Food is going up. WAY up.

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waggy

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Now you are trolling.

he is either trolling or as stupid as he is letting on. either way no use in debating with him. he can't understand the points you make.


lol truck in the water. /facepalm
 

Svnla

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he is either trolling or as stupid as he is letting on. either way no use in debating with him. he can't understand the points you make.


lol truck in the water. /facepalm

Yeah, trucking water for agriculture for all the vast land of the US. Might as well trucking water to reclaim the Sahara desert and feed the whole world...LOL :D

When he mentioned about the desalination plants, I provided links to point out the problems, and now he changed his plan..heheheheh.
 

Svnla

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I just did some research.

1 acre foot of water = 326,000 gallons. From my link above - 143 million of acre feet is about 46,618,000,000,000 gallons. Yeah, let truck all of those water. LOL.

A large truck is able to hold about 10,000 gallons. That would be a lot of trucks.
 
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MetalMat

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I just did some research.

1 acre foot of water = 326,000 gallons. From my link above - 143 million of acre feet is about 46,618,000,000,000 gallons. Yeah, let truck all of those water. LOL.

Anyone who thinks we can just truck over all that water is an idiot lol
 

Chiropteran

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Goodness, can you get it through your head? It is not just financial expensive but it is NOT feasible to truck the VAST amount of water for US agriculture. It is impossible to do so logistically.

We have been over this. If it's SO VAST, how can they possible plant all that corn? How can they get the manpower to harvest it all?

If you can water a 10X10 plot with x gallons of water, you can water 100000 such plots with 100000x water.

It scales. Linearly. Go back to middle school and study geometry so you can understand this concept. At NO point whatsoever does the size stop scaling linearly and go into the realm of impossible.
 

RPD

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We have been over this. If it's SO VAST, how can they possible plant all that corn? How can they get the manpower to harvest it all?

If you can water a 10X10 plot with x gallons of water, you can water 100000 such plots with 100000x water.

It scales. Linearly. Go back to middle school and study geometry so you can understand this concept. At NO point whatsoever does the size stop scaling linearly and go into the realm of impossible.
Geometry? Tell me, with these trucks, how fast can they unload the water in gallons per hour? How many hours would it take. Now how many hours does it normally take to water said fields.

On top of this, where are all the trucks going to physically be? Matter can't occupy the same space, so you have a bit of an issue trying to drive them all to one spot.
 

Chiropteran

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I just did some research.

1 acre foot of water = 326,000 gallons. From my link above - 143 million of acre feet is about 46,618,000,000,000 gallons. Yeah, let truck all of those water. LOL.

A large truck is able to hold about 10,000 gallons. That would be a lot of trucks.

Oh my god you are right. These corn fields are destroying all of our water. It's not global warming causing the water shortages, it must be the corn! WE MUST STOP THIS CORN MENACE IMMEDIATELY.
 

Chiropteran

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Geometry? Tell me, with these trucks, how fast can they unload the water in gallons per hour? How many hours would it take. Now how many hours does it normally take to water said fields.

On top of this, where are all the trucks going to physically be? Matter can't occupy the same space, so you have a bit of an issue trying to drive them all to one spot.

One spot? Are you not following? These corn fields cover VAST ACRES LARGER THAN ENTIRE STATES. There is plenty of space, it's not one little spot.


Cool it with the excessive trolling. No one is as stupid as you're pretending to be. -Admin DrPizza
 
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Baked

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You know what else is going up? Price of paper cups. I buy paper cup for my business every week and recently I noticed Costco jacked up the price of their paper cups by a whole damn dollar! That's ridiculous.

As for food, I always use coupons when I shop at Ralph and Vons.
 

BUTCH1

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It's rare to see ears of corn at my grocer at all, maybe twice since summer started, when they do have it it's now $.50/ear compared to $.20/ear just 2 years ago. I predict this will bite Obama right in the ass...
 

DrPizza

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Back on topic, I see a few people mentioned stocking up on beef now.


Wrong move. Because of so many failed corn crops, farmers aren't going to be able to afford to feed their cattle. The market is going to be flooded because farmers will downsize their herds. That's going to make the price of beef go down. (Though, then it will go back up later, as supply will drop.)
 

OverVolt

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Ultimately this will end up hurting restaurants the worst. At the grocery store its really easy to see like "oh olives are cheap, cheese got expensive, oranges are cheap, chicken got expensive" but a place like subway that uses lunchmeat, at a time when animal feed skyrockets, they don't have as much control. Plus that $5 pricepoint.

They tried to advertise the veggie delight, haha, but thats about all they can do. Almost everything at Mcdonalds has meat in it, poor bastards.

If a restaurant has a certain dish, that they make a certain way, they can't just cut the cheese out of it, etc. They will definitely lose business if they do. They'll be disappointing peoples expectations.

For now prices eating out are contained because of futures contracts, but it looks like eating out prices will spike in December. Its really not good though. I'm going to pinch my budget HARD at this.
 
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Northern Lawn

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Don't want to be an idiot but what's Israel irrigation?

It's how they conserve water in Israel. Basically it's irrigation but water flows through a plastic tube that has little holes in it to drip water to the roots of plants. It runs right on the ground, no water is sprayed in the air.
 

Northern Lawn

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Back on topic, I see a few people mentioned stocking up on beef now.


Wrong move. Because of so many failed corn crops, farmers aren't going to be able to afford to feed their cattle. The market is going to be flooded because farmers will downsize their herds. That's going to make the price of beef go down. (Though, then it will go back up later, as supply will drop.)

In Canada when we had the Mad Cow thing going on, Beef exports to the States were banned. Everyone thought prices were going to drop. The stores here never dropped their prices even though there was a growing excess of beef...ranchers were hurting so they started selling their own beef kind of like the way you see people selling potatoes on the side of the road. But there prices were the same as the store. Turns out Ranchers and farmers are greedy to.
 

RelaxTheMind

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how will this affect smaller towns and tucked away cities where everyone goes to a farmers market? i think bigger cities and major chains will suffer the most.

will it change for people that are on food stamps? maybe there will be an influx of even more people that will sham the system to get on food stamps.
 

OverVolt

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how will this affect smaller towns and tucked away cities where everyone goes to a farmers market? i think bigger cities and major chains will suffer the most.

Absolutely correct. They're not very happy about it :p

Inb4 lots of salad advertisements, soup advertisements, fruit advertisements, etc. etc.

I was already getting email spammed to try the veggie delight by subway.
 
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dmcowen674

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Back on topic, I see a few people mentioned stocking up on beef now.


Wrong move. Because of so many failed corn crops, farmers aren't going to be able to afford to feed their cattle. The market is going to be flooded because farmers will downsize their herds. That's going to make the price of beef go down. (Though, then it will go back up later, as supply will drop.)

That won't happen this time because they already have downsized the herds.

We just ate at Panda Express and they added $2 at the checkout because they now add more money if you order beef.

Expect this to be the norm and expect that $2 to go up and up.

I hate false advertising

The menu will say $5 for the dish but there will be a little star and below says add $5 for beef

Advertise it at $10 mother fuckers
 

OverVolt

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That won't happen this time because they already have downsized the herds.

We just ate at Panda Express and they added $2 at the checkout because they now add more money if you order beef.

Expect this to be the norm and expect that $2 to go up and up.

I hate false advertising

The menu will say $5 for the dish but there will be a little star and below says add $5 for beef

Advertise it at $10 mother fuckers
Oh damn that didn't take long to go down the pipeline.
 

waggy

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Back on topic, I see a few people mentioned stocking up on beef now.


Wrong move. Because of so many failed corn crops, farmers aren't going to be able to afford to feed their cattle. The market is going to be flooded because farmers will downsize their herds. That's going to make the price of beef go down. (Though, then it will go back up later, as supply will drop.)

dmCOWen is right on part. many Rangers have thinned the heard already. beef is going down.

hmm i might fill up my freezer and order a 1/4 a cow or so.
 

Red Squirrel

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I wonder if at some point they'll just have indoor grow fields. Basically a giant grow op but for legal stuff :p. Guess it would use way too much energy to run those lights and the heat though.

I'm pretty sure plants take in more energy than what they can produce (by burning or other means) so you could not even use the plants themselves to power the lights and other equipment.
 

OverVolt

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We should GPS tag the cows and let them roam free and find their own food, then come and get them when the just-in-time delivery system demands it so :)