Florida High School Shooting

[ivwshane]

They aren't illegal to own, you just need the appropriate type of license. Ditto for fully automatic weapons ("machine guns"), explosives, and any other number of things. Almost never is something completely banned with basically no exceptions like during the Assault Weapons Ban.

So an ordinary citizen can get a grenade? No. Sorry. They would have to have a license and the chances of them getting that license is small. For all intents and purposes you cannot own a grenade and it is not just a matter of filling out some paperwork.

So now that we cleared that up, perhaps you can answer the question of why you can't own one.

 

[zinfamous]

how low can you sink? this slow

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is using Wednesday’s mass shooting that left 17 people dead to ask for campaign donations.

The DNC on Thursday sent out an emotional email, signed by DNC chair Tom Perez, asking supporters to sign a petition which requires giving the DNC your email address and zip code, and is automatically re-directed to a donation page asking for money.

oh my how awful! damn you guys are thoroughly frigid with your snawflakeness. The DNC is seeking donations (as all political parties do) to help them rid this country of the one party that has proven, again and again and again, that they absolutely do not care about your murdered children. The GOP and anyone that supports them will literally walk over the corpse of your bullet-ridden child to pick up a check from the NRA.

That's a fact.

But how truly deplorable that the DNC seek aid to rid this country of such vile villains!

 

[realibrad]

Yes, you are. Killing people engaged in violent rebellion is not even remotely the same thing as killing gun owners and you know it.

If the intent is to cull society of violent people, that is horrific. If the intent is defense, that is a horrific amount of death. What is purposed by the word culling is not defensive. Maybe he wanted to use a different word, but the meaning of what he said is to slaughter millions to stop gun deaths.

You guys aren’t doing your argument any favors by trying to peddle this transparent, dishonest nonsense.

If someone says something, I don't think its dishonest to believe that they intended to say what they said. You are trying to argue he meant defensive, but culling does not mean that.

 

[zinfamous]

No, they are not saying that. It should be obvious however if you think you have a group of armed citizens who are willing to unleash a bloodbath instead of accepting laws they disagree with then we have a problem and they probably shouldn’t be trusted with weapons.

"If we start killing you for changing the law...it's not our fault! It's your fault!"
likewise:
"We voted for Trump, but it's not our fault that he won!"

checks out.

 

[fskimospy]

If the intent is to cull society of violent people, that is horrific. If the intent is defense, that is a horrific amount of death. What is purposed by the word culling is not defensive. Maybe he wanted to use a different word, but the meaning of what he said is to slaughter millions to stop gun deaths.

If someone says something, I don't think its dishonest to believe that they intended to say what they said. You are trying to argue he meant defensive, but culling does not mean that.

Oh good, the descent into pedantry has started. It is entirely obvious what was meant in the context of the discussion.

No thanks, I’m done responding to this stupidity.

 

[fskimospy]

"If we start killing you for changing the law...it's not our fault! It's your fault!"
likewise:
"We voted for Trump, but it's not our fault that he won!"

checks out.

The party of personal responsibility is positively allergic to taking personal responsibility for their choices.

 

[mdram]

oh my how awful! damn you guys are thoroughly frigid with your snawflakeness. The DNC is seeking donations (as all political parties do) to help them rid this country of the one party that has proven, again and again and again, that they absolutely do not care about your murdered children. The GOP and anyone that supports them will literally walk over the corpse of your bullet-ridden child to pick up a check from the NRA.

That's a fact.

But how truly deplorable that the DNC seek aid to rid this country of such vile villains!

so you would be ok if the gop and nra did the same thing?

 

[realibrad]

Oh good, the descent into pedantry has started. It is entirely obvious what was meant in the context of the discussion.

No thanks, I’m done responding to this stupidity.

Your mind appears to be broken. The premise of the comment is that banning guns to get them to attack will be a good thing because now you can murder all the people and get peace. That is horrible. You are smart enough to get that, but, you can never admit when you are wrong. So you will accuse me of being pedantic and move on. Amazingly weak character.

 

[fskimospy]

so you would be ok if the gop and nra did the same thing?

I wonder if there’s a difference between raising money after a tragedy to prevent the next one as opposed to raising money after a tragedy to ensure things don’t change.

 

[mdram]

I wonder if there’s a difference between raising money after a tragedy to prevent the next one as opposed to raising money after a tragedy to ensure things don’t change.

you do know the nra has more firearms safety course that anyone else.

 

[fskimospy]

Your mind appears to be broken. The premise of the comment is that banning guns to get them to attack will be a good thing because now you can murder all the people and get peace. That is horrible. You are smart enough to get that, but, you can never admit when you are wrong. So you will accuse me of being pedantic and move on. Amazingly weak character.

Uh oh, the master of deliberate obtuseness and pedantry has a poor opinion of my character.

 

[zerocool84]

you do know the nra has more firearms safety course that anyone else.

Lulz

What does that have to do with people being murdered?

 

[Jhhnn]

so anti 2a's are now saying they want to kill people that own guns?

wow, just wow

Just one guy.

 

[fskimospy]

you do know the nra has more firearms safety course that anyone else.

I was unaware that this murder of 17 people was due to an accidental discharge.

 

[momeNt]

Your mind appears to be broken. The premise of the comment is that banning guns to get them to attack will be a good thing because now you can murder all the people and get peace. That is horrible. You are smart enough to get that, but, you can never admit when you are wrong. So you will accuse me of being pedantic and move on. Amazingly weak character.

Jeez I make one small comment about massive loss of life due to revolt and all hell breaks lose.

This is what I meant.

1. America bans guns outright, gun ownership is now illegal, turn in your guns.
2. Certain Americans don't turn in their guns.
3. Law enforcement forcibly removes their guns.
4. People die - (culling)
5. No more guns, now that we have confirmed all guns are gone, we can now remove law enforcement's guns.
6. Peace.

 

[zinfamous]

so you would be ok if the gop and nra did the same thing?

Uh, the GOP and especially NRA already exploit bloodbaths to seek donations...but that is always to generate more bloodbaths by stoking fear that their bloodbaths are going to lead to evil leftists taking away der guns.

It looks like the Dems are seeking aid to remove these murdering institutions from power and influence, so I'm not really sure what kind of comparison you are trying to make here.

 

[mdram]

Jeez I make one small comment about massive loss of life due to revolt and all hell breaks lose.

This is what I meant.

1. America bans guns outright, gun ownership is now illegal, turn in your guns.
2. Certain Americans don't turn in their guns.
3. Law enforcement forcibly removes their guns.
4. People die - (culling)
5. No more guns, now that we have confirmed all guns are gone, we can now remove law enforcement's guns.
6. Peace.

culling - educe the population of (a wild animal) by selective slaughter.

 

[realibrad]

Just one guy.

No, you are not allowed to think that, because that makes you obtuse and pedantic. Don't get lumped in with me.

 

[zinfamous]

Lulz

What does that have to do with people being murdered?

It insured that the killer's aim was steady, true, that he did not injure himself or any innocent bystanders that weren't in the periphery of his gunsights. If the NRA can be trusted for anything, it's that their wonderful safety training and responsibility courses insure that mass murderers are highly effective and maintain all safety standards when discharging their murder.

 

[mdram]

Just one guy.

so he is not a typical anti 2a?
but you lump all 2a supporters together.

if we are all the same, then you must also be

 

[SlowSpyder]

Jeez I make one small comment about massive loss of life due to revolt and all hell breaks lose.

This is what I meant.

1. America bans guns outright, gun ownership is now illegal, turn in your guns.
2. Certain Americans don't turn in their guns.
3. Law enforcement forcibly removes their guns.
4. People die - (culling)
5. No more guns, now that we have confirmed all guns are gone, we can now remove law enforcement's guns.
6. Peace.

You think there'd be peace if guns were forcibly removed from the populace? Interdasting.

 

[realibrad]

Jeez I make one small comment about massive loss of life due to revolt and all hell breaks lose.

This is what I meant.

1. America bans guns outright, gun ownership is now illegal, turn in your guns.
2. Certain Americans don't turn in their guns.
3. Law enforcement forcibly removes their guns.
4. People die - (culling)
5. No more guns, now that we have confirmed all guns are gone, we can now remove law enforcement's guns.
6. Peace.

Then it appears you do not understand the implications of the word culling and you should have used a different one.

The reason is that by using the word culling, you are implying that you picked them to die, and the only way to say that is if you intended to have them killed by enacting the gun ban. Thus, if your goal by banning guns is to kill off people, that is horrible.

People dying is not the same as culling if that is what you meant.

 

[umbrella39]

You'd think the use of false equivalence would stop people from making fallacious arguments...

 

[IJTSSG]

You guys aren’t doing your argument any favors by trying to peddle this transparent, dishonest nonsense.

says the guy who said "to preserve your ability to kill your fellow citizens is a pretty shitty freedom to fight for in my opinion"

Now that's comedy.

 

[glenn1]

Again, the argument that instead of obeying the law people will engage in mass murder sure makes it seem like they shouldn’t be trusted with guns. The obvious recommendation would be gradual attempts to disarm these fanatics to limit whatever damage they can do.

Funny you don’t feel the same about abortion restrictions then. If they can’t obey late term abortion restrictions then they shouldn’t be entrusted with any abortions at all.