Florida High School Shooting

[ch33zw1z]

I agree with you on the 4th Amendment being shit on. Just look at the lies and misinformation that was given to the FISA court judge so Hillary and Obama could spy on President Trump and his candidacy/transition/administration.

Cool story bro.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Cool story bro.

They're all cool when we agree with you.

 

[ch33zw1z]

They're all cool when we agree with you.

You're so old, lol.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I agree with you on the 4th Amendment being shit on. Just look at the lies and misinformation that was given to the FISA court judge so Hillary and Obama could spy on President Trump and his candidacy/transition/administration.

Yup just like Uncle Puti told you

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yup just like Uncle Puti told you

I just think the whole thing is pretty funny, the Russian trolls spent how much on our election? $40,000 or something? In some key states they spent under $100. The United States spent about $110,000,000.00 on Radio Free Europe last year given Europeans our wisdom on what their politics should be.

Don't mistake me, i'm very happy to spend that money on what is best for America and what is in our best interests, but why would you guys get so puckered up about Russians reciprocating ? You should expect it and be aware our enemies are always out to get us.

 

[Bird222]

Sure, if you ignore the beginning of the verbage.

No argument on the 4th being shit on?

Not ignoring it but it's not a contingent right. Having a militia is a good reason, but the right is for the people. Yeah, we need to do something about the 4th that has been trampled on.

 

[Jhhnn]

I just think the whole thing is pretty funny, the Russian trolls spent how much on our election? $40,000 or something? In some key states they spent under $100. The United States spent about $110,000,000.00 on Radio Free Europe last year given Europeans our wisdom on what their politics should be.

Don't mistake me, i'm very happy to spend that money on what is best for America and what is in our best interests, but why would you guys get so puckered up about Russians reciprocating ? You should expect it and be aware our enemies are always out to get us.

The Russians obviously spent millions. Radio Free Europe doesn't pretend to be something it's not, either, nor does RT.

And if you admit the Russians are out to get us, why do you think they supported Trump? For the MAGA, or because he's the worst choice we could have made?

 

[Jhhnn]

I agree with you on the 4th Amendment being shit on. Just look at the lies and misinformation that was given to the FISA court judge so Hillary and Obama could spy on President Trump and his candidacy/transition/administration.

The subject of the warrant had quit the campaign & wasn't part of the transition team or the Trump admin. But do prattle on.

 

[bradly1101]

Guns and the human brain, what could go wrong?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The Russians obviously spent millions. Radio Free Europe doesn't pretend to be something it's not, either, nor does RT.

And if you admit the Russians are out to get us, why do you think they supported Trump? For the MAGA, or because he's the worst choice we could have made?

They also supported Bernie and then supported anti-Trump rallies. Plain and simple they are the enemies of the United States and should be nuked as soon as we have an advantage to do so.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The subject of the warrant had quit the campaign & wasn't part of the transition team or the Trump admin. But do prattle on.

So you agree that the Obama administration lied to the FISA judge.

 

[esquared]

More conspiracy scum, comes out after another shooting.
http://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...ts-come-under-attack-for-their-outspokenness/

 

[Pipeline 1010]

More conspiracy scum, comes out after another shooting.
http://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...ts-come-under-attack-for-their-outspokenness/

I don't know about this. I saw the guy's picture in the article and he looks pretty trustworthy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not ignoring it but it's not a contingent right. Having a militia is a good reason, but the right is for the people. Yeah, we need to do something about the 4th that has been trampled on.

Literally says it at the beginning. It's the entire premise of the 2A. If people took what the 2A was written for seriously, and weren't so lazy, every state would have the means to help fight against an over reaching centralized government. It's a joke, and a feel good notion, and in no way would anyone or combined efforts of states stop a hostile takeover by the feds. We completely rely on the feds to protect us both domestic and abroad.

Gun owners, fuck your feels.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Literally says it at the beginning. It's the entire premise of the 2A. If people took what the 2A was written for seriously, and weren't so lazy, every state would have the means to help fight against an over reaching centralized government.

It looks like a certain someone hasn't read what the writers of the 2A have to say about gun ownership. Else-wise she mightn't have made this comment.

It's a joke, and a feel good notion, and in no way would anyone or combined efforts of states stop a hostile takeover by the feds. We completely rely on the feds to protect us both domestic and abroad.

You might be right about this, but citizens with guns HAVE been known to overthrow evil governments. You might even live in a country where just this very thing has happened.

Gun owners, fuck your feels.

You probably aren't smart enough to recognize the irony of emotionally telling someone to fuck their emotions.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Literally says it at the beginning. It's the entire premise of the 2A.

The first line is not with the second statement, but explains a second right of the People if blank occurs. No free State means one can produce a militia. 2A does not imply it has to be with militias or not. Only that the militia is vital to the security of the free State.

For example, if Trump somehow passed a White/Christian supremacy bill. Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims, etc have fun in the camps, etc. You bet your dickbutt those people are not going to have any of that.

For those wackos... if Obama somehow passed a Black/Muslim supremacy bill. You know white people are not going to have any of that!

Broad example; Freedom of Speech is removed, you may only speak in government approved words. Failure to do this means your right to vote is removed. You still have to pay taxes.

2A comes into play.

Specific example; Second amendment is removed from the constitution.

2A comes into play. Removal of the amendment means the State is no longer free.

 

[jackstar7]

You have not addressed the question. Why is it different for the 2A from the others? Maybe folks like you are motivated to think it doesn't mean what it says.

Who said it was different? I said it can be changed. Any of them can. That's why I mentioned the courts and Congress. This might blow your mind, but the 2A has been screwed with a lot over the years. Only recently has it become some kind of biblical verse to a swath of people who might need to find a new hobby.

Is there a good reason to address the others? I haven't seen one.

 

[jackstar7]

The false equivalencies in this thread/topic. I wish I had time to go through and tally them up. It's priceless.

 

[ivwshane]

The first line is not with the second statement, but explains a second right of the People if blank occurs. No free State means one can produce a militia. 2A does not imply it has to be with militias or not. Only that the militia is vital to the security of the free State.

For example, if Trump somehow passed a White/Christian supremacy bill. Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims, etc have fun in the camps, etc. You bet your dickbutt those people are not going to have any of that.

For those wackos... if Obama somehow passed a Black/Muslim supremacy bill. You know white people are not going to have any of that!

Broad example; Freedom of Speech is removed, you may only speak in government approved words. Failure to do this means your right to vote is removed. You still have to pay taxes.

2A comes into play.

Specific example; Second amendment is removed from the constitution.

2A comes into play. Removal of the amendment means the State is no longer free.

Where do people this stupid come from?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Where do people this stupid come from?

Jesus and guns bro.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It looks like a certain someone hasn't read what the writers of the 2A have to say about gun ownership. Else-wise she mightn't have made this comment.



You might be right about this, but citizens with guns HAVE been known to overthrow evil governments. You might even live in a country where just this very thing has happened.



You probably aren't smart enough to recognize the irony of emotionally telling someone to fuck their emotions.

You assume quite a bit.

1. Yes, I've read much about how the 2a came about. How long ago was that exactly.

2. If you want to delude yourself into thinking it's even close to the same situation as when the colonies fought back and won, go for it. I choose reality, where gun ownership is already not commonplace, and the feds firepower far out weigh what the plebes have.

3. Nothing emotional about it. You assume too much. In my idealist mind, citizens should be able to own anything the feds can, and gun owners would be part of state militia that have vetting processes for both mental and physical health. It's what the 2a is for, this is how I support gun ownership, and this is a responsible means for people to effectively defend against an over reaching centralized government. Anything else is superfluous nonsense that feeds in emotional bonds to killing machines, and not patriotic, and not humane

Realistically, if you just wanna see Google for results, you know that's not what it's like today. But good luck in the war on the feds, I'm sure it will play out in your favor.

 

[NostaSeronx]

1. Yes, I've read much about how the 2a came about. How long ago was that exactly.

Had to search for awhile.. essentially the conclusion is militia is everyone.

 

[glenn1]

So the will of the majority means nothing?
And instead of hearing from students that lived through it and hearing their concerns, The FL House decided they knew better without listening to their constituents, real democracy in action.

We overrule the will of the majority to protect the rights of minorities all the time. That’s how we have gay marriage, transgender bathroom rights, affirmative action, desegregation, etc. And when we disregard that principle you get things like slavery, Japanese internment camps, people getting fired or blacklisted for being gay or communist, etc.

No I am not attempting to compare your average redneck toting a Mossberg to MLK but folks still shouldn’t be so glib about taking away or restricting people’s rights because it’s not one you personally don’t typically exercise. At a bare minimum being civil means when rights absolutely MUST be restricted you seek the least possible way of doing so. Broad based bans like Fskimospy and others suggest hardly meet that category and indeed go way further mostly to spite the rights of gun owning minorit it seems.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Had to search for awhile.. essentially the conclusion is militia is everyone.

And no link either.

So now, include the full verbage, well regulated, and keep going with it.

 

[NostaSeronx]

And no link either.

So now, include the full verbage, well regulated, and keep going with it.

The well regulated part isn't what you think it means.
- Can you fire a gun?
- Can you follow orders?

Good you are well-regulated.

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http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/beararms/STATECON.HTM
^-- then you have this list which.

Overwhelmingly, it is the people over the militia. As the militia they want is not a standing militia, but rather a people ready to be called forth.

This:
"That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free State."
Is equal to;
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

As they meant the same thing to the ratifiers.

Overall, the United States eventually allowed for two standing militia's the select militia and the unorganized militia. Which are not the militias allowed for in the constitution.