For those interested in train wrecks and mass suicides- Trump on Fox

[snoopy7548]

The many expressions of Fox and Friends...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm going to rain on the parade a bit and state that Trump did not admit to knowing about the payment. The question he was asked on the plane was specific to him knowing about the payment. On the show Trump admitted to Cohen represented him. In court that is an important distinction and one the judge would understand. Sketchy? Sure but "I don' like you and you have to prove to me that you aren't lying" isn't a legal standard. What it does is vastly increase the chance of Trump having to testify in open court under oath because of the ambiguities and contradictions he introduced.

 

[Commodus]

They actually call him GEOTUS God-emperor of the united states. Seriously I sat there and tried to figure it out and thought great emperor of the us. I'm like no way thats right so looked it up, holy shit I guess these guys don't want a democracy.

The best way I can describe r/the_donald: imagine if people like boomerang, brandonbull, import_tajmahal and FelixDeCat got together and masturbated all day to a portrait of Trump. Their numbers are likely shrinking, but they wouldn't know it because they're too busy jerking off.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump can't lose to someone and if he lets this case drop then I believe he would see this as a defeat and that's consistent with his behavior. But it's too late now as he and Cohen have defamed Stormy to the point that Avenetti could go after them on that issue alone.

As you say Trump could be deposed and given Trump's inconsistent statements having him under oath in front of a judge makes a heck of a lot of sense. Fox gave us an opportunity to see Trump harm himself repeatedly. Imagine if he's in front of a competent judge under oath? I'd wager he'd take the Fifth.

I imagine any close and proper examination of Trump would reveal that he cannot determine reality. There are multiple signs of it, including an apparent inability NOT to purger himself. Seeing as he appears to be incapable of sticking to facts or even working towards his own interest. Long ways to go til January 2021, but once someone has him under Oath it'd be such a mess that someone is going to invoke the 25th, be it Pence or Congress.

 

[MrSquished]

The best way I can describe r/the_donald: imagine if people like boomerang, brandonbull, import_tajmahal and FelixDeCat got together and masturbated all day to a portrait of Trump. Their numbers are likely shrinking, but they wouldn't know it because they're too busy jerking off.

I think there is some naivete about Trumps numbers shrinking. We'd like to think that because we see Trump as a wreck so it must be the inevitable step as people get enlightened. Guess what folks, these people aren't getting enlightened and in fact are going to dig their heels in more. And with even a bit of good press, Trump will get some more supporters. Just look at his approval rating trend on 538.

I'm telling you, 30% of this country are hardcore Trump supporters and they ain't going nowhere - ever. No matter what Trump does. That's enough people to keep reasonable REpublicans scared to oppose the Donald because they care more about election results rather than the country - which has always been the case anyways, but even more so now.

 

[Younigue]

My wife usually doesn't do politics. She knows enough to know Trump is, well, Trump, but doesn't have an innate interest as we do. I was trying to explain the interview and just quit and went to Trevor's bit and she had that mixed reaction of being appalled and laughing at the same time. I don't even know if there's an English word that describes it but I bet you know what I mean.

Flabbergasted?

 

[Commodus]

I think there is some naivete about Trumps numbers shrinking. We'd like to think that because we see Trump as a wreck so it must be the inevitable step as people get enlightened. Guess what folks, these people aren't getting enlightened and in fact are going to dig their heels in more. And with even a bit of good press, Trump will get some more supporters. Just look at his approval rating trend on 538.

I'm telling you, 30% of this country are hardcore Trump supporters and they ain't going nowhere - ever. No matter what Trump does. That's enough people to keep reasonable REpublicans scared to oppose the Donald because they care more about election results rather than the country - which has always been the case anyways, but even more so now.

I'm thinking more about the subreddit specifically. It's practically designed to bleed users, because anyone who's even vaguely critical of Trump gets banned. Now, Trump's core outside of Reddit is another story, but at least they're allowed to disagree with some of Trump's ideas without being exiled.

 

[Younigue]

I'm going to rain on the parade a bit and state that Trump did not admit to knowing about the payment. The question he was asked on the plane was specific to him knowing about the payment. On the show Trump admitted to Cohen represented him. In court that is an important distinction and one the judge would understand. Sketchy? Sure but "I don' like you and you have to prove to me that you aren't lying" isn't a legal standard. What it does is vastly increase the chance of Trump having to testify in open court under oath because of the ambiguities and contradictions he introduced.

Well l think most people on this forum understand this exactly as you're stating here but it's more fun to say that Trump admitted to knowing about the money.

The people who choose to stay less informed however are likely only taking away from this story that Trump admitted it because in many ways that it's how it's being presented.

 

[cytg111]

Well l think most people on this forum understand this exactly as you're stating here but it's more fun to say that Trump admitted to knowing about the money.

The people who choose to stay less informed however are likely only taking away from this story that Trump admitted it because in many ways that it's how it's being presented.

Rachel breaks it down here, start at ~14:00-> (could start at 18:50 but the bisnisses bisnisses bisnisses is good for a laugh, dont deny yourself).

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...-with-blurting-rant-on-fox-news-1220310595873

 

[HomerJS]

Well l think most people on this forum understand this exactly as you're stating here but it's more fun to say that Trump admitted to knowing about the money.

The people who choose to stay less informed however are likely only taking away from this story that Trump admitted it because in many ways that it's how it's being presented.

Let's try to smoke this out. To the best of your understanding what is the Stormy Daniels case Michael Cohen worked on?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let's try to smoke this out. To the best of your understanding what is the Stormy Daniels case Michael Cohen worked on?

She will speak for herself if she wants. Now I'm the judge in the case. You tell me and show your evidence. Thinking, believing, none of that matters. What Trump acknowledged, in fact, is that Cohen worked on the case for Trump and did not bring up money so no direct connection was made. That is what discovery is for. In three months we'll get back to that.

 

[cytg111]

She will speak for herself if she wants. Now I'm the judge in the case. You tell me and show your evidence. Thinking, believing, none of that matters. What Trump acknowledged, in fact, is that Cohen worked on the case for Trump and did not bring up money so no direct connection was made. That is what discovery is for. In three months we'll get back to that.

What it did bring up is the amount of privileged information that can possibly be contained in a "tiny tiny fraction" of Trumps legal work thus giving perspective to Trumps outcry on "client attorney privilege"

 

[Younigue]

Let's try to smoke this out. To the best of your understanding what is the Stormy Daniels case Michael Cohen worked on?

So, I think Cohen is a scoundrel. I think the case he worked on was specifically to make her go away at (almost) all costs including having her threatened. I believe Trump doesn't know the finer details of what Cohen did for himin this case or any case Cohen had his hands on but not for something as simple as Trump not having the attention span or intelligence to grasp but rather to protect him. Trump is well aware of that and he condones it, expects it and relies on it. Their relationship is icky and "close". Cohen treats Trump like a mafia godfather in my opinion. Trump treats Cohen like a mafia fixer... not worth much until he is but then worh even less than he ever was before but specifically for the purpose of tapping in to Cohen's fear of losing favor with his special daddy. So to put it bluntly, Cohen is up to his balls in the Stormy Daniel's case. He is guilty and so is Trump. How much he will be held accountable for? Time will tell but I suspect prosecutors having him coming and going in this case and it doesn't matter how much Trump incriminates himself or Cohen. The fact that he is, is helpful but mostly just hysterical and at this point given the givens wholly expected by anyone who understands giving loyalty means nothing to Trump.

Did that answer your question?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What it did bring up is the amount of privileged information that can possibly be contained in a "tiny tiny fraction" of Trumps legal work thus giving perspective to Trumps outcry on "client attorney privilege"

Yep and that does the damage. The criminal investigators now can shoot hole in the attorney/client claims and Avenatti has a significantly better shot at deposing Trump under oath.

Gifts from heaven as Avenatti says.

 

[HomerJS]

She will speak for herself if she wants. Now I'm the judge in the case. You tell me and show your evidence. Thinking, believing, none of that matters. What Trump acknowledged, in fact, is that Cohen worked on the case for Trump and did not bring up money so no direct connection was made. That is what discovery is for. In three months we'll get back to that.

I'll ask you the same question. You stated Cohen worked on "the case". What is the case? What does said case entail?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'll ask you the same question. You stated Cohen worked on "the case". What is the case? What does said case entail?

The accusations against Trump by Stormey would constitute a case. What does the case entail? I don't know, and neither do you or anyone else besides Trump and Cohen likely know. That's why there's a civil suit to get to the meat of the matter. There's what I believe and what I know. At this point I'm engaging in supposition like everyone else.

 

[cytg111]

So, I think Cohen is a scoundrel. I think the case he worked on was specifically to make her go away at (almost) all costs including having her threatened. I believe Trump doesn't know the finer details of what Cohen did for himin this case or any case Cohen had his hands on but not for something as simple as Trump not having the attention span or intelligence to grasp but rather to protect him. Trump is well aware of that and he condones it, expects it and relies on it. Their relationship is icky and "close". Cohen treats Trump like a mafia godfather in my opinion. Trump treats Cohen like a mafia fixer... not worth much until he is but then worh even less than he ever was before but specifically for the purpose of tapping in to Cohen's fear of losing favor with his special daddy. So to put it bluntly, Cohen is up to his balls in the Stormy Daniel's case. He is guilty and so is Trump. How much he will be held accountable for? Time will tell but I suspect prosecutors having him coming and going in this case and it doesn't matter how much Trump incriminates himself or Cohen. The fact that he is, is helpful but mostly just hysterical and at this point given the givens wholly expected by anyone who understands giving loyalty means nothing to Trump.

Did that answer your question?

Yup, using Cohen as a fixer, knowing damn well the methods in question... it makes Donny feel like a Don AND gives him plausible deniabiliy, just throw some cash that way and dont ask too many questions... Don Donny and crew shaking down hookers and whatnot .. what a shit show.. Stupid Don Bonespurs doing Stupid Watergate... how was the Rob Dinero line again? someone something?

 

[cytg111]

I'll ask you the same question. You stated Cohen worked on "the case". What is the case? What does said case entail?

Making dead hookers dissapear in the dessert? That case?

 

[IronWing]

Making dead hookers dissapear in the dessert? That case?

Hooker tart? Hooker sundae?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yup, using Cohen as a fixer, knowing damn well the methods in question... it makes Donny feel like a Don AND gives him plausible deniabiliy, just throw some cash that way and dont ask too many questions... Don Donny and crew shaking down hookers and whatnot .. what a shit show.. Stupid Don Bonespurs doing Stupid Watergate... how was the Rob Dinero line again? someone something?

I'm trying to figure out just how this could be more screwed up and I just remembered Cohen bragging he's with the Russian mob. If that is actually true, oh man. The RNC would have a bigwig in the Russian mafia and every single business dealing Trump made remotely connected to Cohen is going to be looked at for possible money laundering.

Craziest period in US history coming up.

 

[cytg111]

I'm trying to figure out just how this could be more screwed up and I just remembered Cohen bragging he's with the Russian mob. If that is actually true, oh man. The RNC would have a bigwig in the Russian mafia and every single business dealing Trump made remotely connected to Cohen is going to be looked at for possible money laundering.

Craziest period in US history coming up.

Yup.. And the aftermath, it will stretch a decade as all those stones get turned one way or the other. Hopefully post Trump will be a rallying point that unites across the globe.

 

[cytg111]

The many expressions of Fox and Friends...

Hahaha .. well done, well done 🙂.

 

[Jhhnn]

She will speak for herself if she wants. Now I'm the judge in the case. You tell me and show your evidence. Thinking, believing, none of that matters. What Trump acknowledged, in fact, is that Cohen worked on the case for Trump and did not bring up money so no direct connection was made. That is what discovery is for. In three months we'll get back to that.

Sounds great, but how else does one handle the Stormy situation if not with money? What else could Trump expect when he told Cohen to take care of it?

I think the real danger for Trump is other information in Cohen's files, information that may not be privileged at all.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sounds great, but how else does one handle the Stormy situation if not with money? What else could Trump expect when he told Cohen to take care of it?

I think the real danger for Trump is other information in Cohen's files, information that may not be privileged at all.

"Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest"- Someone thought to do that literally. Again my point is that we can believe something for the best of reasons but courts work on evidence. What do I personally believe? I believe it doesn't matter.

 

[Younigue]

I'm trying to figure out just how this could be more screwed up and I just remembered Cohen bragging he's with the Russian mob. If that is actually true, oh man. The RNC would have a bigwig in the Russian mafia and every single business dealing Trump made remotely connected to Cohen is going to be looked at for possible money laundering.

Craziest period in US history coming up.

but would he be considered a big wig? By their very nature "fixers" are meant to be kept at arm's length. Important yes and knows about the skeletons they themselves have buried and for who. They're dangerous for sure but they only know their part of the puzzle. Though being a lawyer does have the potential of making him exceptionally dangerous to Trump (and hopefully Hannity and Broidy).

Are any of Trump's lawyers above board?