. If they don't care, they're hypocrites.

rchiu: "Have you ever thought about why those people are so fanatic about the religion? Could it be that they have nothing to live for in the current world, and their only hope is in the after life? "

Well, a UN study from a few years ago (sorry, no link, just memories of articles) was saying that the Islamic countries have some of the lowest rates of literacy in the world, no women's rights and poor standards of living.

Once, Islam was a thriving civilization. They had street lamps while most of Europe was still living in hovels. Then it all went downhill... Look at how T.E. Lawrence found them during WWI... What else, if not religion, is at fault here?

The point is: they have nothing to live for because they have a culture of death, and life is not to be embellished.

Anyone here reading science-fiction? Good, now tell me, in all honesty: where are the Islamic scientists? Where are the Islamic writers, actors, poets and musicians? When will we see space exploration or any type of discovery made by an Islamic country? (Please keep in mind, I'm not saying "Arab country" - there are secular Middle-Eastern countries who live very well, and whose scientis we see every day at Western Universities. But can the Taliban create anything? )

so, rchiu, when you say" If you can't think with reason and try to dismiss an entire religion without understanding the political and social condition in those troubled places," I disagree with you... I have probably seen more of the world than you have, and lived in many contries you'll probably only know from your evening news. I'm realistic, nothing more.

And if we're discussing Chechens *only*, I've said before that their lack of love for the Russians is understandable. But stooping as low as killing children is something nobody has the right to do. No feeling of patriotism justifies that.

Well, you boast about your experience with different countries, but somehow I doubt you ever been to enough countries or read enough history to see Muslim in proper context. There are many thriving Muslim countries around the world, and one good example is Malaysia. It is one of the thriving economy in Asia, , it invests heavily in technology and many tech company in the US have plants and offices there. There are Muslim Nobel price winners, Shirin Ebadi in 2003 and Dr. Zewail in 1999. During my study for two different graduate degrees, I've made friends who come from different Muslim nations and background. Go visist some of the Muslim country like Malaysia, Pakistan, Indonesia and the others, you will find plenty of writers, actors, scholars, musicians and poets. Just because you don't know them, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

I am not saying Muslim is without problem, it does. I am not a Muslim and I don't agree with those Chechnian taking those children hostage or killing them. But dismissing the entire religion by looking only at the action of few extreme groups of people is just wrong.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Isla
hey burnedout, thanks for that.

My school district is on there... we scored a 'good'.

<---all about taking care of the kids

Yeah, right. You actually expect your kids to be safe in a government school? Bwahahahaha, pah-lese. I bet armed gunmen could slaughter every kid in practically any government school long before the police get there.

No darling, I don't expect them to be safe. I don't expect ANYTHING to be safe. There is risk inherent in just about everything. But it is good to know that my area gets good marks for being aware of what's going on around them.

Got a problem with that?

 

[0roo0roo]

oy, the uncensored pics on sites like ogrish etc.. ugly stuff.

and pretending that some ideologies are not more dangerous then others. thats just being blind to reason

 

[csf]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Have you ever thought about why those people are so fanatic about the religion? Could it be that they have nothing to live for in the current world, and their only hope is in the after life?

I read about an article the other day on the role of women Chechnian rebels, which is highly unusual in the Muslim world where women's role is at home. The reason that there are many women terrorist during the Moscow theater hostage crisis 2 years ago, and it was women terrorist who blew up the two planes recently was that there aren't many Chechnian men left. Most of the men died fight against Russian. Those women lost their husband, children, really have nothing much to live for. It is easy for the Chechnian politician/terrorist to use religion and lure them into this struggle.

Think about it, if you have a happy life with family around you, why would you wanna die so that maybe you can get into heaven in the after life. The places where you see religious fanatics are those places where hope is lost and people don't have much to live for. Maybe that's a clue for you?

If you can't think with reason and try to dismiss an entire religion without understanding the political and social condition in those troubled places, the only thing you will achieve is self destruction of human race.

Thats great and all, but the primary reason for the Chechnya crisis is that the rebels are a minority of extremists who want to subjugate their nation and the surrounding areas to an Islamic theocracy. Take a look at their past attempts to invade Dagestan and drive out residents who did not subscribe to their brand of Islam (Here, for example). The matter in which the Russians handled these insurrections and the question of whether Islam can ever coexist peacefully with other beliefs is up in the air, but if anyone started the whole terroristic mess, it's Chechnya. I think we can all agree that given the current global struggle over radical Islamic allowing another fundamentalist Islamic theocracy for the sake of appeasement would be a horrible move. I don't see how anyone can sympathize with the beliefs of the Chechan seperatists when their main plight is "we're not being allowed to violently force people around us who don't believe in Islam to conform to our way of life."

And like it or not, your touchy feely apologism doesn't come close to even partially justifying the horrible atrocities in recent days. "Oh, so a woman murdered 50 innocent civilians by bombing them in a plane? Oh, but, but we can't call that wrong because we don't understand their feelings!"

 

[BarneyFife]

I think the Russians are pretty screwed with these Islamic radicals. Those people went in there strapped with bombs and there was no way they were going to negotiate. Its obvious that the people from Chechyna are animals. They took 2 planes down, attacked a school, and bombed another building all in a week. Lets not forget our lovely government whining about Russia's handling of Chechnya or better yet bombing Serbia for no reason. I don't even want to bring up Iraq where their was no terrorism until last year.

 

322 dead. Jesus, what monsters.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/...ssia.school/index.html

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: dudeguy

Originally posted by: Isla
I've been devastated by this all day.

The reality is that this could very well happen HERE next. I wonder how many people realize this?

ha! you buddy are living in the past! it could never happen, the students would pull their guns out and shoot the attackers!

Heh, I only wish that were true. I'm a public school teacher and I see very well how it could happen.

then i suggest you constrain your comments to teacher subjects.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
oy, the uncensored pics on sites like ogrish etc.. ugly stuff.

and pretending that some ideologies are not more dangerous then others. thats just being blind to reason

You're looking at too small a slice of history. And what do you qualify as more dangerous? Number of dead?


Don't get me wrong. THESE Muslims are scum. I'm opposed to Iraq and branding all Muslims evil but I've long supported the Russians on their war on the Chechen rebels.

But this ideological holier than thou stuff is bogus.