Florida High School Shooting

[Commodus]

how low can you sink? this slow

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is using Wednesday’s mass shooting that left 17 people dead to ask for campaign donations.

The DNC on Thursday sent out an emotional email, signed by DNC chair Tom Perez, asking supporters to sign a petition which requires giving the DNC your email address and zip code, and is automatically re-directed to a donation page asking for money.

That may be unsubtle, but low? Not really. Low is Republicans taking bribes from the NRA so that they treat frequent mass murders as a small price to pay for overgrown boys to play with their shiny toys.

 

[fskimospy]

So let me turn around the earlier question on you, How many gun owners are you willing to see killed in order to reach your aim? Because it will surely surpass the amount of kids being killed in mass shootings at schools. Or maybe it won’t, since previously peaceful gun owners might lash out now that their lives are being threatened. You can get to enjoy a real life home grown Taliban movement right here in the good old US of A.

The argument that gun nuts are so insane that they might unleash a bloodbath if their guns are threatened seems like an excellent argument for getting guns out of their hands, no?

 

[realibrad]

The argument that gun nuts are so insane that they might unleash a bloodbath if their guns are threatened seems like an excellent argument for getting guns out of their hands, no?

Not if the argument is that to stop smaller bloodbaths you cause a drastically larger bloodbath. I'm assuming you are not going with his hypothetical and are suggesting we do it in a way that does not cause it, but I'm just being pedantic I suppose.

 

[momeNt]

So let me turn around the earlier question on you, How many gun owners are you willing to see killed in order to reach your aim? Because it will surely surpass the amount of kids being killed in mass shootings at schools. Or maybe it won’t, since previously peaceful gun owners might lash out now that their lives are being threatened. You can get to enjoy a real life home grown Taliban movement right here in the good old US of A.

If you think about it, having one final culling, to bring about peace on earth, is probably worth it.

 

[fskimospy]

Not if the argument is that to stop smaller bloodbaths you cause a drastically larger bloodbath. I'm assuming you are not going with his hypothetical and are suggesting we do it in a way that does not cause it, but I'm just being pedantic I suppose.

Again, the argument that instead of obeying the law people will engage in mass murder sure makes it seem like they shouldn’t be trusted with guns. The obvious recommendation would be gradual attempts to disarm these fanatics to limit whatever damage they can do.

 

[realibrad]

If you think about it, having one final culling, to bring about peace on earth, is probably worth it.

Gun Nuts: We need guns to protect ourselves from government and we just have to accept the thousands that die because of it.

Anti-gun Nuts: We need a good culling of people who own guns and we just have to accept that we need to kill off millions.

#becomethemonsteryouhate

 

[mdram]

so anti 2a's are now saying they want to kill people that own guns?

wow, just wow

 

[fskimospy]

so anti 2a's are now saying they want to kill people that own guns?

wow, just wow

No, they are not saying that. It should be obvious however if you think you have a group of armed citizens who are willing to unleash a bloodbath instead of accepting laws they disagree with then we have a problem and they probably shouldn’t be trusted with weapons.

 

[realibrad]

Again, the argument that instead of obeying the law people will engage in mass murder sure makes it seem like they shouldn’t be trusted with guns. The obvious recommendation would be gradual attempts to disarm these fanatics to limit whatever damage they can do.

My pedantic mind says you could do that, or you could try and help people with an obvious mental health problem, or a mixture of both. We have had guns in this country from the start, and this is more of a recent thing. Something in society is different compared to 50 or so years ago. Guns make things worse when someone wants to commit violence, but something has changed in our society. I don't think that the closing of psychiatric hospitals around that time was just a coincidence.

 

[mdram]

If you think about it, having one final culling, to bring about peace on earth, is probably worth it.

No, they are not saying that. It should be obvious however if you think you have a group of armed citizens who are willing to unleash a bloodbath instead of accepting laws they disagree with then we have a problem and they probably shouldn’t be trusted with weapons.

looks like it.
where is it stated that armed citizens what to unleash a bloodbath?

 

[realibrad]

No, they are not saying that. It should be obvious however if you think you have a group of armed citizens who are willing to unleash a bloodbath instead of accepting laws they disagree with then we have a problem and they probably shouldn’t be trusted with weapons.

No, someone just did.

If you think about it, having one final culling, to bring about peace on earth, is probably worth it.

 

[momeNt]

No, they are not saying that. It should be obvious however if you think you have a group of armed citizens who are willing to unleash a bloodbath instead of accepting laws they disagree with then we have a problem and they probably shouldn’t be trusted with weapons.

I mean that's almost sounds like the founding principles of America. We are freedom fighters.

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” -George Orwell

 

[momeNt]

No, someone just did.

I am pro 2a - but willing to accept peace on earth in exchange for my guns.

 

[realibrad]

I am pro 2a - but willing to accept peace on earth in exchange for my guns.

And willing to have millions culled. You may just be the next Gandhi, oh wait no, because he did not want to kill millions to stop gun violence. So upstanding, much wow.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

My pedantic mind says you could do that, or you could try and help people with an obvious mental health problem, or a mixture of both. We have had guns in this country from the start, and this is more of a recent thing. Something in society is different compared to 50 or so years ago. Guns make things worse when someone wants to commit violence, but something has changed in our society. I don't think that the closing of psychiatric hospitals around that time was just a coincidence.

You actually admitting that guns make it worse, that one little sentence, is already more than most 2A people will even admit. Guns are their solution. Not the problem.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't know if it was about the Russia thing, and Trump is an idiot, but the FBI did mess up here. Do you not agree with that part, or are you just saying he is stupid for the Russia thing?

It certainly appears that the FBI messed up here, but I'm not sure that we know the details of why they didn't follow through, or if they did and really couldn't do much because of, well, laws?

But the thing here is that the rotund Orange Child with the tweetfingers thinks that the FBI is incapable of doing more than two things at once, that there is essentially one team at the FBI that is entirely devoted to a single investigation at all times.
This kind of nonsense works for the idiots that still support Trump, so he keeps tweeting it

 

[fskimospy]

No, someone just did.

That was in reference to them attempting to rise up against the government, causing mass death, not that they should simply be killed.

Let’s not do the deliberately obtuse thing so early.

 

[realibrad]

You actually admitting that guns make it worse, that one little sentence, is already more than most 2A people will even admit. Guns are their solution. Not the problem.

I'm not sure guns are "the" problem. As I said, we have had guns in this country from the start. Mass shootings like this are a relatively recent thing that started right around the time we started closing psychiatric hospitals. We closed them for all of the abuse and because we had drugs that did amazing things, but we also did away with taking people out of society that were dangerous. Guns were still used for murder, but not these mass shootings like they are now. Taking guns away from unfit people is fine by me which is more than many on the Right are willing to do, but lets not pretend that guns are the only issue here.

 

[fskimospy]

I mean that's almost sounds like the founding principles of America. We are freedom fighters.

Seems like unleashing a bloodbath to preserve your ability to kill your fellow citizens is a pretty shitty freedom to fight for in my opinion.

 

[realibrad]

It certainly appears that the FBI messed up here, but I'm not sure that we know the details of why they didn't follow through, or if they did and really couldn't do much because of, well, laws?

Hopefully its figured out in the investigation and corrected. As far as I know, they have every right to see him in person and do an investigation. It appears nothing was triggered from that CNN article I read.

But the thing here is that the rotund Orange Child with the tweetfingers thinks that the FBI is incapable of doing more than two things at once, that there is essentially one team at the FBI that is entirely devoted to a single investigation at all times.
This kind of nonsense works for the idiots that still support Trump, so he keeps tweeting it

Agreed.

 

[momeNt]

Seems like unleashing a bloodbath to preserve your ability to kill your fellow citizens is a pretty shitty freedom to fight for in my opinion.

I will always maintain my ability to kill fellow citizens. I possess a high degree of muscle mass and have testicles. 90% of all murderers have that in common in common while I think the number of firearm murders is 70% of the total. You are the weapon my friend.

 

[realibrad]

That was in reference to them attempting to rise up against the government, causing mass death, not that they should simply be killed.

Let’s not do the deliberately obtuse thing so early.

Attempting to rise up, and in response "reduce the population of (a wild animal) by selective slaughter." Yeah, and I'm the one being obtuse.

 

[FIVR]

Seems like unleashing a bloodbath to preserve your ability to kill your fellow citizens is a pretty shitty freedom to fight for in my opinion.

Republicans are all about shitty freedoms - freedom to smoke, freedom to gamble, freedom to shoot up your self/family. Freedom to work in the mines. Freedom to pollute. Freedom to live in the same shithole place and do the same shithole things forever.

I could go on.

 

[momeNt]

Attempting to rise up, and in response "reduce the population of (a wild animal) by selective slaughter." Yeah, and I'm the one being obtuse.

We haven't even heard the proposals, it may just be extreme vetting, and allowing existing gun owners a fast-track to being vetted to be able to keep them. It may not be full non-voluntary disarmament.

 

[fskimospy]

Attempting to rise up, and in response "reduce the population of (a wild animal) by selective slaughter." Yeah, and I'm the one being obtuse.

Yes, you are. Killing people engaged in violent rebellion is not even remotely the same thing as killing gun owners and you know it.

You guys aren’t doing your argument any favors by trying to peddle this transparent, dishonest nonsense.