Florida Gov Scott signs bill forcing welfare drug tests

[Ape]

Fear mongering? Your own post shows you're well on your way there already. Congrats?

Yep, you are claiming that now that they want to drug test welfare recipients that some how that is opening the door to drug testing for Drivers License, to Vote, and anything else where your Life comes into contact with the Government. Yep, classic fear mongering.

I am just wondering where I was doing it?

 

[Ape]

Oops, wrong thread.

 

[sandorski]

Yep, you are claiming that now that they want to drug test welfare recipients that some how that is opening the door to drug testing for Drivers License, to Vote, and anything else where your Life comes into contact with the Government. Yep, classic fear mongering.

I am just wondering where I was doing it?

Enjoy the ride, I guess. Perhaps you'll realize the fail in such policy before it's too late.

 

[Ape]

Enjoy the ride, I guess. Perhaps you'll realize the fail in such policy before it's too late.

Can you, since it appears you have more in site into this subject than I do, fill me in on how this policy is bad?

Oh, and how was I fear mongering again, I missed your explanation.

 

[Nebor]

Yay Police State. Next you'll need one to get a Drivers License, to Vote, and anything else where your Life comes into contact with the Government.

Horrible idea, this is.

If we're going to continue to pursue a policy that makes drugs prohibited in our society, then we need to enforce that policy. I think a drug test for drivers licenses, voting, concealed handgun licenses, state bar exams, etc. would be a great idea. Like you said, anything that involves you coming into contact with the government. Of course private companies should be able to drug test too.

 

[xj0hnx]

If we're going to continue to pursue a policy that makes drugs prohibited in our society, then we need to enforce that policy. I think a drug test for drivers licenses, voting, concealed handgun licenses, state bar exams, etc. would be a great idea. Like you said, anything that involves you coming into contact with the government. Of course private companies should be able to drug test too.

We should also test for alcohol, cigarettes, and cheeseburgers.

 

[sandorski]

Can you, since it appears you have more in site into this subject than I do, fill me in on how this policy is bad?

Oh, and how was I fear mongering again, I missed your explanation.

How much do you value Freedom?

 

[Darwin333]

Yay Police State. Next you'll need one to get a Drivers License, to Vote, and anything else where your Life comes into contact with the Government.

Horrible idea, this is.

Fuck em. Maybe it will get enough people pissed about the current situation to do something about it. The rest of us have to take a drug test to pay the tab then they can take one to get the fruits of our labor.

 

[Darwin333]

How much do you value Freedom?

Perhaps the people receiving welfare will start to value my freedom a bit due to this... I sure haven't heard many people bitching that I, due mostly to .gov programs, must take a drug test for employment.

I also think the fuckwads in Congress should be required to submit to a drug test before every vote they cast (no more than once a day to keep costs down).

 

[OCGuy]

Good.

 

[sandorski]

Perhaps the people receiving welfare will start to value my freedom a bit due to this... I sure haven't heard many people bitching that I, due mostly to .gov programs, must take a drug test for employment.

I also think the fuckwads in Congress should be required to submit to a drug test before every vote they cast (no more than once a day to keep costs down).

Do something about it.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

So I haven't seen this question yet...

Most welfare cases involve kids. What happens when the recipiant tests positive? They just get cut off? The kids starve? Become a ward of the state? Get placed in foster care?

All this "America Fuck Yeah! Cut off the deadbeats!!!" seem to miss the point here. I'm all for a better system with tighter controls but how is this thing really going to play out?

 

[manimal]

Sounds unconstitutional - equal treatment and all that. Why welfare and not SS or disability or farm aid etc etc etc?

Excellent point. I am sure some of you would have a different position if it was say mandatory drug tests to get a mortgage tax credit.

its a handout after all as well..

 

[Via]

Who's going to pay for all of these tests, and who's going to profit from them?

 

[Ape]

How much do you value Freedom?

Tons, and since Welfare isn't a mandatory program those who don't want to participate don't have to. I think they call that freedom. Freedom to chose, freedom to take a hand out, freedom to not. Now, if welfare was mandatory and so was the testing I would agree but it isn't so I don't.

Not that is out of the way are you going to answer of not.

 

[spidey07]

Funny thing is what allows states to do this was enacted by Clinton in the welfare reform so liberals heads should be exploding.

 

[Ape]

So I haven't seen this question yet...

Most welfare cases involve kids. What happens when the recipient tests positive? They just get cut off? The kids starve? Become a ward of the state? Get placed in foster care?

All this "America Fuck Yeah! Cut off the deadbeats!!!" seem to miss the point here. I'm all for a better system with tighter controls but how is this thing really going to play out?

So you would rather have those kids in homes with junkie well fare recipients?

 

[sandorski]

Tons, and since Welfare isn't a mandatory program those who don't want to participate don't have to. I think they call that freedom. Freedom to chose, freedom to take a hand out, freedom to not. Now, if welfare was mandatory and so was the testing I would agree but it isn't so I don't.

Not that is out of the way are you going to answer of not.

Tons eh? I'm not seeing it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Do something about it.

He can do something. He can not take the job.

Ok here's an alternative. People who are able to do some kind of work have to in order to get a check. Only if the job entails responsibilities where impairment could in disaster would they be tested.

 

[xj0hnx]

So you would rather have those kids in homes with junkie well fare recipients?

Ward of the state, in and out of foster homes, raised by druggie parents ...there's a difference in the outcome?

 

[sactoking]

It's an awesome idea but what do you think the chances of the obama administration NOT suing the state of florida for infringing on the "rights" of people to get free money from folks that actually work?

I think the odds of them not suing are pretty high. When TANF was created by PRWORA in 1997 it was explicitly created as a broad block grant program. The Federal gov't retained the right to enact rules for very specific items relating to caseloads but waived all right to enforce provisions limiting State flexibility in determining the design of the program, establishing benefits, establishing eligibility, etc.

Basically, Congress gave the States a chunk of money to do with as they please and so long as it's being used for 'welfare' the Fed can't say much about it.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

So you would rather have those kids in homes with junkie well fare recipients?

I never said that. I'm asking what the plan is for when this happens... because it's going to happen a lot.

 

[Ape]

Ward of the state, in and out of foster homes, raised by druggie parents ...there's a difference in the outcome?

Hard to say, I guess in the end it's crappy either way. At least with the foster/adoption side they are given a new opportunity to succeed, maybe.

If those said parents are that bad then it's up to either other family members (if there is any), local charities, the state to step in and do what is right for the kids. Well IMO anyway.

 

[Ape]

Tons eh? I'm not seeing it.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Ape]

I never said that. I'm asking what the plan is for when this happens... because it's going to happen a lot.

I didn't say you did say that. It's either state or druggie unless there is another option I am missing.