Forced to Use Birth Bathroom

[bradly1101]

I've been noticing these homophobic state legislatures around the South making laws that allow for "religious discrimination of gays" and forcing transgendered people to use the bathroom identified on their birth certificate instead of the one they identify with now.

Claims are made that a man transitioning to a woman could go into a women's restroom and assault your daughter(!). But a man becoming a woman and dressed as one is unlikely to be attracted to women/girls.

Also forcing a transgendered person to use their "birth bathroom" will cause confusion, embarrassment, and possibly violence as people looking like men will be using women's bathrooms, and people looking like women will be using the men's. Maybe that's the true goal of these laws.

 

[MongGrel]

Next up, birth bathroom security guards.

You have to have your birth certificate to use the bathroom in public.

Should be interesting at football stadiums etc.

 

[werepossum]

I very much agree with these laws for schools; let them create separate accommodations for kids confused about their gender rather than forcing young girls to accept a boy in their locker rooms or showers. Adults should be able to cope, and laws assuming they cannot cope are just silly. Also, a man dressing as a woman to get into women's facilities and assault a woman is probably doing so intentionally rather than as part of a sex change, so I suspect they will not be affected by such laws. After all, rape is already punished rather more harshly than in likely for going into a non-birth gender restroom. (Unless I've REALLY overestimated the Republicans.) In any case, such assaults have to be a tiny minority. Assaulting a woman in the lady's room without going to prison requires a lack of witnesses, so the man's dress is pretty much irrelevant.

 

[Jaskalas]

The only proper way to address sex confusion and public restrooms is to make them unisex.

 

[trenchfoot]

I've been noticing these homophobic state legislatures around the South making laws that allow for "religious discrimination of gays" and forcing transgendered people to use the bathroom identified on their birth certificate instead of the one they identify with now.

Claims are made that a man transitioning to a woman could go into a women's restroom and assault your daughter(!). But a man becoming a woman and dressed as one is unlikely to be attracted to women/girls.

Also forcing a transgendered person to use their "birth bathroom" will cause confusion, embarrassment, and possibly violence as people looking like men will be using women's bathrooms, and people looking like women will be using the men's. Maybe that's the true goal of these laws.

Another way to discourage, vilify and suppress "aberrant", "disgusting" and "unnatural" behavior as they see fit.

I get the feeling that if these folks really had their way, every one of those "unusually behaving lost souls" would be permanently banned from their jurisdiction. But then maybe passing laws like they did is just their way of accomplishing exactly that.

 

[Subyman]

The UK is known as the Nanny State, but us in the US should be called the Nanny Populace. People are so concerned about their neighbors and what they should and shouldn't do.

Sex offending men weren't waiting around until the trannys got rest room rights to start disguising themselves to sneak at peek at the ladies. For every social issue there is some big-bad-monster farce to try to scare the people away from giving rights to others.

 

[Newbian]

The problem is the cost of having a 3rd bathroom in some places for people like this and for concerns of other people using the bathrooms when this option is not available.

The best solution right now is to have people use what bathroom they biologically are and until they get the operation done it's easily the best option.

Until then if you got a penis you use the men's room and if you got a innie it's the woman's room for you and if it's a issue for you then use a private restroom that doesn't have multiple people at once.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Don'tcha love laws like these? First, they wouldn't have the desired effect if they worked. Second, they're unenforceable. I see it as "bell the cat " legislation. The simplest way to combat this sort of nonsense is to just publish the names of the politicians who supported it. No rhetoric needed.

 

[jackstar7]

The only proper way to address sex confusion and public restrooms is to make them unisex.

Correct.

It'd be nice to de-stigmatize shitting.

 

[waggy]

I very much agree with these laws for schools; let them create separate accommodations for kids confused about their gender rather than forcing young girls to accept a boy in their locker rooms or showers. Adults should be able to cope, and laws assuming they cannot cope are just silly. Also, a man dressing as a woman to get into women's facilities and assault a woman is probably doing so intentionally rather than as part of a sex change, so I suspect they will not be affected by such laws. After all, rape is already punished rather more harshly than in likely for going into a non-birth gender restroom. (Unless I've REALLY overestimated the Republicans.) In any case, such assaults have to be a tiny minority. Assaulting a woman in the lady's room without going to prison requires a lack of witnesses, so the man's dress is pretty much irrelevant.

/this

I agree. My issue with trans is the forcing of them into locker rooms/bathrooms. why should other girls be forced to have a boy in while they change?

adults are different. I don't care who is in with me. fuck you want to see my ugly ass send me a pm. lol

 

[MongGrel]

/this

I agree. My issue with trans is the forcing of them into locker rooms/bathrooms. why should other girls be forced to have a boy in while they change?

adults are different. I don't care who is in with me. fuck you want to see my ugly ass send me a pm. lol

+1

:biggrin:

 

[werepossum]

The only proper way to address sex confusion and public restrooms is to make them unisex.

lol Are we really evolving into a species too fucking stupid to know its own gender?

The problem is the cost of having a 3rd bathroom in some places for people like this and for concerns of other people using the bathrooms when this option is not available.

The best solution right now is to have people use what bathroom they biologically are and until they get the operation done it's easily the best option.

Until then if you got a penis you use the men's room and if you got a innie it's the woman's room for you and if it's a issue for you then use a private restroom that doesn't have multiple people at once.

Because . . . ?

I have no problem with a third, unisex restroom, especially so for changing rooms and showers. For a normal restroom, I don't see the point. A dude in a dress is not something I wish to see in the men's room, but if I do, it's not going to change my world either way. A chick transitioning to a man isn't going to affect me either. Many times in concerts I've seen women using the men's room when I was, even on one memorable occasion a girl using the urinal next to me. I'm still as normal as before.

Well . . . I'm not any less normal than before.

 

[brianmanahan]

n/m

 

[LegendKiller]

lol Are we really evolving into a species too fucking stupid to know its own gender?
.

Sadly, yes. We want to bend the entire country to the whims of an uber small portion of the population and make them heroes for no real reason.

 

[werepossum]

Sadly, yes. We want to bend the entire country to the whims of an uber small portion of the population and make them heroes for no real reason.

Agreed, but in the process of not making them heroes, let's not make them villains either. Of all the major problems we face, none are caused by transsexuals unless the rest of us choose to make problems in their names.

 

[flexy]

The best solution right now is to have people use what bathroom they biologically are
[...]

I have no problem with a third, unisex restroom, especially so for changing rooms and showers. For a normal restroom, I don't see the point. A dude in a dress is not something I wish to see in the men's room, but if I do, it's not going to change my world either way

Someone tell me why Europe, and those 49 remaining US states for what it's worth don't have such problems. Really, you're worrying about possibly a third bath room now?

"A dude in a dress" <-- You won't likely see "a dude in a dress" since TG persons might at times amazingly look like women/men, those genders which they assume their real genders. (Eg. someone born a woman ---> transgression to ---> man might REALLY look and behave otherwise like a normal man)

We're not talking about the fricking Rocky Horror Picture Show here with "dudes in a dress", we're talking about transgender folks.

HERE IS THE BIG IRONY and why this is so laughable:

There was a report (CNN?) where a TG person (former woman, now man), who by all standards obviously LOOKS LIKE A MAN is now "scaring off" women in a women's restroom and is now forced to *EXPLAIN* why he, although looking like a man, is now forced to use the women's BR.

The irony: A lot of "not so educated" people who he explained why he's using the women's didn't even KNOW what "transgender" is...they see a man using the women's BR...

 

[Sonikku]

Keep this chick in the women's room where she belongs.

 

[compuwiz1]

Forced to use birth bathroom?

Fuck forced compliance of something most people are opposed to. We've been using bathrooms for centuries, based on our physical gender and gotten by just fine. The world is just getting sicker, IMO. We continually are forced to make laws to accommodate what some fringe minority wants. What's next, no more skirts or slacks, that we all have to be equal in how we dress, maybe even no more clothes? Suddenly we have little snowflakes who want to use the opposite sex's restrooms. People are complaining they are forced to use the restroom of their gender, seriously? I don't give a shit if someone is gay or trans, that is their business. They are free to go about THEIR business, but this bathroom thing makes it MY business and it becomes in your face and forced. I'm not ok with that.

 

[flexy]

We continually are forced to make laws to accommodate what some fringe minority wants.

ROFL!

So they were "forced" in NC to worry about TGs in bathrooms?
They were forced in Miss. to make this new, extraordinary stupid discrimination law?

Yup, love this guy. So I guess it's all clear in NC, he must go to the women's now, thanks to your glorious lawmakers

Edit: glorious, super-intelligent lawmakers

Edit 2: Re: Mississippi: So, those bigo...I mean Christians, are a fringe minority? You realize this law accommodates them, right?

 

[werepossum]

Someone tell me why Europe, and those 49 remaining US states for what it's worth don't have such problems. Really, you're worrying about possibly a third bath room now?

"A dude in a dress" <-- You won't likely see "a dude in a dress" since TG persons might at times amazingly look like women/men, those genders which they assume their real genders. (Eg. someone born a woman ---> transgression to ---> man might REALLY look and behave otherwise like a normal man)

We're not talking about the fricking Rocky Horror Picture Show here with "dudes in a dress", we're talking about transgender folks.

HERE IS THE BIG IRONY and why this is so laughable:

There was a report (CNN?) where a TG person (former woman, now man), who by all standards obviously LOOKS LIKE A MAN is now "scaring off" women in a women's restroom and is now forced to *EXPLAIN* why he, although looking like a man, is now forced to use the women's BR.

The irony: A lot of "not so educated" people who he explained why he's using the women's didn't even KNOW what "transgender" is...they see a man using the women's BR...

Jhhnn called, he wants his reading comprehension back.

First, I specifically said I have no issue with a third unisex bathroom, and I said for adults, I see no problem with people using the restroom for those with whom they identify. Does that sound like I'm "worrying about possibly a third bath room now?"

Second, a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress. Presumably, "TG persons might at times amazingly look like women/men, those genders which they assume their real genders" pretty much accepts that at times, TG persons look like mis-dressed persons. I've seen a lot of trannies that don't even come close to passing, often substantially because they insist on wearing frilly clothing in which no woman will be caught dead. (I'm unlike to spend much time looking at over-tall women with prominent Adam's apples and giant hands, but if "she" is wearing a lace dress and every other woman is wearing jeans and tees, "she" stands out.) But as I've said I don't care and since if they pass I won't notice, how is this an issue? I hope you aren't pressing for the sake of political correctness for me to say I can never tell as soon as someone puts on the clothing of the opposite sex, 'cause I'm not big on political correctness or lying. I even agree that a man who has bought implants and wears a dress is generally less disruptive in the ladies' room (and vice versa) than when forced into the restroom of his birth gender.

My main point is:
Don't. Force. This. Onto. Kids. Stick to making adults uncomfortable, we're big boys and girls and we have a lot less on our plates.

 

[werepossum]

The positive side here is that I expect to make a fortune with my new armored restroom stall with integrated birth certificate reader. I'll sort you bitches and make bank doing it.

 

[OutHouse]

forcing transgendered people to use the bathroom identified on their birth certificate instead of the one they identify with now.

booo fucking hooo, cry me a river.

 

[werepossum]

Keep this chick in the women's room where she belongs.

Don't know what she looked like as a woman, but some people are more attractive transitioned to the other gender than in their birth gender. Maybe it's just a result of being more comfortable with yourself.

Personally I don't care either way; it's your body, do with it what makes you happy. Just don't insist that children participate.

 

[OutHouse]

Yup, love this guy

its not a man. no matter how much drugs and operations she has, it will always be a woman.

 

[werepossum]

Forced to use birth bathroom?

Fuck forced compliance of something most people are opposed to. We've been using bathrooms for centuries, based on our physical gender and gotten by just fine. The world is just getting sicker, IMO. We continually are forced to make laws to accommodate what some fringe minority wants. What's next, no more skirts or slacks, that we all have to be equal in how we dress, maybe even no more clothes? Suddenly we have little snowflakes who want to use the opposite sex's restrooms. People are complaining they are forced to use the restroom of their gender, seriously? I don't give a shit if someone is gay or trans, that is their business. They are free to go about THEIR business, but this bathroom thing makes it MY business and it becomes in your face and forced. I'm not ok with that.

Um, that is true of the kid in high school gym class, but this is a purely optional trampling of those special snowflakes. And really, in the men's room wouldn't the transgendered man in the post above yours be less "in your face" than the fully modified penis-less transwoman in a dress and heels? Which one do you think you'd have to explain to your children? I wouldn't even notice that dude, regardless of whether he still has a penis, but the transwoman (assuming I'm using the terms correctly, I tend to mangle them) would be a bit awkward for me and probably humiliating for her.