[fixed] Dragon Age 2 Low Performance on Nvidia Cards [fixed]

[3DVagabond]

"Nvidia sucks" thread. Correct me if I am wrong.

Never mind. I haven't been able to communicate with you to this point. I have no faith in my ability to do so by continuing on. Have a nice day.

 

[Grooveriding]

Never mind. I haven't been able to communicate with you to this point. I have no faith in my ability to do so by continuing on. Have a nice day.

:thumbsup:

 

[apoppin]

Never mind. I haven't been able to communicate with you to this point. I have no faith in my ability to do so by continuing on. Have a nice day.

Don't you guys have any (other) games to play?

:whiste:

 

[happy medium]

I do. Key tried his best to toward opinions/problems they have to Nvidia. What else do people expect? Where is the thank? Do people think Keys got 10k a month for doing that?

Interestingly, many ain't looking for a solution, but an opportunity to bash Nvidia. When SC2 came out, all AMD cards doesn't support AA. Instead of bashing AMD's incapability to release a driver in time, they accuse Nvidia for blocking AMD from using AA (search here in this forum.) Now DA2 came out and all Fermi based card experience high tax while running the game that never happened in any other Dx11 games before. They accuse Nvidia for their incapability to release a driver in time. Funny how they believed that the game is glitch free just because 6990 + its latest driver rocks it hard.

Mind you that AMD users can't even run the game without the latest driver. Ninja code before the game release as they have exclusive access? Non-standard API calls? Dx11 bugs? Were those possability mentioned here? No, just plain Nvidia suck posts.

Seriously, we have keys who tries to get a solution for people, then we have others who basically saids nothing but "Nvidia sucks".

Where is the taunt? We have lots of sad Nvidia owners who can't get a reasonable FPS, but all they get in this thread by those Nvidia hater is "Nvidia sucks" and how they have a friend who owns a 6990 rocks and link images indicating that 6990 rocks. Help? Nope. Trolling? Big time. Intimadating to those who tries very hard to get solutions for people who he doesn't know, passing inforation to from mute to deafs? Big time.

Welcome to our forum. I feel your pain, but no one listens.

 

[RussianSensation]

Groove, although yes, i think most people can easily place themselves in your shoes and understand your frustration with Nvidia drivers.

Then there is Solofly, who used AMD cards exclusively for many many years and eventually just got fed up and went NV all the way. We simply cannot say with certainty if the problem is in fact related to NV's drivers or other factors.

A few points:

1) Certain games will always run faster on a particular GPU architecture regardless of drivers. This is why it is recommended that the consumer researches the games he or she actually plays/intends to play before buying a particular card. I remember my HD4890 was much slower than a GTX260 216 in Far Cry 2 but more or less beat it in 90% of other games. HD5870 addressed that problem with higher performance and FC2 is no longer an AMD sore spot.

Even today where more or less a single HD4890 ~ GTX275, I can find at least 1 game where NV's GTX275 woops the crap out of my 4890. How about Black Ops? 78% performance advantage for GTX275 over a 4890. Oh wait a second, so that means AMD's drivers are horrible...? Then how can an HD4890 outperform a GTX275 by 58% in Civilization 5? Oh wait, I know the answer to this one folks....NV's drivers are horrible.

The ability to jump to conclusions based on lack of concrete evidence is simply human nature when we cannot explain the reason for a certain outcome. This in itself doesn't suddenly make my assertions about drivers from either firm accurate if I were to simply pick 1 game in the GTX275 vs. 4890 example.

2) Obviously, it makes it difficult to predict how either camp's cards will perform in future games which haven't been tested at the time you make your own purchase. However, I will say that although NV doesn't perform well in this game at the moment, AMD doesn't perform well in Lost Planet 2, Borderlands, Civilization 5 or in Mafia II with PhysX when comparing say a GTX570 to an HD6970. So at the end of the day, that's life. You win some, you lose some (like my GTX470 loses badly to HD5870 in Crysis but beats it in Lost Planet 2 without problems).

3) I would seriously wait for 1-2 driver releases and a possible patch from the developers before jumping to any conclusions about NV's hardware or its software drivers. There is no reason at all that a Tri-SLI GTX480 system would not be as fast as a single HD6970 in this game.

 

[3DVagabond]

Don't you guys have any (other) games to play?

:whiste:

It's been dropped for a few hours now.

 

[badb0y]

Obviously driver issues exist on both sides but I can't believe some of the childish things being thrown around here like telling Groove to sell his setup on ebay and such. It's quite obvious he was looking forward to the game, and when it didn't work as he wanted it to he got frustrated, it's a normal reaction. He doesn't have 3 GTX 480's to keep him warm, he wants to crank the settings and get good FPS so I find it normal for him to vent a little here.

 

[RussianSensation]

Obviously driver issues exist on both sides but I can't believe some of the childish things being thrown around here like telling Groove to sell his setup on ebay and such. It's quite obvious he was looking forward to the game, and when it didn't work as he wanted it to he got frustrated, it's a normal reaction. He doesn't have 3 GTX 480's to keep him warm, he wants to crank the settings and get good FPS so I find it normal for him to vent a little here.

Yes, that's definitely fair. However, let's say in 3 weeks the game's performance increases 3x due to a patch. Then, the fault is entirely Bioware's, no? So doesn't it make sense to then express your frustration towards inadequate beta testing during development? It could still be drivers, but I am just providing other possible explanations.

Did anyone with an NV card actually test the game in DX11 with Ambient Occlusion and Depth of Field OFF as recommended? At the very least we can try to isolate the issue by turning off these higher graphical features 1 by 1.

 

[happy medium]

Then there is (BANNED) Solofly, who used AMD cards exclusively for many many years and eventually just got fed up and went NV all the way

See the pattern here?


This happends from time to time, What was the last game that didn't work at release?
It will be fixed with the next beta driver ,unless its the game developers fault and they need to patch it.

 

[footballrunner800]

I hate all the marketing that Nvidia does in these forums and that has been one of the reasons for buying amd hardware. To me it seems that some of us have taken this too far and act as AMD's protectors. Groove, you're acting just like Happy just on the opposite camp. I can see why keys is getting annoyed. Its making a big deal of something that will not be an issue in a week. I bet that if it involved AMD everyone would be on opposite sides defending their hardware. UGGHh..

On topic, we should be trying thing like different settings/drivers and testing them to see what works best. Im going to finish DA1 before i give this game a try.

 

[badb0y]

See the pattern here?


This happends from time to time, What was the last game that didn't work at release?
It will be fixed with the next beta driver ,unless its the game developers fault and they need to patch it.

Solofly got banned? Wow, how did I miss this?

Yes, that's definitely fair. However, let's say in 3 weeks the game's performance increases 3x due to a patch. Then, the fault is entirely Bioware's, no? So doesn't it make sense to then express your frustration towards inadequate beta testing during development? It could still be drivers, but I am just providing other possible explanations.

Did anyone with an NV card actually test the game in DX11 with Ambient Occlusion and Depth of Field OFF as recommended? At the very least we can try to isolate the issue by turning off these higher graphical features 1 by 1.

See, that's another thing, was nVidia completely kept in the dark by Bioware? Did they not test the game before release? Or did AMD actually take the extra step and fine tune the game more than nVidia did?

It would be weird if Bioware just shut nVidia out from testing the game. Anyways both companies stumble like this, it's normal but I think people should have a right to voice their opinion especially if they actually own the hardware being affected.

 

[Skurge]

Solofly got banned? Wow, how did I miss this?

See, that's another thing, was nVidia completely kept in the dark by Bioware? Did they not test the game before release? Or did AMD actually take the extra step and fine tune the game more than nVidia did?

It would be weird if Bioware just shut nVidia out from testing the game. Anyways both companies stumble like this, it's normal but I think people should have a right to voice their opinion especially if they actually own the hardware being affected.

I'm sure you know what happy's "see a pattern here" comment meant.


So its just DX11 that works poorly on Nv cards?

If thats the case then maybe bioware weren't planning on implementing it, but then AMD came along with DX11 + texture pack and nVidia just weren't expecting that and were caught ball watching.

 

[Obsoleet]

I'd just like to note that I *really* hope the last few remaining folks who don't believe AMD drivers are not superior to Nvidia are now finally believing (or in reality, just admitting).

That said, I do hope NV gets this straightened out, being a PC gaming fan after all, don't wish ill on anyone even those stuck using a Geforce.

 

[Annisman*]

I've bought/used 5 ATI cards and 8 Nvidia cards in my 6 or so years of being a hardcore PC gamer, and I have YET to find any reason to stick with one camp exclusively over the other.

I have had my shares of likes and dislikes from both driver sets, hardware, and cooling implimentations.

BUT GUESS WHAT GUYS, us PC gamers can do a little something called configuring our setups however we want, something consoles will never allow.

When my 8800GTX was getting way too hot, I bought an after-market cooler.

When my 4870X2 wasn't enough, I bought a 48701GB for Tri-Fire... and the list goes on and on.

Yes, we get it, some of you guys love Nvidia or ATI, but this isn't console wars, it's not black and white.

 

[alcoholbob]

AA has a huge hit in performance in this game I noticed. From 8xAA to 0xAA performance rose about 30%.

The game doesn't implement AA very well anyway, the texture crawl is almost as bad on 8x as it is with it off.

Even in Crossfire 6970s I found that AA gives unplayable performance in many sections of the game, especially cutscenes where there is dynamic lighting in the background.

So I turned off AA. You still get 99.99% of the eye-candy and you should get a significant boost in performance.

 

[Qbah]

AA has a huge hit in performance in this game I noticed. From 8xAA to 0xAA performance rose about 30%.

The game doesn't implement AA very well anyway, the texture crawl is almost as bad on 8x as it is with it off.

Even in Crossfire 6970s I found that AA gives unplayable performance in many sections of the game, especially cutscenes where there is dynamic lighting in the background.

So I turned off AA. You still get 99.99% of the eye-candy and you should get a significant boost in performance.

For me the jump in IQ from AAx0 to AAx4 was VERY noticeable. I can't see myself playing this game without AA.

The game plays acceptably well for me all maxed, 1920x1080, AAx4 AFx16, looks great too. Let's hope the performance issues can be resolved for the green team, so they can also enjoy the game

 

[Spike]

Man people are angry here. I remember when nVidia drivers blue screened my Vista install. I remember when ATI drivers did the same a few months later... driver issues happen.

I really hope this is a driver problem and not something developer related so that it can be fixed relatively quickly. nVidia is not the most consistent when it comes to general driver releases but they seem to be faster than AMD on releasing fixes for popular games.

All that being said I have no intention of buying the game and I'm using an AMD card currently. I really wish they had not changed so much about the game. I'll go back to F:NV and BC:2 while I wait for BF:3 and ES V. (or is it VI now?)

 

[Aristotelian]

Groover I could have sworn that I just informed the participants of this thread that driver improvements for this game are on the way?
I was just wondering what the taunting is all about?

I don't know if this is taunting. I've remained silent because my point of view has been clearly expressed, but that a brand new game runs fine on a card that is more than a year old (5970) but crawls on 580 SLI is of course annoying. Think back to the AA support for AMD users in SC II. Plenty of people were upset about it, and plenty of Nvidia fans seized that opportunity to make it seem like Nvidia cards are the only way forward.

It is moments like these (and threads like these) that put the situation into perspective. Both companies have driver issues at times, quirks in game performance at times, and they are typically fixed at some point.

I

 

[GaiaHunter]

See the pattern here?

Are you saying Grooveriding should be banned because he made a thread pointing problems with is GTX480 (and multiples of it) in 1 game?

Are you comparing a guy that makes a thread when he is pissed with 1 game not working properly (with or without AA) with a guy that kept spamming threads left and right?

The thread seemed kinda civil.

Then comes the physX comment!

"Look you can't play DA:II but you have physx!"

Civil again.

Then "shut up Groov!" post.



Sincerely this just shows how having access to the game code earlier allows you to have that initial performance advantage - generally it is NVIDIA having that advantage and AMD catching up in the following months.

Although I'm a bit surprised the performance difference is so big.

I'm sure that sooner or later the game performance will be fine on NVIDIA cards.

 

[Aristotelian]

Interestingly, many ain't looking for a solution, but an opportunity to bash Nvidia. When SC2 came out, all AMD cards doesn't support AA. Instead of bashing AMD's incapability to release a driver in time, they accuse Nvidia for blocking AMD from using AA (search here in this forum.)

What's interesting is that your recollection of that period is far from what was actually happening. As soon as it was noted that AMD cards didn't support AA in SC2 in the first few days of release, the conclusion arrived at was that AMD's cards weren't worth purchasing. AMD was bashed continually over it in many threads, until a fix was released. You're misremembering the game in question. That's what's interesting here.

 

[Skurge]

What's interesting is that your recollection of that period is far from what was actually happening. As soon as it was noted that AMD cards didn't support AA in SC2 in the first few days of release, the conclusion arrived at was that AMD's cards weren't worth purchasing. AMD was bashed continually over it in many threads, until a fix was released. You're misremembering the game in question. That's what's interesting here.

Yes, with the usual comments like "AMD is a status qou company", "They don't do anything for gaming", "they are lazy" etc.

 

[Keysplayr]

I appreciate your sentiments. No offense to you, but this is not worth the energy of going down with.

The thread is about nvidia's issues with Dragon Age 2 and poor performance. Not the past however many posts otherwise.

I'm not opening up an esoteric conversation of the good done in this thread or itemizing behaviors of forum members that will do nothing more than incur breaking the forum rules and having to make negative statements about some of our members.


The thread is about nvidia's issues with Dragon Age 2 and poor performance.

Positive reinforcement of other members is encouraged as evidenced by moderators.

 

[ArchAngel777]

The guys at work keeping talking about how great this game is. I had no intentions of picking it up until the price comes down to something reasonable ($20-$25) but all their tralk about it has me wanting to purchase it. Problem is I, like others, want to run games with everything maxed out. I am not sure my 460 GTX will handle this game. I know I can run it in DX9 mode, but... Meh. Still not the end of the world.

But as I stated earlier, does nVidia have any type of release date in mind for the fix? I work closely with our development here, and I know that fixes typically do not come overnight. But a ball park figure would be nice (1 week, 2 weeks, were not sure yet, because we cannot find the issue, etc...) So Keys, if possible, can you find out if we have a projected date for the fix.

 

[notty22]

I would think max out dx9 with the high rez pack will be as satisfying as running the game in DX11 especially if you can't do both. DX11 and hi res pack. I don't have the game, so I don't know if you can config these ways.

 

[ArchAngel777]

I would think max out dx9 with the high rez pack will be as satisfying as running the game in DX11 especially if you can't do both. DX11 and hi res pack. I don't have the game, so I don't know if you can config these ways.

This is very informative. I did not know that you can run the high rez texture pack with DX9. I thought they were both included. So, knowing this, I think the issue is less severe than I had thought.