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Florida Gov Scott signs bill forcing welfare drug tests

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KGB said:
If any of you think Scott is doing this to protect the tax dollars in Florida, you are sorely mistaken. Under the guise of Welfare Reform, Scott is giving a big handout to his health-care cronies (who do you think is gonna administer the drug tests?).

Scott stole MILLIONS of Medicare dollars, as a 'businessman' and ducked out his own back door right before the Feds came swooping in. He used OUR Federal dollars to buy the election last year (he funded the bulk of his own campaign).
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I am still shocked to this day his medicare scams didnt cost him his political career..


If you look at polls now however the people of florida see him for who he is.
 
KGB said:
If any of you think Scott is doing this to protect the tax dollars in Florida, you are sorely mistaken. Under the guise of Welfare Reform, Scott is giving a big handout to his health-care cronies (who do you think is gonna administer the drug tests?).

Scott stole MILLIONS of Medicare dollars, as a 'businessman' and ducked out his own back door right before the Feds came swooping in. He used OUR Federal dollars to buy the election last year (he funded the bulk of his own campaign).
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This!
 
My wife makes a good point... "What about the children?"

So this is to curb TANF support to drug users who are going to turn around and sell their support for a hit. The children in a household are getting screwed over already. But my wife's point, arguably poignant, is what's going to happen to the kids without this support going to their families?

My guess is that someone tests dirty, then child services comes in and removes the kids from the home and puts them in foster care. Again, arguably a GOOD thing for the child (if foster care was actually decent in the first place, but that's another story). But then the state is picking up the tab for those kids and subsidizing the foster care family on top of that.

Net savings for the state just went into the red versus handing out TANF to the druggies, and you have a massive influx of kids into the foster care system which already can't support the load it currently has.

Way to go politicians... you've thought this one through!
 
I think it's a pretty good idea concept wise. If they have money to spend on drugs, they must not have it bad enough to need assistance.

However. What about alcohol, which is one of the most deadly drugs out there and leaves your system in a very short period of time?

If Joe pothead loses his kids because he likes to smoke a little pot, and joe alcoholic beats his kids and gets to keep them because he can piss clean... there will be outrage.
 
Red Dawn said:
Lets take it one step further Bonzo, lets test everyone taking their Driver's test. He they are using taxpayers money in the form of roads. Lets also test all the kids using public Schools as they too are using tazpayers money.
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🙄

You really need to grow up.
 
But it will be OK to continue to waste the taxpayer money on cigarettes and booze. Yep, this is the solution! It's funny to watch when people with the best intentions I am sure clearly have become part of the problem.
 
wuliheron said:
Dirt bags with serious addictions can't afford their habits on welfare alone and usually get caught eventually anyway. If necessary such people will resort to crime to support their habits and spending 30k a year to keep them in jail is not cheaper then welfare. I'd be really surprised if this legislation saves the taxpayer any money. For the most part it sounds like another political ploy to distract the easily-distracted from the real issues.

What would save taxpayers money is cracking down on employers hiring people under the table. California alone estimates they have 2 million people working under the table including welfare recipients, illegal aliens, and fathers avoiding paying child support. Typically their employers save as much in taxes as they actually pay in wages and, of course, their practice drives down wages forcing more people to use food stamps and welfare.
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Absolutely. This is a much more egregious abuse of the system IMO. Aside from the "perks" for the employers, you can still make a pretty good wage under the table depending on what you do. Imagine how much extra play money you would have if you didnt have to pay for rent/mortgage or groceries.
 
Nothing wrong with drug testing. Every job I have had in the last 30 years, I have had to get a drug test. My only complaint is they only drug test at time of employment and not every year or at random times. I think they should test for Alcohol as well. If you got money for booze you dont need any welfare.
 
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Whoozyerdaddy said:
I addressed that. You didn't read my entire post. I know it's long, but don't try to explain something to me that I've already addressed. Read the 4th paragraph from the bottom. Then get back to me.

Actually read my entire post in the context of the post I was quoting. You're taking me out of context here. Don't do that. I started out addressing Spidey's overall distaste and broad brushing of welfare recipiants. I made it clear that my mom wasn't a drug user. I wasn't addressing that topic until later in my post.

Fucking learn how to read.
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I've already said this before, it's a humanitarian and financial disaster. I'm not sure what the right answer is. Identify them and force them into a program? That'll work. 🙄 Boot them from the rolls? What if they have kids. And even the ones who don't have kids, what about them? They get booted and you think you're done because you're no longer funding their drug habit? Right, until they break into someone's house to steal for their habit. Then what? Jail? At $40k a year to house them? Suddenly forking out $20k/yr in welfare to keep them stoned and fed seems like a bargain.
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this paragraph?


Not everyone who uses drugs will turn violent without funding. Weed doesnt get you crazy like meth or coke.

Most people in that situation would have to weigh in either weed vs food, and food will win every time.
 
Yreka said:
Absolutely. This is a much more egregious abuse of the system IMO. Aside from the "perks" for the employers, you can still make a pretty good wage under the table depending on what you do. Imagine how much extra play money you would have if you didnt have to pay for rent/mortgage or groceries.
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Or taxes! The politicians on both sides of the aisle support the business owners who hire people under the table in return for campaign contributions and a growing economy. Then they use issues like this to promote the idea that they are getting tough on entitlements and crime while continuing to milk the middle class to pay for the whole thing. Its a no-brainer for politicians who want plausible deniability and any excuse to rouse the base.
 
Ape said:
You pay into SS, Farm Aid is private and has no such rules, welfare is a hand out funded by the tax payers, provided by the government and then handed out to people who haven't contributed a penny to the program. And since Welfare is an optional program, they are not being forced to drug test. They chose not to test then they are opting out of the optional hand out program.
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:thumbsup:
 
America, fuck yeah!! All those black poor people should die in the streets!!! Drug addiction? Heh. I was able to avoid drugs with my privileged, middle class upbringing; why can't these deadbeats do it?
 
Portly Penguin said:
America, fuck yeah!! All those black poor people should die in the streets!!! Drug addiction? Heh. I was able to avoid drugs with my privileged, middle class upbringing; why can't these deadbeats do it?
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I can only assume you hand over whatever you have in your wallet when you pass the drunk guy on the street asking for money?
 
Portly Penguin said:
America, fuck yeah!! All those black poor people should die in the streets!!! Drug addiction? Heh. I was able to avoid drugs with my privileged, middle class upbringing; why can't these deadbeats do it?
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Actually, there is more drug use among the middle class then the poor. Its just that the poor are more likely to become addicted. In general they have more mental health issues, problems with violence, and a general lack of hope or alternatives available.
 
Fear No Evil said:
I can only assume you hand over whatever you have in your wallet when you pass the drunk guy on the street asking for money?
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No, but if people want to go after criminals that are driving the country into bankruptcy these are the wrong people to be focusing on.
 
is this in response to a real problem backed up by data, or a knee-jerk reaction based on an ignorant assumption from some ultra-righty nutjobs?
 
Portly Penguin said:
America, fuck yeah!! All those black poor people should die in the streets!!! Drug addiction? Heh. I was able to avoid drugs with my privileged, middle class upbringing; why can't these deadbeats do it?
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lol you don't know much about that world then...go to newport beach any friday night and see all those privileged kids tweaking or whatever you call it these days. They just go legal as adults with 40 pill bottles on medicine cabinet like el Rushbo.
 
Ape said:
Yep, you are claiming that now that they want to drug test welfare recipients that some how that is opening the door to drug testing for Drivers License, to Vote, and anything else where your Life comes into contact with the Government. Yep, classic fear mongering.

I am just wondering where I was doing it?
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I've got bad news for you. You ARE subject to drug testing for certain classes of drivers licenses.
 
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