Florida High School Shooting

[umbrella39]

This cold, dead hands thing is really starting to overtake the simple conservative brain that is already overwrought with an overactive fear center...

 

[Puffnstuff]

A mob... like a Trump rally? Like the very fine people who showed up in Charlottesville to protect their southern heritage?

Funny how they could muster the strength to show up at a klan rally but couldn't go to his inauguration.

 

[Puffnstuff]

This cold, dead hands thing is really starting to overtake the simple conservative brain that is already overwrought with an overactive fear center...

It's the right's version of a brain eating amoeba.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The well regulated part isn't what you think it means.
- Can you fire a gun?
- Can you follow orders?

Good you are well-regulated.

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http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/beararms/STATECON.HTM
^-- then you have this list which.

Overwhelmingly, it is the people over the militia. As the militia they want is not a standing militia, but rather a people ready to be called forth.

This:
"That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free State."
Is equal to;
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

As they meant the same thing to the ratifiers.

Those are your critieria? Fire and gun and follow orders. America was born out of only one of those. Following orders from who exactly?

 

[NostaSeronx]

Following orders from who exactly?

Fellow citizens in defense of the free State.

2nd Amendment with the whole of the constitution gives these rights;
-> To own and bear arms.
-> To create militias with proper arms training(aka well-regulated) for the defense of the free State.

To the People.

 

[Jhhnn]

So you agree that the Obama administration lied to the FISA judge.

Not at all. I do point out that the warrant was not obtained for the purposes you state, spying on the Trump campaign.

How does the FBI spy on the Trump campaign tapping the phone of somebody no longer part of the campaign? Is it one of those Kenyan voodoo time warp mind control things, or what?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Fellow citizens in defense of the free State.

Lol, apparently you have no concept of reality.

 

[Bird222]

You assume quite a bit.

1. Yes, I've read much about how the 2a came about. How long ago was that exactly.

2. If you want to delude yourself into thinking it's even close to the same situation as when the colonies fought back and won, go for it. I choose reality, where gun ownership is already not commonplace, and the feds firepower far out weigh what the plebes have.

3. Nothing emotional about it. You assume too much. In my idealist mind, citizens should be able to own anything the feds can, and gun owners would be part of state militia that have vetting processes for both mental and physical health. It's what the 2a is for, this is how I support gun ownership, and this is a responsible means for people to effectively defend against an over reaching centralized government. Anything else is superfluous nonsense that feeds in emotional bonds to killing machines, and not patriotic, and not humane

Realistically, if you just wanna see Google for results, you know that's not what it's like today. But good luck in the war on the feds, I'm sure it will play out in your favor.

You assume here that all the people in the government are going to be against the citizens. I bet a fair amount of them will turn on the government too. You can be sure your chances are greatly improved with a gun versus not having one though.

 

[HomerJS]

I agree with you on the 4th Amendment being shit on. Just look at the lies and misinformation that was given to the FISA court judge so Hillary and Obama could spy on President Trump and his candidacy/transition/administration.

Oh and it had nothing to do with a drunk George Papadopolous spilling his guts to an Australian diplomat?

You are either a delusional fool or a Russian bot.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You assume here that all the people in the government are going to be against the citizens. I bet a fair amount of them will turn on the government too. You can be sure your chances are greatly improved with a gun versus not having one though.

It only takes a few to pilot the drone strikes bro. The automation of these things means operations can be handed off to whoever.

The fire power the plebes have will not make up the difference even with a full on revolt.

The wealthy ruling class have the most to fear, and since they're sitting on piles of money, can literally hire replacements. Man is easily corruptible.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Lol, apparently you have no concept of reality.

Man there are some scary folks typing in here. The founding fathers would definitely have reworded some things if they could've looked forward to this train wreck of a society we've got now.

 

[fskimospy]

Man there are some scary folks typing in here. The founding fathers would definitely have reworded some things if they could've looked forward to this train wreck of a society we've got now.

In fact, some of them were against the idea of a permanent constitution for precisely this reason. They thought it was a bad idea for future generations to be bound to the rules and mistakes of people who came before them.

I think any reasonable person knows that the founding fathers royally fucked up some parts of the constitution. Unfortunately our politics has become so ossified it’s impossible to correct these mistakes.

 

[Puffnstuff]

In fact, some of them were against the idea of a permanent constitution for precisely this reason. They thought it was a bad idea for future generations to be bound to the rules and mistakes of people who came before them.

I think any reasonable person knows that the founding fathers royally fucked up some parts of the constitution. Unfortunately our politics has become so ossified it’s impossible to correct these mistakes.

That is also why they included provisions to write law so that society could adapt to the changing needs of the people. With such a deep divide on so many issues and lots of corporate backed lobbyists influencing lawmakers positions its nearly impossible to get them to act on the behalf of the people anymore.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Man there are some scary folks typing in here. The founding fathers would definitely have reworded some things if they could've looked forward to this train wreck of a society we've got now.

I definitely support gun right and ownership. Its just been twisted to facilitate money for certain people, and used to keep the plebes squabbling while the wealthy crush us and squeeze us for all we're worth. When the USA has nothing left, they'll simply move.

 

[mdram]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/2...dia-is-using-tragedy-to-push-gun-control.html

“I wholeheartedly believe that the media is politicizing this tragedy,” Minoff said. “It seems that gun control laws is the major topic of conversation rather than focusing on the bigger issue of 17 innocent lives being taken at the hands of another human.”

Minoff said students at the school are well-meaning and passionate on both sides of the contentious gun issue. At least 100 students from the school were expected to march in front of the State Capital in Tallahassee on Wednesday to demand stricter gun laws. Dozens of his classmates have willingly approached reporters and anchors to advocate for what they see as solutions to stop the school shooting epidemic. But Minoff said not all of the students at the school share the same stance -- yet most of the coverage has ignored those who favor gun rights.

“I know many people who are pro-gun and others who support gun control but it seems that the media is specifically targeting those in support of gun control to make it seem as if they are the majority, and the liberal news outlets are the ones that seem to make the bigger effort to speak to these people, and I'm talking from experience,” said Minoff, who was interviewed on cable news in primetime.

 

[HomerJS]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/2...dia-is-using-tragedy-to-push-gun-control.html

“I wholeheartedly believe that the media is politicizing this tragedy,” Minoff said. “It seems that gun control laws is the major topic of conversation rather than focusing on the bigger issue of 17 innocent lives being taken at the hands of another human.”

Minoff said students at the school are well-meaning and passionate on both sides of the contentious gun issue. At least 100 students from the school were expected to march in front of the State Capital in Tallahassee on Wednesday to demand stricter gun laws. Dozens of his classmates have willingly approached reporters and anchors to advocate for what they see as solutions to stop the school shooting epidemic. But Minoff said not all of the students at the school share the same stance -- yet most of the coverage has ignored those who favor gun rights.

“I know many people who are pro-gun and others who support gun control but it seems that the media is specifically targeting those in support of gun control to make it seem as if they are the majority, and the liberal news outlets are the ones that seem to make the bigger effort to speak to these people, and I'm talking from experience,” said Minoff, who was interviewed on cable news in primetime.

Taking opinions from the same network that promoted bitherism? Just askin'

I'm sure if there are students who want to be interviewed favoring no changes in background checks or allowing mentally unstable people to keep their guns, they could get air time.

 

[Homerboy]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pat-robertson-gun-control_us_5a8d0682e4b03414379b751c

Cripes - even Pat Robertson is calling for stricter gun laws.

 

[mdram]

Taking opinions from the same network that promoted bitherism? Just askin'

quoting a student survivor, as no other media outlet will print it
theres a video, you can hear it from him if you like

 

[HomerJS]

quoting a student survivor, as no other media outlet will print it
theres a video, you can hear it from him if you like

Again, dissenting opinions can easily get air time

 

[glenn1]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pat-robertson-gun-control_us_5a8d0682e4b03414379b751c

Cripes - even Pat Robertson is calling for stricter gun laws.

Quote from the article:

The AR-15-style rifle used in the Florida school shooting, as well as several other mass killings, is a semiautomatic. Since it is not an automatic weapon, it would not be affected by the ban Robertson suggested.

 

[mdram]

Again, dissenting opinions can easily get air time

you keep thinking that

 

[Homerboy]

Quote from the article:

The AR-15-style rifle used in the Florida school shooting, as well as several other mass killings, is a semiautomatic. Since it is not an automatic weapon, it would not be affected by the ban Robertson suggested.

Uhhh so? You really cherry picked that ONE quote? You skipped the other items he suggested.

Robertson, who suffered a stroke earlier this month, asked for a ban on “bump stocks,” which allow semiautomatic weapons to fire as rapidly as machine guns. Weapons with bump stocks were used last year by Stephen Paddock during the Las Vegas shooting, which left 58 people dead and hundreds injured.

Robertson also called for more thorough background checks, including a medical check.

 

[HomerJS]

quoting a student survivor, as no other media outlet will print it
theres a video, you can hear it from him if you like

Wait a second. This guy is batching about not interviewing pro-gun students when this happened??

A survivor of the deadly shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who was previously interviewed by CNN and MSNBC following the mass shooting, told Fox News he believes certain media outlets are politicizing the tragedy to push gun control.

Really?

 

[mdram]

Wait a second. This guy is batching about not interviewing pro-gun students when this happened??


Really?

ans where is that footage? article?
buried

 

[glenn1]

Uhhh so? You really cherry picked that ONE quote? You skipped the other items he suggested.

Bump stock bans aren't particularly controversial and it sounds like an administrative/regulatory ban on them is already in the works, not a more permanent legislative fix but that might be coming also. "Medical checks" is nebulous enough to be meaningless, many pediatricians already inquire about guns in the home and that could be considered to be a "medical check."